Trump orders new census that does NOT count illegal immigrants

[TemplarKormac]

No, that does not follow. The 'whole number' is everyone. It does not say or indicate illegals are excluded from the census.

It should follow.

If illegals can't vote in elections, especially in House races, it should serve to show their presence here should not be allowed to influence the number of House seats.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Your right, of course. But it has to be done by Amendment.

I think you're overcomplicating it. A law passed by Congress would remedy it, if that were really what's needed.

 

[toobfreak]

All persons residing in the U.S. must be counted, regardless of citizenship status.

If Germany or Japan had invaded us during WWII, I bet those census takers would have felt silly trying to take a census of foreign soldiers in tanks just because they were within our boundaries. But you know, rules are rules!

This does not permit restricting the census count to only U.S. citizens.

Whoops! Another example of the Founders screwing over their own country! Then again, if we base everything on a census of only people who legally belong here, that would give states motivation to round up and deport illegals.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Nah. Your peeps. Your party. Like the Klanners. Your heritage.

American enslavers were always conservatives, far to the right. During the Revolutionary War, almost all American loyalists to the king were conservatives.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

I think you're overcomplicating it. A law passed by Congress would remedy it, if that were really what's needed.

Maybe but it would have to pass SCOTUS scrutiny, I think.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Maybe but it would have to pass SCOTUS scrutiny, I think.

Maybe. Maybe not. Not everything has an overwhelming need to be litigated.

 

[StatesRightsForever]

Maybe but it would have to pass SCOTUS scrutiny, I think.

What makes you think unelected judges have final say on every issue.? Nothing in the constitution says that.

 

[scruffy]

Again, what you think means nothing. The Constitution says otherwise.

Oh look, suddenly leftards care about the Constitution.

 

[Rambunctious]

The GOP has tried to do this before and failed, but now they control the house and senate and it should go thru. This is long long overdue.

BREAKING: Trump orders new census that does NOT count illegal immigrants

“People who are in our Country illegally WILL NOT BE COUNTED IN THE CENSUS.”

thepostmillennial.com

This would end the democrat party in our county... and the dems are scared to death....

 

[Correll]

Not as hilarious as you finally admitting you don't.

I stand by my point. YOu leftards hate America and the constitution.

When you pretend to care about it, you are lying.

 

[Doc7505]

Illegal Aliens Rig The Census For Blue States, And Trump Is Right To Correct It​

Illegals Rig The Census For Dems, And Trump Is Right To Correct It

The American citizen pays the price in diluted representation when illegal aliens are counted in the census.

thefederalist.com

7 Aug 2026 ~~ By Brianna Lyman

President Donald Trump announced Thursday he instructed the Commerce Department to begin working on a census that does not include illegal aliens. It’s a long-overdue correction to a system that Democrats have exploited for years to tip the balance of power in Washington.
~Snip~
Trump previously signed a memo in 2020 that barred illegal aliens from being counted in the census. The memo was challenged and made its way to the Supreme Court, which ultimately did not rule on the merits as to whether all residents — regardless of their legal status — must be counted and if the president has the authority to exclude nonresidents.
The high court however did rule in the 1976 decision Mathews v. Diaz, a case regarding the Social Security Act, that while illegal immigrants are entitled to due process protections under the Fifth and 14th Amendments, they are not entitled to the benefits of citizenship.
If voting, which is a benefit exclusively for citizens, is off-limits to illegal immigrants, it would be hard to imagine that illegal immigrants should be empowered to dilute the weight of a vote by artificially expanding the population and increasing the representational advantage of one area while taking it away from another area that is populated by legal residents. And yet, thanks to Democrats, that’s exactly what they’re doing.
~Snip~
Counting illegal alien in the census skews congressional apportionment and the electoral college — and the American citizen pays the price in diluted representation and misallocated resources.

Commentary:
It would be fascinating to repeat the census to discover just how many illegal aliens are actually in the US.
However, at this stage and recent events, illegal aliens and visa overstays might not fill out the census forms,
That could also hurt democrats in the redistricting and number of Representatives sent to State legislations and Congress.
They entered illegally. They do not have legal rights in the US because they are not US citizens.
There is no defense for that.
Catch and release to home country!

 

[scruffy]

I doubt that this is going to happen anytime soon--as it would face considerable Constitutional challenges.


The U.S. Constitution, Article I, Section 2, Clause 3, states:



And the 14th Amendment, Section 2, reaffirms:



This includes citizens and non-citizens alike—legal permanent residents, visa holders, and undocumented immigrants.

The Supreme Court has never upheld an interpretation that allows the federal government to exclude non-citizens from the decennial census for purposes of apportionment. In fact, legal precedent affirms that:

All persons residing in the U.S. must be counted, regardless of citizenship status.

The U.S. Constitution mandates counting the “whole number of persons” in each state for apportionment.
This does not permit restricting the census count to only U.S. citizens.

Any attempt to exclude non-citizens would almost certainly face significant constitutional challenges and is inconsistent with existing legal interpretation.

There's nothing in the Constitution that says the federal census has to be used to apportion state districts.

 

[Correll]

American enslavers were always conservatives, far to the right. During the Revolutionary War, almost all American loyalists to the king were conservatives.

I like the way you are playing dumb here. It makes you look dumb.

 

[Godboy]

It is true.

Article I, Section 2, Clause 3

"the whole number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons"

Trump already removed them with an executive order (at the end of his first term), but then Biden was elected and he used an executive order to reverse it, but Biden wont be there to reverse it this time.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Let's see what happens.

 

[Dragonlady]

Liberals will howl at the very notion of the government serving the interest of the People over their foreign pets.

Immigrants are PEOPLE, moron.

The US economy has always been dependent on a large pool of underpaid foreign workers/slaves, who can be exploited and then deported.

First the slaves, then Chinese “guest workers” who were not allowed to apply for citizenship, and then illegal immigrants.

Your economy collapsed when Trump closed the border during Covid, and it’s collapsing now under the weight of mass deportations and tariffs.

You’re the ones who are howling now.

 

[Correll]

Immigrants are PEOPLE, moron.

Leftards pretends to not understand the usage of the term, "The People", as a reference to AMERICA.

The US economy has always been dependent on a large pool of underpaid foreign workers/slaves, who can be exploited and then deported.

No it wasn't.

First the slaves

Regional, and not deported. It is worth noting that hte south lagged economically until very recently. So, slaves did not build this country. Also, not deported, so that was dumb.

, then Chinese “guest workers” who were not allowed to apply for citizenship,

Even more limited regionally.

and then illegal immigrants.

Good for cheap and greedy employers, not for the nation as a whole.

Your economy collapsed when Trump closed the border during Covid, and it’s collapsing now under the weight of mass deportations and tariffs.

You’re the ones who are howling now.

Teh economy is doing fine.

 

[Crepitus]

I stand by my point. YOu leftards hate America and the constitution.

When you pretend to care about it, you are lying.

I stand by my point, You kids are finally admitting you don't.

 

[Crepitus]

Trump already removed them with an executive order (at the end of his first term), but then Biden was elected and he used an executive order to reverse it, but Biden wont be there to reverse it this time.

You cannot change the constitution by executive order.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

The Constitution tells the President what to do, not the other way.