Trump orders new census that does NOT count illegal immigrants

[CrusaderFrank]

Article I, Section 2, Clause 3 was modified by the 14th Amendment, Section 2.

WW

....and Illegals Aliens, who could all be deported tomorrow, still aren't Free Persons. You see that, right?

You're not a "Free Person" if you have no business here in the first place

 

[Rawley]

Lol, Nope. those were conservatives. I'm a liberal.

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Nah. Your peeps. Your party. Like the Klanners. Your heritage.

 

[Crepitus]

Article I, Section 2, Clause 3 was modified by the 14th Amendment, Section 2.

WW

You are correct, my friend. My apologies.

 

[Doc7505]

I don't have an issue with what Trump wants to do. I get that some might see it as controversial, but on the surface, it's just data. Are people worried about us knowing the truth?

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Leftists Flip Out as President Trump Orders New Census That Would Exclude Illegals –​

Up To 30 Democrat House Seats Could Evaporate​

Leftists Flip Out as President Trump Orders New Census That Would Exclude Illegals - Up To 30 Democrat House Seats Could Evaporate | The Gateway Pundit | by Cullen Linebarger

President Trump triggered the left again with an announcement Thursday morning that could threaten the Democrats’ hold on several congressional seats and electoral votes.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

7 Aug 2025 ~~ By Cullen Linebarger

President Trump triggered the left again with an announcement Thursday morning that could threaten the Democrats’ hold on several congressional seats and electoral votes.

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/114987220997209419

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The result could prove devastating to the Democratic Party. Here’s why:

The census count is used to apportion House seats, determine the number of votes each state gets in the Electoral College for selecting the president, and drive the flow of trillions of dollars in government funds.​

Red states would have benefited under the administration’s desired census counting shift. Had authorities excluded such migrants from the 2010 census, Louisiana, Missouri, Montana, Ohio and North Carolina all would have gained one seat in the House, while California would have lost three seats, and Texas and Florida would have each lost one seat – with the total number of Electoral College votes allotted each state changing accordingly.​

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Commentary:
Power hungry DSA Marxist Democrats are so used to playing on a field tilted towards their favor, they consider it cheating now by just leveling the playing field.
To paraphrase Thomas Sowell When a certain class of people have grown accustomed to special treatment then equal treatment feels like discrimination.
Equality to DSA Democrats' means always being told “yes”. Being told “no” for anything means they are being discriminated against, in their view. Confirming their false idea of victimization.
Us old bombers guys used to say; "The flak is always thickest when you're right one the target.". Must have hit a nerve with this one!

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Nope, I do not believe we do if you look at illegals as invaders which is exactly what they are.

Should Ukraine count Soviet soldiers in their census?

The Constitution is not a suicide note.

 

[Crepitus]

Nah. Your peeps. Your party. Like the Klanners. Your heritage.

 

[Freedomisneverfree]

The GOP has tried to do this before and failed, but now they control the house and senate and it should go thru. This is long long overdue.

BREAKING: Trump orders new census that does NOT count illegal immigrants

“People who are in our Country illegally WILL NOT BE COUNTED IN THE CENSUS.”

thepostmillennial.com

Good! 'bout time

 

[WorldWatcher]

Open question. And also where they should be counted.

You might want to read this

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/20pdf/20-366_7647.pdf

Thank you, I did. It was a process order, not on the merits.

"At the end of the day, the standing and ripeness inquiries both lead to the conclusion that judicial resolution of this dispute is premature. Consistent with our determination that standing has not been shown and that the case is not ripe, we express no view on the merits of the constitutional and related statutory claims presented. We hold only that they are not suitable for adjudication at this time."

Basically the President can ask for anything he wants, it's what he does with it that will be the basis of a merits decision.

WW

 

[Doc7505]

United States Constitution Amendment 14 Section 2:
"Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States
according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in
each State, excluding Indians not taxed. "

That will need a Constitutional amendment.

WW

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Indeed, there's no reference to illegal aliens, meaning that only citizens are considered. Therefore, legally excluding illegal aliens have no standing when apportioning Representatives.
IMO, Democrat Leftists are attempting to use illegal aliens as they did slaves in apportionment.
World you prefer illegals be considered three-fifths in apportionment??

 

[Rawley]

Thank you, I did. It was a process order, not on the merits.

"At the end of the day, the standing and ripeness inquiries both lead to the conclusion that judicial resolution of this dispute is premature. Consistent with our determination that standing has not been shown and that the case is not ripe, we express no view on the merits of the constitutional and related statutory claims presented. We hold only that they are not suitable for adjudication at this time."

Basically the President can ask for anything he wants, it's what he does with it that will be the basis of a merits decision.

WW

The challenge was dismissed. They could have decided on the merits (did you read the dissent?) but they chose not to.

 

[Rogue AI]

I already pointed out they've been counting illegal aliens since at least 1809. So you're on the wrong side of history

You need to look at the data. The number of people counted does not equate to the number seats created by apportionment per the laws at the time. Do the math, and you'll see you are simply wrong.

 

[Rogue AI]

Just because the constitution grants to congress certain powers, unless specifically enumerated, they do not have the reciprocal power.

Such as congress has the power to subpoena.
It doesn't have to power to nullify a subpoena.

That isn't what happened nor what I claimed.

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

Indians not taxed were exempted, Indians taxed would be.

WW

You entertain me. Thank you.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Let's back up a minute.

US Constitution Article I, Section 2, Clause 4

The Constitution calls for a a census within every 10 year term. The CONGRESS gets to decide by law the Census and it's application.

UNITED STATE CODE Section 141 (Passed by Congress)

Defines the decennial census to be every 10 years. The last being in 2020.

In the same law, para (d)

Congress said we can do a mid-decade census.

Finally, in para (e) Congress said...

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So at the end of the day Trump can conduct a mid-decade census, but it cannot be used to change the approtionment of Representatives to the House or in drawing Congressional Districts. That would literally take an act of Congress (which can be done, but not by the President alone) to change the United States Code and the usage of mid-decade Census data.

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The United States Constitution – The U.S. Constitution Online – USConstitution.net – usconstitution.net

www.usconstitution.net

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13 U.S. Code § 141 - Population and other census information

www.law.cornell.edu

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Should Ukraine count Soviet soldiers in their census?

The Constitution is not a suicide note.

That's great!

Russians should vote in the next Ukrainian Presidential election!

 

[EvilCat Breath]

That's great!

Russians should vote in the next Ukrainian Presidential election!

They are present in Ukraine! Count them.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

No, that does not follow. The 'whole number' is everyone. It does not say or indicate illegals are excluded from the census.

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Indeed, there's no reference to illegal aliens, meaning that only citizens are considered. Therefore, legally excluding illegal aliens have no standing when apportioning Representatives.
IMO, Democrat Leftists are attempting to use illegal aliens as they did slaves in apportionment.
World you prefer illegals be considered three-fifths in apportionment??

 

[Anomalism]

When the census impacts how many House seats each state gets, it's not 'just' data. It has an enormous impact on how the democratic process behaves nationwide.

Should illegal populations contribute to the number of house seats?

 

[TemplarKormac]

Should illegal populations contribute to the number of house seats?

No, they shouldn't.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

No, they shouldn't.

Your right, of course. But it has to be done by Amendment.