Trump orders new census that does NOT count illegal immigrants

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Wrong, I have read it, the courts have accepted it, and history has proven it.

Don't ignore territorial governance, that also plays a significant factor here. All under the watchful eyes of the very men who wrote the Constitution. This ridiculous liberal attempt to play at textualism through revisionist history will fail utterly and be exposed for the fraud it is.

You have demonstrated you don't grok the Constitution.

Sit down, be quiet now, and learn.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

The GOP has tried to do this before and failed, but now they control the house and senate and it should go thru. This is long long overdue.

BREAKING: Trump orders new census that does NOT count illegal immigrants

“People who are in our Country illegally WILL NOT BE COUNTED IN THE CENSUS.”

thepostmillennial.com

So bypass the Constitution, again.

 

[22lcidw]

I doubt that this is going to happen anytime soon--as it would face considerable Constitutional challenges.


The U.S. Constitution, Article I, Section 2, Clause 3, states:



And the 14th Amendment, Section 2, reaffirms:



This includes citizens and non-citizens alike—legal permanent residents, visa holders, and undocumented immigrants.

The Supreme Court has never upheld an interpretation that allows the federal government to exclude non-citizens from the decennial census for purposes of apportionment. In fact, legal precedent affirms that:

All persons residing in the U.S. must be counted, regardless of citizenship status.

The U.S. Constitution mandates counting the “whole number of persons” in each state for apportionment.
This does not permit restricting the census count to only U.S. citizens.

Any attempt to exclude non-citizens would almost certainly face significant constitutional challenges and is inconsistent with existing legal interpretation.

You really do not like Trump going Prog on the Progs. You like the taste? Little by little they are withering your cheating or attempting to.

 

[candycorn]

The GOP has tried to do this before and failed, but now they control the house and senate and it should go thru. This is long long overdue.

BREAKING: Trump orders new census that does NOT count illegal immigrants

“People who are in our Country illegally WILL NOT BE COUNTED IN THE CENSUS.”

thepostmillennial.com

 

[WorldWatcher]

Because it was changed by Congress.

The taxation was changed by Congress. Not the "Indians not taxed".

Again, that exception applied ONLY to Indians Someone from Mexico, El Salvador, Phillipines, China, Germany, South Sudan - wouldn't qualify as an Indian in any way.

WW

 

[WorldWatcher]

Indians are not persons?

Didn't say they weren't. But the CONSTITUTION exempted them for a time considering Indian Nations to be (a) non-citizens, and (b) living in their own sovereign nations.

WW

 

[protectionist]

I doubt that this is going to happen anytime soon--as it would face considerable Constitutional challenges.


The U.S. Constitution, Article I, Section 2, Clause 3, states:



And the 14th Amendment, Section 2, reaffirms:



This includes citizens and non-citizens alike—legal permanent residents, visa holders, and undocumented immigrants.

The Supreme Court has never upheld an interpretation that allows the federal government to exclude non-citizens from the decennial census for purposes of apportionment. In fact, legal precedent affirms that:

All persons residing in the U.S. must be counted, regardless of citizenship status.

The U.S. Constitution mandates counting the “whole number of persons” in each state for apportionment.
This does not permit restricting the census count to only U.S. citizens.

Any attempt to exclude non-citizens would almost certainly face significant constitutional challenges and is inconsistent with existing legal interpretation.

Counting illegals aliens in a census, is just as illegal as them crossing the border illegally

 

[WorldWatcher]

The solution would be to simply exempt the illegal data count from the equation that creates the congressional districts.

That isn't a simple solution. It would require an Amendment to the 14th Amendment which specifically says "whole number of persons".

WW

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

Didn't say they weren't. But the CONSTITUTION exempted them for a time considering Indian Nations to be (a) non-citizens, and (b) living in their own sovereign nations.

WW

Illegal aliens are (a) non citizens, and (b) citizens of the sovereign nation from which they came.

 

[protectionist]

That isn't a simple solution. It would require an Amendment to the 14th Amendment which specifically says "whole number of persons".

WW

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[protectionist]

Not necessary to amend the Constitution
The Constitution didn't get amended with all the various changes to the 1st amendment of free speech. They simply were written into law (ex slander, libel, perjury, threats, copyright infringement. Inciting a riot, etc)

 

[WorldWatcher]

Illegal aliens are (a) non citizens, and (b) citizens of the sovereign nation from which they came.

I don't disagree.

What's that got to do with the Census where the Constitution CLEARY says all persons?

WW

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

I don't disagree.

What's that got to do with the Census where the Constitution CLEARY says all persons?

WW

So you agree Indians are persons and they were exempted from the census.

 

[TimFitz]

You really do not like Trump going Prog on the Progs. You like the taste? Little by little they are withering your cheating or attempting to.

Trump is going facist. He is certainly not respecting the Constitution or the law.

 

[TimFitz]

So you agree Indians are persons and they were exempted from the census.

Is your argument that previous injustices justify new ones?

It’s a weak and morally bankrupt notion.

 

[TemplarKormac]

I don't have an issue with what Trump wants to do. I get that some might see it as controversial, but on the surface, it's just data. Are people worried about us knowing the truth?

When the census impacts how many House seats each state gets, it's not 'just' data. It has an enormous impact on how the democratic process behaves nationwide.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Trump is going facist. He is certainly not respecting the Constitution or the law.

Let us all know when he stuffs you inside a gas chamber, okay?

Until then, stop using words you have no understanding of.

 

[22lcidw]

Trump is going facist. He is certainly not respecting the Constitution or the law.

Trump is responding to the fascists who attempted to destroy and even kill him. With illegals he is following codified law. It is terrible I know. Then again Progs did this. And only a complacent press could have them allow millions of illegals to enter the nation. Trump is trying to save the nation. And if he is what you say, then he is you and the game is lost.

 

[WorldWatcher]

So you agree Indians are persons and they were exempted from the census.

Indians not taxed were exempted from the Census by Constitution, not that they weren’t persons.

WW

 

[Captain Caveman]

I doubt that this is going to happen anytime soon--as it would face considerable Constitutional challenges.


The U.S. Constitution, Article I, Section 2, Clause 3, states:



And the 14th Amendment, Section 2, reaffirms:



This includes citizens and non-citizens alike—legal permanent residents, visa holders, and undocumented immigrants.

The Supreme Court has never upheld an interpretation that allows the federal government to exclude non-citizens from the decennial census for purposes of apportionment. In fact, legal precedent affirms that:

All persons residing in the U.S. must be counted, regardless of citizenship status.

The U.S. Constitution mandates counting the “whole number of persons” in each state for apportionment.
This does not permit restricting the census count to only U.S. citizens.

Any attempt to exclude non-citizens would almost certainly face significant constitutional challenges and is inconsistent with existing legal interpretation.

I have a sneaky feeling you wouldn't have said that if a Democrat president was doing the same thing.