Trump tearing apart national parks

get rid of some of these park rangers/$$$ spent on parks
jesus christ--when a company is in debt/losing $$$--they lay off and some go under
the US is in HUGE debt !!!!!!!

The US is in 'HUGE' debt because the middle-class doesn't make enough money.
irrelevant
the US is spending $$$$$$ on so much CRAP
1. $20 million to Palestinians !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
$10,000 for DRUMSTICKS at an award ceremony--for federal employees morale !!!!
etc
bullshit---they are spending so much on crap
 
Our public lands should be controlled solely by the people who live on or near them. The whole concept of "those resources belong to ALL of us" is complete claptrap. The feds stole those lands from the Indians, after promising them access to them... then they sold them to, and stole them from, the next generation of people who lived on them...after promising never to interfere with the access and proit... It was illegal when they did it, and it's illegal for them to continue to hold those lands, or restrict ANY access to them or the withdrawal/sale of ANY resource or asset that comes off them.

The first step is to obliterate the Forest Service. Then the Dept. of the Interior.

Everything will work itself out once you do that. It doesn't matter who sells what to whom...the only thing that matters is that THOSE LANDS DON'T BELONG TO THE FEDS.

They belong to the people and the people are going to take them back.

Are you ready to pay the bill?
 
get rid of some of these park rangers/$$$ spent on parks
jesus christ--when a company is in debt/losing $$$--they lay off and some go under
the US is in HUGE debt !!!!!!!

The US is in 'HUGE' debt because the middle-class doesn't make enough money.
irrelevant
the US is spending $$$$$$ on so much CRAP
1. $20 million to Palestinians !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
$10,000 for DRUMSTICKS at an award ceremony--for federal employees morale !!!!
etc
bullshit---they are spending so much on crap

Very relevant. Greater than 60% of the US economy is middle-class spending. If middle class workers were making a salary commensurate with cost increases we wouldn't have excess debt.
 
The federal government claims ownership of nearly 64% of the land in Utah. In a contiguous group of eleven western states, the federal government claims ownership of nearly half of the land in those states. There is no good reason why the federal government should be allowed to claim so much of the land that ought to belong to the state or to the people in those states.

The Massive (and Empty) Federal Lands of the American West
Federal land ownership by state - Ballotpedia

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Does the State of Utah have finances to support the land in question?

Doesn't federal land belong to the people of Utah?


Does the State of Utah have finances to support the land in question?

Do the Feds? How's their stewardship been over the last century?
Pretty good. At least our national scenic treasures haven't been strip mined, drilled, clear cut, paved over, and parceled out into little McMansions, condos, and strip malls.
 
get rid of some of these park rangers/$$$ spent on parks
jesus christ--when a company is in debt/losing $$$--they lay off and some go under
the US is in HUGE debt !!!!!!!

The US is in 'HUGE' debt because the middle-class doesn't make enough money.
irrelevant
the US is spending $$$$$$ on so much CRAP
1. $20 million to Palestinians !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
$10,000 for DRUMSTICKS at an award ceremony--for federal employees morale !!!!
etc
bullshit---they are spending so much on crap

Very relevant. Greater than 60% of the US economy is middle-class spending. If middle class workers were making a salary commensurate with cost increases we wouldn't have excess debt.
totally irrelevant --- don't spend more than you take in!!
 
get rid of some of these park rangers/$$$ spent on parks
jesus christ--when a company is in debt/losing $$$--they lay off and some go under
the US is in HUGE debt !!!!!!!

The US is in 'HUGE' debt because the middle-class doesn't make enough money.
irrelevant
the US is spending $$$$$$ on so much CRAP
1. $20 million to Palestinians !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
$10,000 for DRUMSTICKS at an award ceremony--for federal employees morale !!!!
etc
bullshit---they are spending so much on crap

Very relevant. Greater than 60% of the US economy is middle-class spending. If middle class workers were making a salary commensurate with cost increases we wouldn't have excess debt.
totally irrelevant --- don't spend more than you take in!!

We could stop paying social security obligations. Those folks should have planned ahead! Sarcasm, It's how I hug.....
 
Our public lands should be controlled solely by the people who live on or near them. The whole concept of "those resources belong to ALL of us" is complete claptrap. The feds stole those lands from the Indians, after promising them access to them... then they sold them to, and stole them from, the next generation of people who lived on them...after promising never to interfere with the access and proit... It was illegal when they did it, and it's illegal for them to continue to hold those lands, or restrict ANY access to them or the withdrawal/sale of ANY resource or asset that comes off them.

The first step is to obliterate the Forest Service. Then the Dept. of the Interior.

Everything will work itself out once you do that. It doesn't matter who sells what to whom...the only thing that matters is that THOSE LANDS DON'T BELONG TO THE FEDS.

They belong to the people and the people are going to take them back.

Are you ready to pay the bill?

We're already footing the bill.
Eliminate those pieces of shit. There will be zero bill.
 
I'm against anyone that continues to screw the middle class. So yes.

So when you see the tax cuts go mainly to the middle-class worker, you'll vote for President Trump in 2020! GREAT, glad to have you!

How is the raise in standard deduction with the elimination of personal deductions a good thing?

What middle-class workers need is a raise, a BIG raise.

Yeah. That is the reason the GOP has decided to permanently cut taxes for corporations. According to them, if you cut taxes on corporations, the corporations will pay their workers more and hire more people.

Yeah...............sure....................like Wal Mart would ever do that.
 
Link. Without a link, your claim stands out as an obvious lie and you as an obvious liar, or as a very misinformed fool. Your dopey conspiracy scheme does not even make sense. Under BLM status commercial interest, even the Chinese, would have a chance of obtaining coal from the federal lands. Changing the status to National Monument status took any opportunity to exploit and obtain coal from the lands off the table.
You need to think out your lie a little bit.

Nonsense, this was in the news and common knowledge at the time. It is not my fault you refused to read anything truthful about the Clintons.

The Utah Coal Lockup: A trillion dollar Lippo payoff?

By: Sarah Foster

When the President signed the Executive Order designating 1.7 million acres of land in southwest Utah as the Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument, his action placed the area off limits to mineral extraction and
development.

The New York Times reported that the monument encloses the largest coal
field in the nation, the Kaiparowitz Plateau, which contains at least 7
billion tons of coal worth over $1 TRILLION.

Kentucky-based company Andalux Resources, which holds leases on 3,400 acres in the area, was planning to open a huge operation (underground, not strip mining) that would have generated 1,000 jobs, $1 million in annual revenue for Kane County, and at least $10 million a year in state and federal taxes, according to the New York Times. Folks living in the area wore black arm bands the day of the signing - but Clinton didn't see them. He chose to make his announcement in a neighboring state. WHY?

Why did he do it? Why lock up $1 trillion worth of coal?

An obvious explanation is he was hoping to secure the environmentalist vote. Though that was no doubt part of his reasoning, he had surely achieved such an objective earlier this summer when he declared the huge area outside Yellowstone National Park a World Heritage Area. Let'' look further.

In the weeks prior to the past election, revelations surfaced almost daily regarding donations from foreign sources to the Democratic Party and Clinton's past campaigns. At the center of the controversy was another set of people to whom Clinton owes a few favors: the Lippo Group, a powerful $5 billion Indonesian conglomerate, founded and owned by the Riady family who, it turned out, had raised and funneled millions of dollars into campaign coffers.

[...]

The Utah Coal Lockup: A trillion dollar Lippo payoff?

So we should sell-off our natural resources so the rich can get richer?

Sell those resources!!!
 
get rid of some of these park rangers/$$$ spent on parks
jesus christ--when a company is in debt/losing $$$--they lay off and some go under
the US is in HUGE debt !!!!!!!

The US is in 'HUGE' debt because the middle-class doesn't make enough money.
irrelevant
the US is spending $$$$$$ on so much CRAP
1. $20 million to Palestinians !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
$10,000 for DRUMSTICKS at an award ceremony--for federal employees morale !!!!
etc
bullshit---they are spending so much on crap

Very relevant. Greater than 60% of the US economy is middle-class spending. If middle class workers were making a salary commensurate with cost increases we wouldn't have excess debt.

Greater than 60% of the US economy is middle-class spending.

Bullshit.
 
The federal government claims ownership of nearly 64% of the land in Utah. In a contiguous group of eleven western states, the federal government claims ownership of nearly half of the land in those states. There is no good reason why the federal government should be allowed to claim so much of the land that ought to belong to the state or to the people in those states.

The Massive (and Empty) Federal Lands of the American West
Federal land ownership by state - Ballotpedia

lead_960.png

Does the State of Utah have finances to support the land in question?

Doesn't federal land belong to the people of Utah?


Does the State of Utah have finances to support the land in question?

Do the Feds? How's their stewardship been over the last century?
Pretty good. At least our national scenic treasures haven't been strip mined, drilled, clear cut, paved over, and parceled out into little McMansions, condos, and strip malls.

Pretty good.

All the massive wildfires on federal lands over the last 30 years would indicate you're wrong.
 
Our public lands should be controlled solely by the people who live on or near them. The whole concept of "those resources belong to ALL of us" is complete claptrap. The feds stole those lands from the Indians, after promising them access to them... then they sold them to, and stole them from, the next generation of people who lived on them...after promising never to interfere with the access and proit... It was illegal when they did it, and it's illegal for them to continue to hold those lands, or restrict ANY access to them or the withdrawal/sale of ANY resource or asset that comes off them.

The first step is to obliterate the Forest Service. Then the Dept. of the Interior.

Everything will work itself out once you do that. It doesn't matter who sells what to whom...the only thing that matters is that THOSE LANDS DON'T BELONG TO THE FEDS.

They belong to the people and the people are going to take them back.

Are you ready to pay the bill?

We're already footing the bill.
Eliminate those pieces of shit. There will be zero bill.

Quit kidding yourself. No matter who owns it your going to pay for it.

The middle-class needs a fucking raise. Do that and the debt will drop.
 
I'm against anyone that continues to screw the middle class. So yes.

So when you see the tax cuts go mainly to the middle-class worker, you'll vote for President Trump in 2020! GREAT, glad to have you!

How is the raise in standard deduction with the elimination of personal deductions a good thing?

What middle-class workers need is a raise, a BIG raise.

Yeah. That is the reason the GOP has decided to permanently cut taxes for corporations. According to them, if you cut taxes on corporations, the corporations will pay their workers more and hire more people.

Yeah...............sure....................like Wal Mart would ever do that.

The only way business is going to pay their employees is if their made too. This 'market price' like fish is totally bullshit.
 
Our public lands should be controlled solely by the people who live on or near them. The whole concept of "those resources belong to ALL of us" is complete claptrap. The feds stole those lands from the Indians, after promising them access to them... then they sold them to, and stole them from, the next generation of people who lived on them...after promising never to interfere with the access and proit... It was illegal when they did it, and it's illegal for them to continue to hold those lands, or restrict ANY access to them or the withdrawal/sale of ANY resource or asset that comes off them.

The first step is to obliterate the Forest Service. Then the Dept. of the Interior.

Everything will work itself out once you do that. It doesn't matter who sells what to whom...the only thing that matters is that THOSE LANDS DON'T BELONG TO THE FEDS.

They belong to the people and the people are going to take them back.

Are you ready to pay the bill?

We're already footing the bill.
Eliminate those pieces of shit. There will be zero bill.

Quit kidding yourself. No matter who owns it your going to pay for it.

The middle-class needs a fucking raise. Do that and the debt will drop.
In what alternate universe does ELIMINATING wildly expensive *agencies* that spend money as if they print their own = "you will pay more"?

It doesn't. You get rid of the USFS and the BLM and the EPA and we will be rolling in dough.
 
Link. Without a link, your claim stands out as an obvious lie and you as an obvious liar, or as a very misinformed fool. Your dopey conspiracy scheme does not even make sense. Under BLM status commercial interest, even the Chinese, would have a chance of obtaining coal from the federal lands. Changing the status to National Monument status took any opportunity to exploit and obtain coal from the lands off the table.
You need to think out your lie a little bit.

Nonsense, this was in the news and common knowledge at the time. It is not my fault you refused to read anything truthful about the Clintons.

The Utah Coal Lockup: A trillion dollar Lippo payoff?

By: Sarah Foster

When the President signed the Executive Order designating 1.7 million acres of land in southwest Utah as the Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument, his action placed the area off limits to mineral extraction and
development.

The New York Times reported that the monument encloses the largest coal
field in the nation, the Kaiparowitz Plateau, which contains at least 7
billion tons of coal worth over $1 TRILLION.

Kentucky-based company Andalux Resources, which holds leases on 3,400 acres in the area, was planning to open a huge operation (underground, not strip mining) that would have generated 1,000 jobs, $1 million in annual revenue for Kane County, and at least $10 million a year in state and federal taxes, according to the New York Times. Folks living in the area wore black arm bands the day of the signing - but Clinton didn't see them. He chose to make his announcement in a neighboring state. WHY?

Why did he do it? Why lock up $1 trillion worth of coal?

An obvious explanation is he was hoping to secure the environmentalist vote. Though that was no doubt part of his reasoning, he had surely achieved such an objective earlier this summer when he declared the huge area outside Yellowstone National Park a World Heritage Area. Let'' look further.

In the weeks prior to the past election, revelations surfaced almost daily regarding donations from foreign sources to the Democratic Party and Clinton's past campaigns. At the center of the controversy was another set of people to whom Clinton owes a few favors: the Lippo Group, a powerful $5 billion Indonesian conglomerate, founded and owned by the Riady family who, it turned out, had raised and funneled millions of dollars into campaign coffers.

[...]

The Utah Coal Lockup: A trillion dollar Lippo payoff?

So we should sell-off our natural resources so the rich can get richer?

Sell those resources!!!

To whom. Coal is a failing commodity. We have a glut of gasoline and oil. Maybe gold and silver? Water?
 
BTW one of the better accepted arguments against national monuments was "the USFS and BLM have more money and can manage them better".

Everybody except you understands the reality which is that those agencies waste money. Eliminate them and boom a huge cash drain evaporates.
 
Link. Without a link, your claim stands out as an obvious lie and you as an obvious liar, or as a very misinformed fool. Your dopey conspiracy scheme does not even make sense. Under BLM status commercial interest, even the Chinese, would have a chance of obtaining coal from the federal lands. Changing the status to National Monument status took any opportunity to exploit and obtain coal from the lands off the table.
You need to think out your lie a little bit.

Nonsense, this was in the news and common knowledge at the time. It is not my fault you refused to read anything truthful about the Clintons.

The Utah Coal Lockup: A trillion dollar Lippo payoff?

By: Sarah Foster

When the President signed the Executive Order designating 1.7 million acres of land in southwest Utah as the Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument, his action placed the area off limits to mineral extraction and
development.

The New York Times reported that the monument encloses the largest coal
field in the nation, the Kaiparowitz Plateau, which contains at least 7
billion tons of coal worth over $1 TRILLION.

Kentucky-based company Andalux Resources, which holds leases on 3,400 acres in the area, was planning to open a huge operation (underground, not strip mining) that would have generated 1,000 jobs, $1 million in annual revenue for Kane County, and at least $10 million a year in state and federal taxes, according to the New York Times. Folks living in the area wore black arm bands the day of the signing - but Clinton didn't see them. He chose to make his announcement in a neighboring state. WHY?

Why did he do it? Why lock up $1 trillion worth of coal?

An obvious explanation is he was hoping to secure the environmentalist vote. Though that was no doubt part of his reasoning, he had surely achieved such an objective earlier this summer when he declared the huge area outside Yellowstone National Park a World Heritage Area. Let'' look further.

In the weeks prior to the past election, revelations surfaced almost daily regarding donations from foreign sources to the Democratic Party and Clinton's past campaigns. At the center of the controversy was another set of people to whom Clinton owes a few favors: the Lippo Group, a powerful $5 billion Indonesian conglomerate, founded and owned by the Riady family who, it turned out, had raised and funneled millions of dollars into campaign coffers.

[...]

The Utah Coal Lockup: A trillion dollar Lippo payoff?

So we should sell-off our natural resources so the rich can get richer?

Sell those resources!!!

To whom. Coal is a failing commodity. We have a glut of gasoline and oil. Maybe gold and silver? Water?
Coal is only failing because the feds make it fail.

It won't be a *failing commodity* when the restrictions and penalties are removed.
 
I'm against anyone that continues to screw the middle class. So yes.

So when you see the tax cuts go mainly to the middle-class worker, you'll vote for President Trump in 2020! GREAT, glad to have you!

How is the raise in standard deduction with the elimination of personal deductions a good thing?

What middle-class workers need is a raise, a BIG raise.

Yeah. That is the reason the GOP has decided to permanently cut taxes for corporations. According to them, if you cut taxes on corporations, the corporations will pay their workers more and hire more people.

Yeah...............sure....................like Wal Mart would ever do that.
they take their companies overseas where there are less taxes
 
Quit kidding yourself. No matter who owns it your going to pay for it.

The middle-class needs a fucking raise. Do that and the debt will drop.
In what alternate universe does ELIMINATING wildly expensive *agencies* that spend money as if they print their own = "you will pay more"?

It doesn't. You get rid of the USFS and the BLM and the EPA and we will be rolling in dough.

LIbErals often are not very good at basic math.
 

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