Trump plans to make Democrats an offer to end shutdown, not declare national emergency...

[bripat9643]

I do not expect he will offer anything of substance in his so-called deal. He's really shown colossal stupidity picking this fight that should have began and ended with his inability to get anything from a republican congress.

Trump did not have 60% of the votes you moron!

Hold on and let me check who runs the senate............yep it's still McConnell. You see the way the government is supposed to work is that the president asks congress for something. If they say no the president accepts that as the cost of leading a free country. This governing by other means is an insult to everything this country was founded on and more the stuff of despots.

Is that what happened when Congress said "no" to funding Obamacare?

 

[MACAULAY]

Last time I believe Dem wanted unlimited Chain migration and few other items? Trump would not be swindled. Go around them. You can't deal with this level of dishonest evil dems.

Wonder if he will offer citizenship to millions again?
In that case incentive is everything.

Trump wasn't the one who offered citizenship to millions, was it?

actually yes he did

TRUMP TWEETS that he wants DACA amnesty and Dems DON’T!!!

Well, a Tweet oughta do it. Right?
I was thinking more along the lines of a valid offer made to reps of Congress, like happened a year ago and Trump rejected, two days after saying on national television that he would sign whatever Congress agreed to.
The Pres let us down. He would have gotten his 5B. He could have battled on for his other immigration reforms the next time. The Wall would be under construction by now.
But Trump said NO.

Trump wanted to eliminate "chain migration" as he calls it and the diversity immigrant visa program. I heard the diversity program isn't all that popular and could probably be traded out, but the "chain migration" (it has a more polite name, but I couldn't find it) has been the reason that many many legal immigrants have gotten to this country over the years and stopping that program now--I don't really think there are even enough Republicans to approve it, let alone Dems.

__________

The Chain Migration Con winds up bringing in 20 or so relatives, nieces, great neices, in-laws and their neices and great nieces, cousins etc.

Trump, very rationally wanted to limit it to immediate families_ sons, daughters, mothers, fathers, husbands, wives.

But, that wouldn't have made up a large enough supply of new Socialists Voters to suit them, so they said NO.

The facts are your enemy, Old Lady, so I don't blame you one bit for running from them. At this you do excel.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I do not expect he will offer anything of substance in his so-called deal. He's really shown colossal stupidity picking this fight that should have began and ended with his inability to get anything from a republican congress.

Trump did not have 60% of the votes you moron!

he had about 30% of the vote

Are we doubling down on somebody else's ignorance?

there are 235 million legal age voters and trump got what,,,62 million???

closer to 25%

Hey, shit dumbass! If you don't smoke, are you a smoker? No. Of course not!

If you don't vote, you are not a voter.

You must be a progressive hunter for mating purposes, because you are dumber than they are!

 

[progressive hunter]

I do not expect he will offer anything of substance in his so-called deal. He's really shown colossal stupidity picking this fight that should have began and ended with his inability to get anything from a republican congress.

Trump did not have 60% of the votes you moron!

he had about 30% of the vote

Are we doubling down on somebody else's ignorance?

there are 235 million legal age voters and trump got what,,,62 million???

closer to 25%

Hey, shit dumbass! If you don't smoke, are you a smoker? No. Of course not!

If you don't vote, you are not a voter.

You must be a progressive hunter for mating purposes, because you are dumber than they are!

they are still legal voters,,, what you are referring to is votes cast

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

no doubt one way or another trump will give the dems exactly what they want

with this president, I doubt it

he has to give them something, but no way they get "everything they want"

Wonder if he will offer citizenship to millions again?
In that case incentive is everything.

Trump wasn't the one who offered citizenship to millions, was it?

actually yes he did

TRUMP TWEETS that he wants DACA amnesty and Dems DON’T!!!

Well, a Tweet oughta do it. Right?
I was thinking more along the lines of a valid offer made to reps of Congress, like happened a year ago and Trump rejected, two days after saying on national television that he would sign whatever Congress agreed to.
The Pres let us down. He would have gotten his 5B. He could have battled on for his other immigration reforms the next time. The Wall would be under construction by now.
But Trump said NO.

When did he veto the bill passed by Congress?

Why do you lie?

BTW, the wall is under construction.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Trump did not have 60% of the votes you moron!

he had about 30% of the vote

Are we doubling down on somebody else's ignorance?

there are 235 million legal age voters and trump got what,,,62 million???

closer to 25%

you are just being a jacksas!

Hey, shit dumbass! If you don't smoke, are you a smoker? No. Of course not!

If you don't vote, you are not a voter.

You must be a progressive hunter for mating purposes, because you are dumber than they are!

they are still legal voters,,, what you are referring to is votes cast

No, you are being a jackass.

 

[progressive hunter]

he had about 30% of the vote

Are we doubling down on somebody else's ignorance?

there are 235 million legal age voters and trump got what,,,62 million???

closer to 25%

you are just being a jacksas!

Hey, shit dumbass! If you don't smoke, are you a smoker? No. Of course not!

If you don't vote, you are not a voter.

You must be a progressive hunter for mating purposes, because you are dumber than they are!

they are still legal voters,,, what you are referring to is votes cast

No, you are being a jackass.

doesnt mean its not true

 

[LordBrownTrout]

The dems are being exposed for their opposition to america. The press conference just keeps the spotlight on the dems continued obstruction.

 

[shockedcanadian]

I do not expect he will offer anything of substance in his so-called deal. He's really shown colossal stupidity picking this fight that should have began and ended with his inability to get anything from a republican congress.

What are Dims offering "of substance?" $5 billion is only a fifth of what it will take to build a complete border wall.

If they go with the steel slats solution I believe it will cover it all and have additional funds for manpower and technologies.

 

[Pilot1]

Trump will not give them amnesty like Reagan did. The Democrats lied, and Reagan got burnt. However, Trump is a master negotiator. He will give them just enough to save some face. Just enough so they can say they won something, but it will not be that significant. The Dems better take it, or continue to look like they value ILLEGAL aliens over American CITIZENS.

 

[dcbl]

Nate Silver
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Per this reporting, what Trump would offer is the BRIDGE Act, which is a lot different than the Dream Act and wouldn't provide a pathway to citizenship.

 

[OldLady]

Last time I believe Dem wanted unlimited Chain migration and few other items? Trump would not be swindled. Go around them. You can't deal with this level of dishonest evil dems.

Trump wasn't the one who offered citizenship to millions, was it?

actually yes he did

TRUMP TWEETS that he wants DACA amnesty and Dems DON’T!!!

Well, a Tweet oughta do it. Right?
I was thinking more along the lines of a valid offer made to reps of Congress, like happened a year ago and Trump rejected, two days after saying on national television that he would sign whatever Congress agreed to.
The Pres let us down. He would have gotten his 5B. He could have battled on for his other immigration reforms the next time. The Wall would be under construction by now.
But Trump said NO.

Trump wanted to eliminate "chain migration" as he calls it and the diversity immigrant visa program. I heard the diversity program isn't all that popular and could probably be traded out, but the "chain migration" (it has a more polite name, but I couldn't find it) has been the reason that many many legal immigrants have gotten to this country over the years and stopping that program now--I don't really think there are even enough Republicans to approve it, let alone Dems.

__________

The Chain Migration Con winds up bringing in 20 or so relatives, nieces, great neices, in-laws and their neices and great nieces, cousins etc.

Trump, very rationally wanted to limit it to immediate families_ sons, daughters, mothers, fathers, husbands, wives.

But, that wouldn't have made up a large enough supply of new Socialists Voters to suit them, so they said NO.

The facts are your enemy, Old Lady, so I don't blame you one bit for running from them. At this you do excel.

I never said your facts weren't correct. The way it becomes nieces, in-laws, etc. is because once those nuclear family members, such as parents, are here, then they can request their nuclear family members, which end up being uncles, aunts, and then nephews of the original folks let in. It isn't that chain migration allows everyone to bring in their cousins.

 

[OldLady]

with this president, I doubt it

he has to give them something, but no way they get "everything they want"

Wonder if he will offer citizenship to millions again?
In that case incentive is everything.

Trump wasn't the one who offered citizenship to millions, was it?

actually yes he did

TRUMP TWEETS that he wants DACA amnesty and Dems DON’T!!!

Well, a Tweet oughta do it. Right?
I was thinking more along the lines of a valid offer made to reps of Congress, like happened a year ago and Trump rejected, two days after saying on national television that he would sign whatever Congress agreed to.
The Pres let us down. He would have gotten his 5B. He could have battled on for his other immigration reforms the next time. The Wall would be under construction by now.
But Trump said NO.

When did he veto the bill passed by Congress?

Why do you lie?

BTW, the wall is under construction.

Were you living in a cave that week? I am not lying.

 

[Jitss617]

Why aren’t we arresting democrats for treason. We are literally being invaded , They are trying to overthrow our government

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Trump needs the support of voters to swing his way and against the democrats. Otherwise, NP will always be a NO for the wall.

If he does nothing else but make these little commie rodent shits suffer until 2020, I will be satisfied.

I would consider RBG's replacement a bonus.

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What little commie rodent shits do you think are suffering?
TSA employees with no paychecks. Coast Guardsmen with no paychecks. Mean salary for a TSA employee: $40,000. Seaman: $29,000; Petty Officer $43,000.
TSA is there to keep bombs off our planes. Coast Guard pulls drowning people from the water. They make enough to put shoes on the kids' feet, but nothing fancy. In some places, you couldn't even live on it.
Like in California, where I heard on the radio this morning, the state wants to "loan" TSA employees some of their unemployment funds to get them by 'til they get their retroactive pay. Trump has forbidden it. The state says they're going to do it anyway.

My son is a Coast Guard petty officer. And believe me they want the wall. Democrats will never break them. They fight human trafficking and drug smuggling every day.
And yes they pull drowning people out of the water. Now I know what you are going to say...people are going to drown anyway. People are going to drown when there are no Coast Guard nearby. But at least they do what they can...for low pay. Or no pay at the moment.

There already is a wall and a wall will not alleviate your son's activity on the water.

There are many places on the border where it looks like your front yard, with nothing to limit anyone from crossing.

Why do you lie?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Wonder if he will offer citizenship to millions again?
In that case incentive is everything.

Trump wasn't the one who offered citizenship to millions, was it?

actually yes he did

TRUMP TWEETS that he wants DACA amnesty and Dems DON’T!!!

Well, a Tweet oughta do it. Right?
I was thinking more along the lines of a valid offer made to reps of Congress, like happened a year ago and Trump rejected, two days after saying on national television that he would sign whatever Congress agreed to.
The Pres let us down. He would have gotten his 5B. He could have battled on for his other immigration reforms the next time. The Wall would be under construction by now.
But Trump said NO.

When did he veto the bill passed by Congress?

Why do you lie?

BTW, the wall is under construction.

Were you living in a cave that week? I am not lying.

Great! Show me a link to Trump vetoing the bill.

 

[shockedcanadian]

Trump will not give them amnesty like Reagan did. The Democrats lied, and Reagan got burnt. However, Trump is a master negotiator. He will give them just enough to save some face. Just enough so they can say they won something, but it will not be that significant. The Dems better take it, or continue to look like they value ILLEGAL aliens over American CITIZENS.

It's far worse for the Dems now, as Trump is pulling rank and saying, "no soup for you". No trips. No little function with big donors and lobbyists. In fact, no acknowledgment that they are even in government since he will just ignore or veto everything. I saw the faces of Shiff and Pelosi after their trip was cancelled, it was sheer shock and maybe the realization finally of the kind of hardball Trump is willing to play.

Just as in dealing with China, or Canada/Mexico, if Trump and America stick to their guns, you cannot lose. Yes, some will blame him, but far more, I think 89% of Republican voters support his stance and want a wall/barrier. This will be huge for him in 2020. He could literally hold off on govt. until 2020 and put the vote back up for a wall and he'd probably get a Super Majority to ensure it is put up without any interference.

The kind of approval he is receiving from his own party voters is unmatched in history. Also, Indenpedents are saying, "this is the Maverick we've been waiting for to get behind". Only those living in the bubble of LA, NY and Washington want the Status Quo, any time, any issue that Trump confronts that rocks the boat and the Status Quo, in general, is a gain for him outside those three regions

 

[OldLady]

Trump wasn't the one who offered citizenship to millions, was it?

actually yes he did

TRUMP TWEETS that he wants DACA amnesty and Dems DON’T!!!

Well, a Tweet oughta do it. Right?
I was thinking more along the lines of a valid offer made to reps of Congress, like happened a year ago and Trump rejected, two days after saying on national television that he would sign whatever Congress agreed to.
The Pres let us down. He would have gotten his 5B. He could have battled on for his other immigration reforms the next time. The Wall would be under construction by now.
But Trump said NO.

When did he veto the bill passed by Congress?

Why do you lie?

BTW, the wall is under construction.

Were you living in a cave that week? I am not lying.

Great! Show me a link to Trump vetoing the bill.

He refused the deal in negotiations. Remember? I never said he vetoed a bill. You did.

 

[Pilot1]

He refused the deal in negotiations. Remember?

You mean Schumer right?

 

[OldLady]

Why not a border barrier (wall, fence,whatever)?

Many say because it will be ineffective. Many think it's a necessity and will be effective. My question to those against the border barrier is what harm will it do? Is it really worth keeping the government "shut down" to say no to the border barrier.

Lets be real, both sides have the power to end the government shutdown. Trump can cave in, but then there will certainly not be funding for more border barrier. NP and the house can end the shutdown for 2-3 billion for new border barrier, a lot of money, but hardly a blip on total national spending.

The truth is that the fight is not really about the border barrier, it's about the presidential election in 2020. If Trump fights and gets his "wall", his chance of winning reelection increases greatly. If he had caved in December, like he almost did, he could had kissed his chances of reelection goodbye because he would have lost his base. And of course the real reason NP and the dems don't want to appropriate money for the border barrier is that it would be a win for Trump, possibly giving him a second term. They want a dem sitting in the oval.

If someone could wave a magic wand and remove the politics of the next presidential election, a compromise would be quite easy to reach and the shutdown would be over.

what harm will it do?
$5B wasted.
This is 1B. Multiply by 5.

That's chump change compared to a $4 trillion budget.

My school district in Florida had a budget more then the what he is asking for the border wall! There would be 6 times those pallets full of money depicted above, and that was 10 years ago.

I didn't SAY I was against funding it, but I am against calling that much money chump change. This is how we get into a $4 trillion budget, by saying "Well, relatively....."
I'm perfectly okay with funding the Wall, btw.