Trump Thinks He Humiliated Zelensky. He Really Humiliated the United States

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"It was an ugly display of foreign policy crudeness the likes of which we have never seen transpire in the White House. It is tempting to call it inept. But it was not. It achieved precisely the goal that Putin and Trump had long sought, to produce a public break between the United States and Ukraine that would directly and meaningfully support Russia’s illegal, brutal conquest of its neighbor.

Trump and Vance, however, were rebuffed by Zelensky in important ways. When the Americans sought to perpetuate lies that have been a staple of Kremlin propaganda and Trump campaign speeches, Zelensky stood up to them. He refuted the idea that Ukraine provoked Russia’s invasion.

He rejected the ahistorical nonsense that Putin only invaded Ukraine because he sensed former president Joe Biden’s weakness. He reminded those viewing the encounter on U.S. national television that in fact Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 (a point on which Trump embarrassingly tried to correct him) and that the war raged for all four years Trump was in office the last time. He pointed out that he sought a diplomatic solution only to have Putin violate the terms of deals that had been struck.

With each correction Trump and Vance grew more furious and out of control. Trump vainly tried to intimidate a man who has stood up to far worse since he assumed Ukraine’s presidency."


Trump and Vance attacked President Zelensky with disinformation and lies that were nothing more than Russian propaganda.
 
"It was an ugly display of foreign policy crudeness the likes of which we have never seen transpire in the White House. It is tempting to call it inept. But it was not. It achieved precisely the goal that Putin and Trump had long sought, to produce a public break between the United States and Ukraine that would directly and meaningfully support Russia’s illegal, brutal conquest of its neighbor.

Trump and Vance, however, were rebuffed by Zelensky in important ways. When the Americans sought to perpetuate lies that have been a staple of Kremlin propaganda and Trump campaign speeches, Zelensky stood up to them. He refuted the idea that Ukraine provoked Russia’s invasion.

He rejected the ahistorical nonsense that Putin only invaded Ukraine because he sensed former president Joe Biden’s weakness. He reminded those viewing the encounter on U.S. national television that in fact Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 (a point on which Trump embarrassingly tried to correct him) and that the war raged for all four years Trump was in office the last time. He pointed out that he sought a diplomatic solution only to have Putin violate the terms of deals that had been struck.

With each correction Trump and Vance grew more furious and out of control. Trump vainly tried to intimidate a man who has stood up to far worse since he assumed Ukraine’s presidency."


Trump and Vance attacked President Zelensky with disinformation and lies that were nothing more than Russian propaganda.
This is what we needed in a President for my lifetime. Trump has an administration that much more loyal now. Just like Progs have on all of their Presidents. There are none or few Jeff Sessions deep state scum recusing themselves.
 
"It was an ugly display of foreign policy crudeness the likes of which we have never seen transpire in the White House. It is tempting to call it inept. But it was not. It achieved precisely the goal that Putin and Trump had long sought, to produce a public break between the United States and Ukraine that would directly and meaningfully support Russia’s illegal, brutal conquest of its neighbor.

Trump and Vance, however, were rebuffed by Zelensky in important ways. When the Americans sought to perpetuate lies that have been a staple of Kremlin propaganda and Trump campaign speeches, Zelensky stood up to them. He refuted the idea that Ukraine provoked Russia’s invasion.

He rejected the ahistorical nonsense that Putin only invaded Ukraine because he sensed former president Joe Biden’s weakness. He reminded those viewing the encounter on U.S. national television that in fact Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 (a point on which Trump embarrassingly tried to correct him) and that the war raged for all four years Trump was in office the last time. He pointed out that he sought a diplomatic solution only to have Putin violate the terms of deals that had been struck.

With each correction Trump and Vance grew more furious and out of control. Trump vainly tried to intimidate a man who has stood up to far worse since he assumed Ukraine’s presidency."


Trump and Vance attacked President Zelensky with disinformation and lies that were nothing more than Russian propaganda.
For arguments sake, lets assume that your premise is true. Explain why we should give a flying **** what any other nation thinks about it? If any nation out there has an issue with the US, come get some.
 
For arguments sake, lets assume that your premise is true. Explain why we should give a flying **** what any other nation thinks about it? If any nation out there has an issue with the US, come get some.
Okay, uncurious caveman. So Isolationism then.
 
“It’s time to say it plainly. America’s leadership has switched sides in the war. The American people have not, and they should speak up.

In the past several weeks, the U.S. leadership has demonstrated explicit hostility towards Ukraine and aligned its rhetoric and policy with Russia.

The animosity culminated today when U.S. President Donald Trump and Vice President JD Vance berated Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky at a meeting in the Oval Office.

After a hostile meeting, Zelensky left the White House. Trump reportedly ordered the Ukrainian delegation out.

Let this sink in. The president of a battered Ukraine, an ally of the U.S., became the first world leader in history to be kicked out of the White House. Not a dictator, not a disgraced politician — the president of Ukraine, a country suffering from the worst invasion in the 21st century. The country that the U.S. administration swore to bring peace to.”


Trump and Vance engaged in a shameful, reprehensible betrayal of America’s long tradition of defending democracy and opposing despotic aggression.
 
"It was an ugly display of foreign policy crudeness the likes of which we have never seen transpire in the White House. It is tempting to call it inept. But it was not. It achieved precisely the goal that Putin and Trump had long sought, to produce a public break between the United States and Ukraine that would directly and meaningfully support Russia’s illegal, brutal conquest of its neighbor.

Trump and Vance, however, were rebuffed by Zelensky in important ways. When the Americans sought to perpetuate lies that have been a staple of Kremlin propaganda and Trump campaign speeches, Zelensky stood up to them. He refuted the idea that Ukraine provoked Russia’s invasion.

He rejected the ahistorical nonsense that Putin only invaded Ukraine because he sensed former president Joe Biden’s weakness. He reminded those viewing the encounter on U.S. national television that in fact Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 (a point on which Trump embarrassingly tried to correct him) and that the war raged for all four years Trump was in office the last time. He pointed out that he sought a diplomatic solution only to have Putin violate the terms of deals that had been struck.

With each correction Trump and Vance grew more furious and out of control. Trump vainly tried to intimidate a man who has stood up to far worse since he assumed Ukraine’s presidency."


Trump and Vance attacked President Zelensky with disinformation and lies that were nothing more than Russian propaganda.

Well, I doubt Zelen$ky will even be living in Ukraine before March is over
 
I am Canadian and it's been clear to me for some time that the American taxpayer wants out of endless wars around the globe. We need a sovereign, solvent America for the big threat that is China. Trump is going to have to get back to focusing on tariffs, DOGE and dealing with other issues, he can't keep dragging a horse to the water only to be hoodwinked. Once Zelensky is ready for help that Europe will NOT provide he can call Trump back.
 
"It was an ugly display of foreign policy crudeness the likes of which we have never seen transpire in the White House. It is tempting to call it inept. But it was not. It achieved precisely the goal that Putin and Trump had long sought, to produce a public break between the United States and Ukraine that would directly and meaningfully support Russia’s illegal, brutal conquest of its neighbor.

Trump and Vance, however, were rebuffed by Zelensky in important ways. When the Americans sought to perpetuate lies that have been a staple of Kremlin propaganda and Trump campaign speeches, Zelensky stood up to them. He refuted the idea that Ukraine provoked Russia’s invasion.

He rejected the ahistorical nonsense that Putin only invaded Ukraine because he sensed former president Joe Biden’s weakness. He reminded those viewing the encounter on U.S. national television that in fact Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 (a point on which Trump embarrassingly tried to correct him) and that the war raged for all four years Trump was in office the last time. He pointed out that he sought a diplomatic solution only to have Putin violate the terms of deals that had been struck.

With each correction Trump and Vance grew more furious and out of control. Trump vainly tried to intimidate a man who has stood up to far worse since he assumed Ukraine’s presidency."


Trump and Vance attacked President Zelensky with disinformation and lies that were nothing more than Russian propaganda.

Pssst. Trump wants to make a permanent peace with Putin and align the USA and Russia.

No more NATO
 
For arguments sake, lets assume that your premise is true. Explain why we should give a flying **** what any other nation thinks about it? If any nation out there has an issue with the US, come get some.
Well the US seems to want allies in its efforts to contain China, for example. Allies that have contributed more to Ukraine than has the US, btw.
They've all just witnessed how the US treats its allies.
 
I am Canadian and it's been clear to me for some time that the American taxpayer wants out of endless wars around the globe. We need a sovereign, solvent America for the big threat that is China. Trump is going to have to get back to focusing on tariffs, DOGE and dealing with other issues, he can't keep dragging a horse to the water only to be hoodwinked. Once Zelensky is ready for help that Europe will NOT provide he can call Trump back.
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Zelenskyy went off in front of the cameras in the Oval Office and it pissed off JD and Trump and Rubio... he should have shown more respect from the way he was dressed to the way he acted...
He never said thank you once....
Even Senator Graham was done with this guy... Trump's team has made trips to see him in Ukraine and all reported his stubbornness and his willingness to just keep fighting this losing battle...
 
I am Canadian and it's been clear to me for some time that the American taxpayer wants out of endless wars around the globe. We need a sovereign, solvent America for the big threat that is China. Trump is going to have to get back to focusing on tariffs, DOGE and dealing with other issues, he can't keep dragging a horse to the water only to be hoodwinked. Once Zelensky is ready for help that Europe will NOT provide he can call Trump back.
Evidently the troll has been yanking both Sec. Bessent and Sec. Rubio for some time.
 
Well the US seems to want allies in its efforts to contain China, for example. Allies that have contributed more to Ukraine than has the US, btw.
They've all just witnessed how the US treats its allies.
...and how have our allies helped us with China? China steals their technology and intellectual properties and they dont say a god damn word about it. :dunno:
 

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