Trump to back ceding of Ukrainian territory to Russia as part of peace deal

Trump TACO’d out on twisting arms over Russian gas and oil.

He dropped that threat last week, giving Putin a victory befor he even got on the plane.
That's not true India will stop buying oil from Russia and so will Europe... India is Russia's second biggest customer behind China... why do you think Putin asked for this meeting?... You folks need to turn off hate Trump news....
 
Is this an example of "American leadership" you endorse?
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Ukraine crisis: Transcript of leaked Nuland-Pyatt call

"Nuland: [Breaks in] I think Yats is the guy who's got the economic experience, the governing experience. He's the... what he needs is Klitsch and Tyahnybok on the outside. He needs to be talking to them four times a week, you know. I just think Klitsch going in... he's going to be at that level working for Yatseniuk, it's just not going to work.

"Pyatt: Yeah, no, I think that's right. OK. Good. Do you want us to set up a call with him as the next step?"

After the ham fisted attempts by Moscow to prop up and install Yanokovich provoked this American response.

your point is hypocritical.
 
Fool me once….

Show me a deal where Ukraines interests are taken care of an Putin has to make some sacrifices and I will give him credit.
The current deal which is basically the same as the deal 3 years ago. You and all the other war mongers don’t have the Ukrainians interests in mind at all. Remember let the Ukrainians fight and weaken the Russians with their people. They are fighting them so we won’t have to we were told. The Russian economy will crater in a month was the talking point. Just hold on and any day now the Russians will have to pull out. That was 3 years ago. For those keeping score. The Ruble is worth the same today ot was worth prior to the sanctions.
Putin is demanding more Ukranian territory than they currently occupy.
Yeah they currently occupy 95+% of Donesk and Luhansk. They want to trade the areas they occupy outside those areas for the remainder of those 2 regions. It’s not the deal Ukraine might want or is even fair or just but it’s the best deal they are likely to get.
The Russians are not going to “overtake Europe”. That is a Trumpster straw man argument.

But they will use the successful invasion and eventual conquest of Ukraine as a launching point for intimidating the Eastern European states into the Russian orbit.
All those non NATO Eastern European countries? Which ones might those be?
Putin has said so.

You Putin stooges are peddling your own straw man arguments because you have no defense for your beloved Trump’s betrayal.

Living in the real world doesn’t equate to being a Russian advocate.
 
Celia offers to tick off dear Uncle Pooters and demand he return land he has conquered .

But your plan to hand him a poisoned apple pie is not original Celia .

I plan to greet him on the Potemkin Stairs when he and his brave boys take over thre Nazi stronghold of Odessa ,
The word "leak" is code for democrats made it up.
 
The current deal which is basically the same as the deal 3 years ago. Yeah they currently occupy 95+% of Donesk and Luhansk. They want to trade the areas they occupy outside those areas for the remainder of those 2 regions. It’s not the deal Ukraine might want or is even fair or just but it’s the best deal they are likely to get.
I think it's fair and actually, that's pretty much all Russia ever wanted in the first place and given the situation today I think we can say that Putin played his cards very, very well. I don't know if he's a chess master but it could be.
You and all the other war mongers don’t have the Ukrainians interests in mind at all.
Of course not.
Remember let the Ukrainians fight and weaken the Russians with their people. They are fighting them so we won’t have to we were told. The Russian economy will crater in a month was the talking point. Just hold on and any day now the Russians will have to pull out.
That's MIC crap verbatim. You know it and I know it but the dumbed-down Yankees and EUs have their heads stuck deeply into the MSM's ass. I meet them every single day. "Putin is a this and Putin is a that ..... and he's bent on taking over the whole world! Just look at how close to NATO he puts his country!"
For those keeping score. The Ruble is worth the same today ot was worth prior to the sanctions.
The word on the street is that the Ruble has increased in worth against the dollar.
Living in the real world doesn’t equate to being a Russian advocate.
:eusa_clap:
 
The UK alone is not up to the task of taking on Russia. Not conventionally at least.
Whereas unconventionally it's up to, right? With their two and a half submarines and a *** for a captatin? The only thing the West is up to is flapping their mouths, similar to what most of the nincompups are doing here pumped up with the imaginary grandeur of the western so called civilisation.
 
“Details of post-summit call were leaked in which US president supports plan for Kyiv to give up Donbas region

Donald Trump will back a plan to cede unoccupied Ukrainian territory to Russia to secure an end to the war between the two countries, it was reported on Saturday, after details of his post-summit call with European leaders leaked out.

Trump told European leaders that he believed a peace deal could be negotiated if the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, agreed to give up the Donbas region, which Russian invaders have not been able to seize in over three years of fighting, the New York Times reported, citing to two senior European officials.

Two sources with direct knowledge of the talks in Alaska told the Guardian that Putin demanded Ukraine withdraw from Donbas, which is made up of the Donestk and Luhansk regions, as a condition for ending the war, but offered Trump a freeze along the remaining frontline.”


That Trump would stab Zelenskyy in the back comes as no surprise, of course, and reward the war criminal Putin.

Trump is also messaging to his fellow despots and dictators that might makes right, that war criminals who lawlessly invade sovereign countries will likewise be rewarded for their criminal acts.
What the hell, is this a leak from Schiff?

How about we implement the Democrats plan. Wait, they have no plan, they just want to whine.
 
After the ham fisted attempts by Moscow to prop up and install Yanokovich provoked this American response.

your point is hypocritical.
Moron, Yanukovich had been a ruling president for three years by that time.
 
“Details of post-summit call were leaked in which US president supports plan for Kyiv to give up Donbas region

Donald Trump will back a plan to cede unoccupied Ukrainian territory to Russia to secure an end to the war between the two countries, it was reported on Saturday, after details of his post-summit call with European leaders leaked out.

Trump told European leaders that he believed a peace deal could be negotiated if the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, agreed to give up the Donbas region, which Russian invaders have not been able to seize in over three years of fighting, the New York Times reported, citing to two senior European officials.

Two sources with direct knowledge of the talks in Alaska told the Guardian that Putin demanded Ukraine withdraw from Donbas, which is made up of the Donestk and Luhansk regions, as a condition for ending the war, but offered Trump a freeze along the remaining frontline.”


That Trump would stab Zelenskyy in the back comes as no surprise, of course, and reward the war criminal Putin.

Trump is also messaging to his fellow despots and dictators that might makes right, that war criminals who lawlessly invade sovereign countries will likewise be rewarded for their criminal acts.
In other words exactly what I said should had happened years ago: Give back the ethnic Russian lands to Russia.

The borders of Ukraine were drawn up by Bolshevik communists during the USSR. There is zero reason to honor it.

Russia only accepted Ukraine keeping those lands in their borders after the fall of the USSR if and only if Ukraine promised to lease Crimea to Russia, which Ukraine reneged on after the coup of 2014. And also if and only if Ukraine stayed out of NATO. Another promise broken by Biden.


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Just a reminder, here is a map of Europe in 1900, before the Bolsheviks fucked everything up:

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No, it was trump who went right to negotiate with the Taliban, sidelining the Afghan government we had been propping up for over 20 years.
Correct and got a plan that the Afghan govt and UN signed off on

And it was xiden who ignored it and surrendered
 
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“Details of post-summit call were leaked in which US president supports plan for Kyiv to give up Donbas region

Donald Trump will back a plan to cede unoccupied Ukrainian territory to Russia to secure an end to the war between the two countries, it was reported on Saturday, after details of his post-summit call with European leaders leaked out.

Trump told European leaders that he believed a peace deal could be negotiated if the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, agreed to give up the Donbas region, which Russian invaders have not been able to seize in over three years of fighting, the New York Times reported, citing to two senior European officials.

Two sources with direct knowledge of the talks in Alaska told the Guardian that Putin demanded Ukraine withdraw from Donbas, which is made up of the Donestk and Luhansk regions, as a condition for ending the war, but offered Trump a freeze along the remaining frontline.”


That Trump would stab Zelenskyy in the back comes as no surprise, of course, and reward the war criminal Putin.

Trump is also messaging to his fellow despots and dictators that might makes right, that war criminals who lawlessly invade sovereign countries will likewise be rewarded for their criminal acts.
As expected, the degenerate has bent over for the war criminal.

Before his meeting with Putin, Trump said he would be angry if the Russian leader did not agree to a ceasefire in Anchorage, while European leaders who spoke to Trump prior to the summit said he agreed he would not negotiate territorial concessions with Putin.

Trump caved on both counts.

Meanwhile, the American people and European democracies stand firm.

54.3% of Americans had already disapproved of Trump's handling of Ukraine, and only 38.4% had disapproved before Trump's surrender to Putin.

 
so what do you think should happen ? Putin's already taken 20% of Ukraine .. keep the war going until he takes it all ?
Insist that any peace deal starts with redrawing the map to pre Russian invasion lines or we keep helping Ukraine defend itself.
 
Insist that any peace deal starts with redrawing the map to pre Russian invasion lines or we keep helping Ukraine defend itself.

Ukraine is losing that war, and support for it in Ukraine has cratered.
 
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