Trump to back ceding of Ukrainian territory to Russia as part of peace deal

[CrusaderFrank]

What?

We could have two Infantry Divisions in Ukraine inside of 3 weeks.

Currently stationed in EU? I’m not up on this. Which divisions, how prepared are they?

Do we declare war on Russia or are we going to go 0 for 6 in undeclared wars post WWII?

 

[georgephillip]

Ukraine is not looking for a deal.

Putin is not, either.

Trump is trying to support the Russians and is willing to undermine 75 years of American world leadership and betray Ukrzine.

You use of the “warmonger” trope clearly aligns you with Putin.

You may think you’re ji]ust being a Trump stooge. But you’re serving Russian interests.

Ukrainians are looking for a negotiated end to their conflict with Russia if you believe recent polls; why do you want more Ukrainians to die to support "75 years of American world leadership"?

Ukrainian Support for War Effort Collapses

"More than three years into the war, Ukrainians’ support for continuing to fight until victory has hit a new low. In Gallup’s most recent poll of Ukraine — conducted in early July — 69% say they favor a negotiated end to the war as soon as possible, compared with 24% who support continuing to fight until victory."

 

[georgephillip]

What?

We could have two Infantry Divisions in Ukraine inside of 3 weeks.

Then what?

Do you believe Russia is afraid to attack the US Homeland?

 

[80zephyr]

Maybe you should look at how Putin has operated during the whole war. He bluffs, all the time.

I realize that. But that really makes no difference.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The corruption in Ukraine has long preceded Zelensky, but that doesn't mean he hasn't participated in the grift.

John Mearsheimer's AI puts it this way:

Mearsheimer AI - John Mearsheimer

"In the context of Ukraine, corruption has been a longstanding issue, predating Zelensky's presidency.

"The country has faced numerous challenges in reforming its political and economic systems, which have been plagued by oligarchic influence and bureaucratic inefficiencies.

"While Zelensky campaigned on an anti-corruption platform, the complexities of Ukrainian politics and the ongoing conflict with Russia complicate efforts to achieve transparency and accountability.

"From a geopolitical perspective, Ukraine is a pivotal player in the power struggle between Russia and the West.

"The United States and its allies have significant strategic interests in supporting Ukraine as a counterbalance to Russian influence.

"Thus, allegations of corruption can sometimes be used as political tools by various actors to advance their own agendas.

"It is essential to critically assess such claims within the broader context of international relations and the strategic interests at play."

Trump campaigned on a whole host of things he’s walked away from as well

Putin was accurate when he said a President might have goals and promises but then the men in black suits come in and tell him what will actually happen.

Zelenskyy campaigned on Peace with Russia and that’s become his Epstein Files and holding the Deep State to account

 

[GLASNOST]

We could have two Infantry Divisions in Ukraine inside of 3 weeks.

Bring enough body bags to go around.

 

[Darkwind]

Ain't gonna happen. I suggest a volunteer force like the Lincoln Brigade on the condition the US government supply the body bags and the return of the corpses.

What?

No one is saying we should. A claim that we could not was made. It was laughably stupid thing to say.

 

[GLASNOST]

..... the Guardian is a reliable source for you.

 

[Darkwind]

Currently stationed in EU? I’m not up on this. Which divisions, how prepared are they?

Do we declare war on Russia or are we going to go 0 for 6 in undeclared wars post WWII?

Wow. Who said we should?

I said we could and we can.

How many Infantry Divisions does the United States have, do you even know?

It would take us 3 weeks to stage into Ukraine if it comes to that.

But you know, keep pushing the "Ukraine should give up no land at all" narrative and let's just step back and let the war go.

It isn't our responsibility.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Ukrainians are looking for a negotiated end to their conflict with Russia if you believe recent polls; why do you want more Ukrainians to die to support "75 years of American world leadership"?

Ukrainian Support for War Effort Collapses

"More than three years into the war, Ukrainians’ support for continuing to fight until victory has hit a new low. In Gallup’s most recent poll of Ukraine — conducted in early July — 69% say they favor a negotiated end to the war as soon as possible, compared with 24% who support continuing to fight until victory."

The Ukrainian kids fought bravely and deserved better than this

The people and organizations backing Zelenskyy need to be called to account

 

[schmidlap]

Disgraced and enfeebled, Trump is parroting Putin's demands to Zelinskyy.

America being reduced to this squalid level is disgusting for any lover of democracy.

 

[AlexanderPK]

I wholly disagree. The US just came out of a 22 year hot war. Our military is as lethal as it has ever been.

Oh, "Edge of Tomorrow", right. We owe it to you big time. What's the army for when Tom Cruise can save the world practically alone?

 

[Lesh]

So what is Putin giving up here?

 

[Meathead]

Disgraced and enfeebled, Trump is parroting Putin's demands to Zelinskyy.

America being reduced to this squalid level is disgusting for any lover of democracy.

You get that you have become the neo-con you likely despised 15 years ago.

 

[Darkwind]

Oh, "Edge of Tomorrow", right. We owe it to you big time. What's the army for when Tom Cruise can save the world practically alone?

What?

 

[Rambunctious]

It is true, and you know it.

Trump withdrew that threat,

Since it was only a week ago, and was widely reported, the only conclusion available is that you’re either a Russian troll or a Trump stooge.

Either way, you are obviously lying.

link please....

 

[AlexanderPK]

What?

I like good Sci-Fi movies too, that's "what".

 

[candycorn]

Ukraine is losing that war, and support for it in Ukraine has cratered.

Because the western democracies aren’t supporting Ukraine as they once did when we had an actual leader in office. Your blob works for Russia.

 

[struth]

Because the western democracies aren’t supporting Ukraine as they once did when we had an actual leader in office. Your blob works for Russia.

Why aren’t they supporting them? Why does who is in the office in the United States matter if the UK or Spain or Germany supports Ukraine?

 

[Billiejeens]

"Rocky Horror Picture Show"

that's a good one.