Trump plans to make Democrats an offer to end shutdown, not declare national emergency...

[OldLady]

Why not a border barrier (wall, fence,whatever)?

Many say because it will be ineffective. Many think it's a necessity and will be effective. My question to those against the border barrier is what harm will it do? Is it really worth keeping the government "shut down" to say no to the border barrier.

Lets be real, both sides have the power to end the government shutdown. Trump can cave in, but then there will certainly not be funding for more border barrier. NP and the house can end the shutdown for 2-3 billion for new border barrier, a lot of money, but hardly a blip on total national spending.

The truth is that the fight is not really about the border barrier, it's about the presidential election in 2020. If Trump fights and gets his "wall", his chance of winning reelection increases greatly. If he had caved in December, like he almost did, he could had kissed his chances of reelection goodbye because he would have lost his base. And of course the real reason NP and the dems don't want to appropriate money for the border barrier is that it would be a win for Trump, possibly giving him a second term. They want a dem sitting in the oval.

If someone could wave a magic wand and remove the politics of the next presidential election, a compromise would be quite easy to reach and the shutdown would be over.

what harm will it do?
$5B wasted.
This is 1B. Multiply by 5.

And is that worth the harm of the government shutdown? What does the least harm? Also, the other side disagrees that the 5B would be wasted.

I was just answering, "what harm will it do?" I realize not everyone thinks it is a waste. You don't need to keep making the same argument over and over. I realize what your position is.

 

[dcbl]

Coast Guard pulls drowning people from the water.

this is actally the one thing that I am very upset about

and Coasties do a lot more than that

Like in California, where I heard on the radio this morning, the state wants to "loan" TSA employees some of their unemployment funds to get them by 'til they get their retroactive pay. Trump has forbidden it. The state says they're going to do it anyway.

would you link up something on this?

 

[Moonglow]

I do not expect he will offer anything of substance in his so-called deal. He's really shown colossal stupidity picking this fight that should have began and ended with his inability to get anything from a republican congress.

It would have been much more politically convenient for the democrats had he not saved this fight for them to show how they love to sell us out to foreign interests for new voters.

I am kind of glad he did. The house GOP got kicked in the balls for doing nothing and now the house Dems are getting kicked the balls.

They are all hate us. They loath us. They are angry that they have to kiss our asses to get elected but after that, not one of these Washingto assholes give a single rat **** about Americans.

**** them all!!!

I hope Trump keeps going in dry on their raw anuses. I hope they suffer many many more rotten cases of scorching hemorrhoids.

Keep up the ass rape, Trump.

Can you prove every immigrant votes for the Dems?

 

[JoeMoma]

Why not a border barrier (wall, fence,whatever)?

Many say because it will be ineffective. Many think it's a necessity and will be effective. My question to those against the border barrier is what harm will it do? Is it really worth keeping the government "shut down" to say no to the border barrier.

Lets be real, both sides have the power to end the government shutdown. Trump can cave in, but then there will certainly not be funding for more border barrier. NP and the house can end the shutdown for 2-3 billion for new border barrier, a lot of money, but hardly a blip on total national spending.

The truth is that the fight is not really about the border barrier, it's about the presidential election in 2020. If Trump fights and gets his "wall", his chance of winning reelection increases greatly. If he had caved in December, like he almost did, he could had kissed his chances of reelection goodbye because he would have lost his base. And of course the real reason NP and the dems don't want to appropriate money for the border barrier is that it would be a win for Trump, possibly giving him a second term. They want a dem sitting in the oval.

If someone could wave a magic wand and remove the politics of the next presidential election, a compromise would be quite easy to reach and the shutdown would be over.

what harm will it do?
$5B wasted.
This is 1B. Multiply by 5.

And is that worth the harm of the government shutdown? What does the least harm? Also, the other side disagrees that the 5B would be wasted.

I was just answering, "what harm will it do?" I realize not everyone thinks it is a waste. You don't need to keep making the same argument over and over. I realize what your position is.

Penny wise and pound foolish!

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

His presidency and his legacy as POTUS is all he cares about. He does not care about the wall or illegal immigrants, this is about securing his place in history.

So why would he give up on his #1 issue?

If he does he will lose in 2020 by a landslide.

If he holds out he may still have a shot at re-election.

He literally has nothing to lose.

Never play hardball with somebody who has nothing to lose. They can play much harder and not only get what they want, but take a pound of flesh as a bonus.

This is GLORIOUS. I hope this drags out until 2020!!!

 

[OldLady]

Coast Guard pulls drowning people from the water.

this is actally the one thing that I am very upset about

and Coasties do a lot more than that

Like in California, where I heard on the radio this morning, the state wants to "loan" TSA employees some of their unemployment funds to get them by 'til they get their retroactive pay. Trump has forbidden it. The state says they're going to do it anyway.

would you link up something on this?

Gov. Gavin Newsom offers unemployment benefits to TSA workers, defying Trump administration

 

[leftwinger]

Last time I believe Dem wanted unlimited Chain migration and few other items? Trump would not be swindled. Go around them. You can't deal with this level of dishonest evil dems.

no doubt one way or another trump will give the dems exactly what they want

with this president, I doubt it

he has to give them something, but no way they get "everything they want"

Wonder if he will offer citizenship to millions again?
In that case incentive is everything.

Trump wasn't the one who offered citizenship to millions, was it?

actually yes he did

TRUMP TWEETS that he wants DACA amnesty and Dems DON’T!!!

Well, a Tweet oughta do it. Right?
I was thinking more along the lines of a valid offer made to reps of Congress, like happened a year ago and Trump rejected, two days after saying on national television that he would sign whatever Congress agreed to.
The Pres let us down. He would have gotten his 5B. He could have battled on for his other immigration reforms the next time. The Wall would be under construction by now.
But Trump said NO.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Can you prove every immigrant votes for the Dems?

Can you prove they don't. If I am wrong, why are dems fighting so hard?

Compassion?



.

 

[OldLady]

Coast Guard pulls drowning people from the water.

this is actally the one thing that I am very upset about

and Coasties do a lot more than that

Like in California, where I heard on the radio this morning, the state wants to "loan" TSA employees some of their unemployment funds to get them by 'til they get their retroactive pay. Trump has forbidden it. The state says they're going to do it anyway.

would you link up something on this?

I know the Coasties do a lot of other stuff--I live on the coast and they are a big part of our community. I was just keeping my post short. Around here, they are having potluck suppers for them, restaurants are giving them discounts--they are the last people who should be punished by this.

 

[MACAULAY]

I do not expect he will offer anything of substance in his so-called deal. He's really shown colossal stupidity picking this fight that should have began and ended with his inability to get anything from a republican congress.

_________

I am enormously proud of Trump picking this fight.

I have never seen a political fight where the lines were so clearly drawn between Common Sense/America First and Pure Partisan Propaganda.

The vast majority of American Citizens realize that there are very serious problems at the Border and our immigration system is a disaster. Trump is trying to correct it; the Democrats are trying to turn Texas Blue with Illegal Immigrants.

What and who is right for America could not be clearer, and it is impossible for the New York Media (Pravda for Democrat/Socialists) to hide it.

America and Trump, who is the one clearly fighting FOR AMERICA, will win in the end.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Expect more reality show theatrics from Trump today. It works for his base, but watching Trump repeatedly fall in love with himself on TV has no effect on democrats.

 

[william the wie]

The two things Trump can't give the Ds without committing political suicide are:

open borders

and restoring unlimited SALT deduction

Guess what. If the Ds can't get one of those two things they will likely go the way of the Whigs

 

[Moonglow]

Can you prove every immigrant votes for the Dems?

Can you prove they don't. If I am wrong, why are dems fighting so hard?

Compassion?



.

Why are them dems fighting so hard? You tell me you are the one who knows everything and can't prove what he says.

 

[DOTR]

Trump needs the support of voters to swing his way and against the democrats. Otherwise, NP will always be a NO for the wall.

If he does nothing else but make these little commie rodent shits suffer until 2020, I will be satisfied.

I would consider RBG's replacement a bonus.

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What little commie rodent shits do you think are suffering?
TSA employees with no paychecks. Coast Guardsmen with no paychecks. Mean salary for a TSA employee: $40,000. Seaman: $29,000; Petty Officer $43,000.
TSA is there to keep bombs off our planes. Coast Guard pulls drowning people from the water. They make enough to put shoes on the kids' feet, but nothing fancy. In some places, you couldn't even live on it.
Like in California, where I heard on the radio this morning, the state wants to "loan" TSA employees some of their unemployment funds to get them by 'til they get their retroactive pay. Trump has forbidden it. The state says they're going to do it anyway.

Well old lady...another day another lie right? “Trump has forbidden it”. You’ve spent your life lying so why change now? Hell you got several lies in here.
California doesn’t want to loan anyone anything. They want to use federal unemployment funds. That’s what California does habitually...their every breath is funded by federal handouts.
But labor department laws forbid it. Trump hasn’t. The House of Reps can change the laws but of course Pelosi hasn’t budged on it.
So California has a big huge budget...they can set up payments for TSA if they like. Nobody...not even the God-man Trump, could stop them. But California will never do that unless somebody else pays.
You are the reason this county is ungovernable.

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[dcbl]

Coast Guard pulls drowning people from the water.

this is actally the one thing that I am very upset about

and Coasties do a lot more than that

Like in California, where I heard on the radio this morning, the state wants to "loan" TSA employees some of their unemployment funds to get them by 'til they get their retroactive pay. Trump has forbidden it. The state says they're going to do it anyway.

would you link up something on this?

Gov. Gavin Newsom offers unemployment benefits to TSA workers, defying Trump administration

interesting

if this was being done with state money, I would agree that the Trump Administration does not have a leg to stand on

however (from your article):

The state has said 779 federal workers applied for unemployment insurance benefits in the first week of the shutdown, marking a 200% increase from the same period the previous year. Under the system, states bill the federal government for the unemployment benefits provided to eligible federal workers. Weekly payments max out at about $450 a week, which workers must repay after the shutdown ends.

it would seem that Trump can block those benefit payments to reimburse Cali, at least until after the shutdown

if I had to bet, I would wager that we wind up getting some kind of a deal that allows everyone to save as much face as possible

I do not think we will see an end to this without some money (at least half of $5.7 B) for the wall & border security

 

[Thinker101]

Trump needs the support of voters to swing his way and against the democrats. Otherwise, NP will always be a NO for the wall.

If he does nothing else but make these little commie rodent shits suffer until 2020, I will be satisfied.

I would consider RBG's replacement a bonus.

.

What little commie rodent shits do you think are suffering?
TSA employees with no paychecks. Coast Guardsmen with no paychecks. Mean salary for a TSA employee: $40,000. Seaman: $29,000; Petty Officer $43,000.
TSA is there to keep bombs off our planes. Coast Guard pulls drowning people from the water. They make enough to put shoes on the kids' feet, but nothing fancy. In some places, you couldn't even live on it.
Like in California, where I heard on the radio this morning, the state wants to "loan" TSA employees some of their unemployment funds to get them by 'til they get their retroactive pay. Trump has forbidden it. The state says they're going to do it anyway.

Sure, someone has to pay taxes on text messages, water and air....dumbass.

 

[dcbl]

Last time I believe Dem wanted unlimited Chain migration and few other items? Trump would not be swindled. Go around them. You can't deal with this level of dishonest evil dems.

with this president, I doubt it

he has to give them something, but no way they get "everything they want"

Wonder if he will offer citizenship to millions again?
In that case incentive is everything.

Trump wasn't the one who offered citizenship to millions, was it?

actually yes he did

TRUMP TWEETS that he wants DACA amnesty and Dems DON’T!!!

Well, a Tweet oughta do it. Right?
I was thinking more along the lines of a valid offer made to reps of Congress, like happened a year ago and Trump rejected, two days after saying on national television that he would sign whatever Congress agreed to.
The Pres let us down. He would have gotten his 5B. He could have battled on for his other immigration reforms the next time. The Wall would be under construction by now.
But Trump said NO.

i think you are correct & that "chain migration" is a no go for Trump

I also know that this "great deal" that Trump rejected gave the Dems everything they wanted on the front end and stretched wall funding out over 10 years

 

[DOTR]

Trump needs the support of voters to swing his way and against the democrats. Otherwise, NP will always be a NO for the wall.

If he does nothing else but make these little commie rodent shits suffer until 2020, I will be satisfied.

I would consider RBG's replacement a bonus.

.

What little commie rodent shits do you think are suffering?
TSA employees with no paychecks. Coast Guardsmen with no paychecks. Mean salary for a TSA employee: $40,000. Seaman: $29,000; Petty Officer $43,000.
TSA is there to keep bombs off our planes. Coast Guard pulls drowning people from the water. They make enough to put shoes on the kids' feet, but nothing fancy. In some places, you couldn't even live on it.
Like in California, where I heard on the radio this morning, the state wants to "loan" TSA employees some of their unemployment funds to get them by 'til they get their retroactive pay. Trump has forbidden it. The state says they're going to do it anyway.

My son is a Coast Guard petty officer. And believe me they want the wall. Democrats will never break them. They fight human trafficking and drug smuggling every day.
And yes they pull drowning people out of the water. Now I know what you are going to say...people are going to drown anyway. People are going to drown when there are no Coast Guard nearby. But at least they do what they can...for low pay. Or no pay at the moment.

 

[Moonglow]

Last time I believe Dem wanted unlimited Chain migration and few other items? Trump would not be swindled. Go around them. You can't deal with this level of dishonest evil dems.

with this president, I doubt it

he has to give them something, but no way they get "everything they want"

Wonder if he will offer citizenship to millions again?
In that case incentive is everything.

Trump wasn't the one who offered citizenship to millions, was it?

actually yes he did

TRUMP TWEETS that he wants DACA amnesty and Dems DON’T!!!

Well, a Tweet oughta do it. Right?
I was thinking more along the lines of a valid offer made to reps of Congress, like happened a year ago and Trump rejected, two days after saying on national television that he would sign whatever Congress agreed to.
The Pres let us down. He would have gotten his 5B. He could have battled on for his other immigration reforms the next time. The Wall would be under construction by now.
But Trump said NO.

Reagan and Bush both set in motion the laws on chain migration but you still try to blame the wrong party. Since evidently they have you hoodwinked into believing a lie rich folks and corporations love the illegals they find them better workers than white people.

 

[Moonglow]

Trump needs the support of voters to swing his way and against the democrats. Otherwise, NP will always be a NO for the wall.

If he does nothing else but make these little commie rodent shits suffer until 2020, I will be satisfied.

I would consider RBG's replacement a bonus.

.

What little commie rodent shits do you think are suffering?
TSA employees with no paychecks. Coast Guardsmen with no paychecks. Mean salary for a TSA employee: $40,000. Seaman: $29,000; Petty Officer $43,000.
TSA is there to keep bombs off our planes. Coast Guard pulls drowning people from the water. They make enough to put shoes on the kids' feet, but nothing fancy. In some places, you couldn't even live on it.
Like in California, where I heard on the radio this morning, the state wants to "loan" TSA employees some of their unemployment funds to get them by 'til they get their retroactive pay. Trump has forbidden it. The state says they're going to do it anyway.

My son is a Coast Guard petty officer. And believe me they want the wall. Democrats will never break them. They fight human trafficking and drug smuggling every day.
And yes they pull drowning people out of the water. Now I know what you are going to say...people are going to drown anyway. People are going to drown when there are no Coast Guard nearby. But at least they do what they can...for low pay. Or no pay at the moment.

There already is a wall and a wall will not alleviate your son's activity on the water.