Trump orders new census that does NOT count illegal immigrants

[Hafar1014]

Not in the rule book.

Democrats tried to use illegals to replace populations they lost in their states. They opened the border and created sanctuary cities to attract them to their states to replace citizens who got sick of the high taxes, crime homeless, poor schools and houses they cant afford.
So what happened illegals increased crime lowered wages and drove up housing costs and taxes.

 

[Mac-7]

They do not rule over anyone. They are servants of the Constitution.

Take it up with the Founders.

Clearly the courts are in very low repute

 

[Correll]

The GOP has tried to do this before and failed, but now they control the house and senate and it should go thru. This is long long overdue.

BREAKING: Trump orders new census that does NOT count illegal immigrants

“People who are in our Country illegally WILL NOT BE COUNTED IN THE CENSUS.”

thepostmillennial.com

Good. Show the leftards no mercy.

 

[Rogue AI]

LOL! Nice pieces of diversion and whataboutism..but has Jackshit to do with the actual topic.
This is not a tit-for-tat issue...nor is it a 'you guys do it all the time' issues.

Read the Constitution...and weep.

Really? Your silly deflection from reality is exactly the point. In the instance of protecting political power and aiding their illegal alien pets liberals seek a strict adherence to text. At the same time same said liberals support loose or often contradictory 'interpretation' of plain and unambiguous text. The easier argument here is such act is what Congress is actually for, not the opposite as you argue.

 

[Correll]

It's unconstitutional.

Hilarious to see a leftard pretend to care about the Constitution.

 

[Anomalism]

It's unconstitutional.

Can you be more specific? Collecting information on how much of our population is citizens is unconstitutional?

 

[Zincwarrior]

Nonsense, while activist liberal judges might attempt to create an issue, as an act of Congress then signed by the President it is little different than the myriad existing laws, such as gun control.

Which means less than nothing vs., the actual Consititution.

They can do a Census like this, but its literally worthless. MAGA doesn't mind wasting money though.

 

[22lcidw]

The SC is accountable to the Constitution not public opinion.

The Constitution told us what money was. This fiat currency is debt or negative money. It exists on velocity of loans, or it did. We started to lose control around 1970 or so. The 1960's legislations and agendas taking affect and piling on. As the years go on the payouts get higher. This affected states, cities and local areas also. So, when D.C. screams of inequities it is all based on the fiat currency doled out. The Constitution of the United States was not about this. It was about freedoms, warts and all.

 

[Hafar1014]

My desires are not relevant.

Reality says the Constitution SPECIFICALLY says apportionment based on the number of persons.

Don't like it? Change the Constitution.

WW

We dont have to all we need is bill which is in the house. Person means legal voters not illegal invaders. The SC can also rule on it and since the GOP is in control expect illegals not to be counted assuming any are still her in 2030

 

[martybegan]

I doubt that this is going to happen anytime soon--as it would face considerable Constitutional challenges.


The U.S. Constitution, Article I, Section 2, Clause 3, states:



And the 14th Amendment, Section 2, reaffirms:



This includes citizens and non-citizens alike—legal permanent residents, visa holders, and undocumented immigrants.

The Supreme Court has never upheld an interpretation that allows the federal government to exclude non-citizens from the decennial census for purposes of apportionment. In fact, legal precedent affirms that:

All persons residing in the U.S. must be counted, regardless of citizenship status.

The U.S. Constitution mandates counting the “whole number of persons” in each state for apportionment.
This does not permit restricting the census count to only U.S. citizens.

Any attempt to exclude non-citizens would almost certainly face significant constitutional challenges and is inconsistent with existing legal interpretation.

It will face Constitutional challenges, but that's the point of getting the ball rolling.

Exhibit Q of why we need an Article V convention.

 

[alang1216]

The GOP has tried to do this before and failed, but now they control the house and senate and it should go thru. This is long long overdue.

There are an estimated 2.1 million illegals in Texas. Wouldn't it be ironic if they lost 5 Congressional seats after the next census?

 

[Zincwarrior]

No need to 'subvert' the constitution, I think they should be counted so we know how many are here, but that doesn't mean their numbers need to be used in any way to increase congressional representation or electoral college votes.

Again, what you think means nothing. The Constitution says otherwise.

 

[martybegan]

The SC is accountable to the Constitution not public opinion.

Then why did we get crap decisions like Plessey, Roe and Obergfell?

 

[1srelluc]

**** off douche---your contrived hair-on fire BS...is apparent to all..and weak..very weak.

You don't mention the Constitutional argument..because you cannot rebut it..simple as that.
So you resort to high school pejorative..as an inadequate substitute for cogent rebuttal.

So where does the Constitution mention counting foreign invaders smart guy?

 

[80zephyr]

I doubt that this is going to happen anytime soon--as it would face considerable Constitutional challenges.


The U.S. Constitution, Article I, Section 2, Clause 3, states:



And the 14th Amendment, Section 2, reaffirms:



This includes citizens and non-citizens alike—legal permanent residents, visa holders, and undocumented immigrants.

The Supreme Court has never upheld an interpretation that allows the federal government to exclude non-citizens from the decennial census for purposes of apportionment. In fact, legal precedent affirms that:

All persons residing in the U.S. must be counted, regardless of citizenship status.

The U.S. Constitution mandates counting the “whole number of persons” in each state for apportionment.
This does not permit restricting the census count to only U.S. citizens.

Any attempt to exclude non-citizens would almost certainly face significant constitutional challenges and is inconsistent with existing legal interpretation.

All people have to be counted. Do non citizens count when figuring out congressional seats?

 

[Zincwarrior]

It will face Constitutional challenges, but that's the point of getting the ball rolling.

Exhibit Q of why we need an Article V convention.

i'D LOVE A CONVENTION. It would wipe out state based representation, restrict the Power of the Executive back to what it was meant to be, add a balanced budget requirement. Noice!

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

Really? Your silly deflection from reality is exactly the point. In the instance of protecting political power and aiding their illegal alien pets liberals seek a strict adherence to text. At the same time same said liberals support loose or often contradictory 'interpretation' of plain and unambiguous text. The easier argument here is such act is what Congress is actually for, not the opposite as you argue.

I do not..and have never....speak for 'Liberals'. That's some stupid shit that you guys transfer to my posts so you can fit your knee-jerk responses to the issues.

As for the Constitution..I support, and I always have supported, the 'living document' interpretation of the US Constitution.

However, no matter how hard I squint, I can't see this issue as being subject to any 'alternative' interpretation.

An amendment is the legal answer...same as with birthright citizenship.

 

[Zincwarrior]

So where does the Constitution mention counting foreign invaders smart guy?

Here you go since you refuse to read your own Constitution.
Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons. The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct. The number of Representatives shall not exceed one for every thirty Thousand, but each State shall have at Least one Representative; and until such enumeration shall be made, the State of New Hampshire shall be entitled to chuse [sic] three, Massachusetts eight, Rhode-Island and Providence Plantations one, Connecticut five, New-York six, New Jersey four, Pennsylvania eight, Delaware one, Maryland six, Virginia ten, North Carolina five, South Carolina five, and Georgia three.

 

[martybegan]

So where does the Constitution mention counting foreign invaders smart guy?

The issue is the census part just says free persons, including those in prison.

Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.

At least the 14th amendment uses the qualifier "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" which gives us wiggle room on the birthright citizenship thing.

More reasons for an Article V convention.

 

[1srelluc]

Here you go since you refuse to read your own Constitution.
Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons. The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct. The number of Representatives shall not exceed one for every thirty Thousand, but each State shall have at Least one Representative; and until such enumeration shall be made, the State of New Hampshire shall be entitled to chuse [sic] three, Massachusetts eight, Rhode-Island and Providence Plantations one, Connecticut five, New-York six, New Jersey four, Pennsylvania eight, Delaware one, Maryland six, Virginia ten, North Carolina five, South Carolina five, and Georgia three.

Illegal invaders may roam "free" but when they are caught they are detained/deported....So, not so free.