Trump to back ceding of Ukrainian territory to Russia as part of peace deal

[rightwinger]

What, she was going to give him the "Hauk Tua" ulitimatum?

It was Trump giving Putin a BJ for three hours

 

[georgephillip]

After the ham fisted attempts by Moscow to prop up and install Yanokovich provoked this American response.

your point is hypocritical.

Who do you blame for Operation Red Sox, Moscow or the CIA?

https://www.politico.com/news/magaz...on-ukrainian-independence-haunts-cia-00029968

"In late 1949, a series of unmarked flights began launching from central Europe. Gargantuan C-47s, flown by Hungarian or Czech pilots, barreled toward Turkey, and then turned north over the Black Sea, evading radar by flying barely above the ground.

"As the planes flew over Lviv a string of parachutes opened, a handful of commandos tumbling into the sky over Soviet Ukraine.

"On the ground, they linked up with Ukrainian resistance fighters trying to beat back Soviet expansionism."

American meddling on Russian borders has gone on pretty much uninterrupted since 1945. I find it beyond hypocritical when those who support "good guys" like the CIA condemn Russia for defending its borders.

 

[TimFitz]

Trump TACO’d out on twisting arms over Russian gas and oil.

He dropped that threat last week, giving Putin a victory befor he even got on the plane.

That's not true India will stop buying oil from Russia and so will Europe... India is Russia's second biggest customer behind China... why do you think Putin asked for this meeting?... You folks need to turn off hate Trump news....

It is true, and you know it.

Trump withdrew that threat,

Since it was only a week ago, and was widely reported, the only conclusion available is that you’re either a Russian troll or a Trump stooge.

Either way, you are obviously lying.

 

[Billiejeens]

I had a dream Friday night in which the A L I E N S were on Earth but had promised not to eat us. They seemed pleasant enough and a couple of them went to the opera. The metaphor: I think they were Putin's people.

Which opera did they see?

 

[GLASNOST]

I had a dream Friday night in which the A L I E N S were on Earth but had promised not to eat us. They seemed pleasant enough and a couple of them went to the opera.

Which opera did they see?

"Rocky Horror Picture Show"

 

[TimFitz]

Who do you blame for Operation Red Sox, Moscow or the CIA?

https://www.politico.com/news/magaz...on-ukrainian-independence-haunts-cia-00029968

"In late 1949, a series of unmarked flights began launching from central Europe. Gargantuan C-47s, flown by Hungarian or Czech pilots, barreled toward Turkey, and then turned north over the Black Sea, evading radar by flying barely above the ground.

"As the planes flew over Lviv a string of parachutes opened, a handful of commandos tumbling into the sky over Soviet Ukraine.

"On the ground, they linked up with Ukrainian resistance fighters trying to beat back Soviet expansionism."

American meddling on Russian borders has gone on pretty much uninterrupted since 1945. I find it beyond hypocritical when those who support "good guys" like the CIA condemn Russia for defending its borders.

Carrying the Russian line?

You conveniently forgot to mention that the Russians had already installed governments in Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Ygoslavia, Albania, Romania, Bulgaria, Finland, Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania.

They were actively working on Greece, and were openly supporting Communist parties in France and Italy.

They had used their intelligence services to steal American atomic secrets, and were reverse engineering the B-29.

you also conveniently forgot to mention that there was an active] civil war going on in Ukraine. This war had been going on since 1945, as Ukranians turned from fighting Nazis to fighting the Red Army.

Just a few minor details you conveniently left out,

 

[TimFitz]

It was Trump giving Putin a BJ for three hours

must be why they cancelled lunch.

 

[Darkwind]

Whereas unconventionally it's up to, right? With their two and a half submarines and a *** for a captatin? The only thing the West is up to is flapping their mouths, similar to what most of the nincompups are doing here pumped up with the imaginary grandeur of the western so called civilisation.

I wholly disagree. The US just came out of a 22 year hot war. Our military is as lethal as it has ever been.

 

[GLASNOST]

I wholly disagree. The US just came out of a 22 year hot war. Our military is as lethal as it has ever been.

Yep, that's what the DEI says!

 

[Thinker101]

Whereas unconventionally it's up to, right? With their two and a half submarines and a *** for a captatin? The only thing the West is up to is flapping their mouths, similar to what most of the nincompups are doing here pumped up with the imaginary grandeur of the western so called civilisation.

Well, next time you need assistance, leave a message at the beep. We'll mull it over.

 

[TimFitz]

The current deal which is basically the same as the deal 3 years ago. You and all the other war mongers don’t have the Ukrainians interests in mind at all. Remember let the Ukrainians fight and weaken the Russians with their people. They are fighting them so we won’t have to we were told. The Russian economy will crater in a month was the talking point. Just hold on and any day now the Russians will have to pull out. That was 3 years ago. For those keeping score. The Ruble is worth the same today ot was worth prior to the sanctions.

Yeah they currently occupy 95+% of Donesk and Luhansk. They want to trade the areas they occupy outside those areas for the remainder of those 2 regions. It’s not the deal Ukraine might want or is even fair or just but it’s the best deal they are likely to get.

All those non NATO Eastern European countries? Which ones might those be?


Living in the real world doesn’t equate to being a Russian advocate.

Ukraine is not looking for a deal.

Putin is not, either.

Trump is trying to support the Russians and is willing to undermine 75 years of American world leadership and betray Ukrzine.

You use of the “warmonger” trope clearly aligns you with Putin.

You may think you’re ji]ust being a Trump stooge. But you’re serving Russian interests.

 

[Meathead]

“Details of post-summit call were leaked in which US president supports plan for Kyiv to give up Donbas region

Donald Trump will back a plan to cede unoccupied Ukrainian territory to Russia to secure an end to the war between the two countries, it was reported on Saturday, after details of his post-summit call with European leaders leaked out.

Trump told European leaders that he believed a peace deal could be negotiated if the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, agreed to give up the Donbas region, which Russian invaders have not been able to seize in over three years of fighting, the New York Times reported, citing to two senior European officials.

Two sources with direct knowledge of the talks in Alaska told the Guardian that Putin demanded Ukraine withdraw from Donbas, which is made up of the Donestk and Luhansk regions, as a condition for ending the war, but offered Trump a freeze along the remaining frontline.”

Trump reportedly to back ceding of Ukrainian territory to Russia as part of peace deal

Details of post-summit call were leaked in which US president supports plan for Kyiv to give up Donbas region

www.theguardian.com

That Trump would stab Zelenskyy in the back comes as no surprise, of course, and reward the war criminal Putin.

Trump is also messaging to his fellow despots and dictators that might makes right, that war criminals who lawlessly invade sovereign countries will likewise be rewarded for their criminal acts.

Two sources with direct knowledge of the talks in Alaska told the Guardian that Putin demanded Ukraine withdraw from Donbas,...

Give me a ******* break.

 

[georgephillip]

ou conveniently forgot to mention that the Russians had already installed governments in Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Ygoslavia, Albania, Romania, Bulgaria, Finland, Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania.

While you ignore the geography and history.

In the wake of WWII, communists would likely have won free elections from Korea to Greece. This was due to the fact that communists in those countries had fought against Axis powers while their capitalists were more inclined to collaborate.

The very last thing the USSR needed in 1945 was a Cold War with a continental superpower whose homeland's infrastructure was undamaged by the war.

The US began that Cold War in the summer of 1945 because the "good guys" had nuclear weapons and communists did not.
December 31, 2002

A Pop Quiz on Korea​

Gary Leup
"6. In August 1945 defeated Japanese forces formally turned over authority in Korea to the broad-based Committee for the Preparation of Korean Independence, led by Lyuh Woon-hyung, which in September proclaimed the Korean People’s Republic (KPR). When U.S. forces under Gen. Reed Hodge arrived in Inchon to accept the Japanese surrender, they

"a. ordered all Japanese officials to remain in their posts, refused to recognize Lyuh as national leader, and soon banned all public reference to the KPR

b. recognized Lyuh as the legitimate head of state

c. negotiated with Lyuh to facilitate swift attainment of independence of a united Korea"

 

[Couchpotato]

Ukraine is not looking for a deal.

Putin is not, either.

Trump is trying to support the Russians and is willing to undermine 75 years of American world leadership and betray Ukrzine.

You use of the “warmonger” trope clearly aligns you with Putin.

You may think you’re ji]ust being a Trump stooge. But you’re serving Russian interests.

Ukrainian Support for War Effort Collapses

New data from Ukraine show the public favors ending the war with Russia through negotiations, as support for fighting until victory has plummeted.

news.gallup.com

Hey do you have that list of all the non NATO eastern European countries you think Putin is going to invade next?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Of course we do.

The question is: How much do they hate Trump that they'd want to have a direct confrontation between the US and Russia.

That is the ONLY way that Ukraine will be able to keep any land.

We have near zero conventional capability to move men and equipment from the USA to Ukraine to fight and die for BlackRock and the WEF

 

[GLASNOST]

Two sources with direct knowledge of the talks in Alaska told the Guardian that Putin demanded Ukraine withdraw from Donbas,...

Give me a ******* break.

What's the problem? Do you (or the two sources with direct knowledge of the talks in Alaska) think this is news? That's been Russia's goal from the very beginning. Why does anyone think Russia went into Ukraine in the first place ......... to deprive the Americans the abundance of unemployed scammers and mail order brides?

 

[Darkwind]

We have near zero conventional capability to move men and equipment from the USA to Ukraine to fight and die for BlackRock and the WEF

What?

We could have two Infantry Divisions in Ukraine inside of 3 weeks.

 

[Meathead]

What's the problem? Do you (or the two sources with direct knowledge of the talks in Alaska) think this is news? That's been Russia's goal from the very beginning. Why does anyone think Russia went into Ukraine in the first place ......... to deprive the Americans the abundance of unemployed scammers and mail order brides?

WTF would "two sources with direct knowledge" tell a *** rag anything?

You're both idiots, and the Guardian is a reliable source for you.

 

[georgephillip]

ou also conveniently forgot to mention that there was an active] civil war going on in Ukraine. This war had been going on since 1945, as Ukranians turned from fighting Nazis to fighting the Red Army.

Just a few minor details you conveniently left out,

You left out the obvious geography.
Everything happening in Ukraine in 1945 was happening on the opposite side of the planet from DC.
And before you spin the propaganda about US "good guys" fighting against godless communists, please remember the US was using former Nazis in its campaigns:

Operation Gladio - Wikipedia

 

[Meathead]

What?

We could have two Infantry Divisions in Ukraine inside of 3 weeks.

Ain't gonna happen. I suggest a volunteer force like the Lincoln Brigade on the condition the US government supply the body bags and the return of the corpses.