Trump on a Roll Gets ObamaCare Ruled Unconstitutional MAGA Trump 2020

[DOTR]

You think? As a hypothetical, if someone came up with a plan that would reduce health care prices by 20% across the board, do you think that would satisfy the "Medicare for All" folks? Because I don't think it would. I think what bothers them isn't that health care is too expensive. What bothers them is that health care costs money at all. They think it should be "free".

I see two distinct, and in some ways contradictory, problems related to health care. First, is that the market is distorted in a number of ways that are driving health care inflation, making it so expensive that the average person can't afford basic health care. Second, is the social problem of what do about people who can't afford health care.

Obviously, the first problem feeds the second. If we can get the market back in check, there will be fewer people who can't afford health care and helping them will be easier.

A viable solution has been presented an you ignore it. Do you just want to fight about it or are you going to present positive suggestions.

What problem is your solution trying to solve?

Masshealth pretty well solves it. Do some research on it. It's what the ACA was supposed to be before the infighting and backbiting happened. It works and works well. Can you afford 30 bucks a month for Health Care for most of the population? Bernies "No Charge" doesn't work but everyone kicking in that signs up for it and are charge by their income does make it work. And along with it comes the state allowing Hospitals and Doctors to work out deals with the Drug Companies direct. No Epipens for 1000 bucks or even 100 bucks or even 20 bucks considering the Government paid for the development, testing and initial first batch.

There is still room for people in Mass to have their own private medical and opt out. Again, it's a good system, it works and it can be expanded if the Feds hire the same people that set it up for Mass instead of the quacks that they hired before. There is nothing wrong with ACA if it's adapted to the Masshealth standards. You keep looking for a problem that just isn't there. And that is called arguing and getting nothing done. WE already have that. Some are just nicer about it than others.

Then why can’t you leave it to the states?

Because of the Red States. The Blue states would still be paying the bulk of the medical for the red states. And the Red states would refuse to do it on their own more out of spite.

So does mass pay the “bulk of the medical for the red states”? But you said it was working ok.

 

[dblack]

Tell you what, you list the problems. You seem to want to dwell on the problems rather than the cures. So let's discuss the problems. but beware, I will be referring to Masshealth in the responses.

I already did. I'll quote my previous post. You must have missed it:

What's wrong in your opinion? What problem(s) should government try to solve regarding health care? Is the problem that health care costs too much? Or is the problem that we have to pay for it at all, that it should be "free"? Is the problem that we don't have enough insurance? Or that we have too much? Is the problem that health care isn't democratic (ie isn't controlled by government)? Or is the problem that government meddles too much already? If we can't find agreement on these questions, there's no point in asking Congress to do anything about it. Whatever "it" is.

So, which of these problems (or others) do you think Masshealth has solved?

 

[Daryl Hunt]

A viable solution has been presented an you ignore it. Do you just want to fight about it or are you going to present positive suggestions.

What problem is your solution trying to solve?

Masshealth pretty well solves it. Do some research on it. It's what the ACA was supposed to be before the infighting and backbiting happened. It works and works well. Can you afford 30 bucks a month for Health Care for most of the population? Bernies "No Charge" doesn't work but everyone kicking in that signs up for it and are charge by their income does make it work. And along with it comes the state allowing Hospitals and Doctors to work out deals with the Drug Companies direct. No Epipens for 1000 bucks or even 100 bucks or even 20 bucks considering the Government paid for the development, testing and initial first batch.

There is still room for people in Mass to have their own private medical and opt out. Again, it's a good system, it works and it can be expanded if the Feds hire the same people that set it up for Mass instead of the quacks that they hired before. There is nothing wrong with ACA if it's adapted to the Masshealth standards. You keep looking for a problem that just isn't there. And that is called arguing and getting nothing done. WE already have that. Some are just nicer about it than others.

Then why can’t you leave it to the states?

Because of the Red States. The Blue states would still be paying the bulk of the medical for the red states. And the Red states would refuse to do it on their own more out of spite.

So does mass pay the “bulk of the medical for the red states”? But you said it was working ok.

it's not working.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Great plan if your goal is for the Democrat party to totally takeover this country. Because it's those shitholes down there that help keep Republicans in power, and not allow the entire country to be controlled by California, NY, and various other liberal Meccas with large populations.

Hardly, most counties in NY are Republican.

The problem is the South, they are the moochers, they are the war mongering maniacs, they unloaded a bunch of Negs & LGBTQ upon the North, which shifted the North Left wing.

Not to mention how this impacted our crime, gangs, murder rates, and quality of life by the South unloading its Negs on us.

They are peddlers of misery & idiocy down South.

Our Electoral College system gives them power; power which they use in most of those states to defeat Socialism and Communism. Give credit where credit is due.

The South uses big Fed government the most.
They get more Medicaid, Social Security, Welfare, Disability,Food Stamps, not to mention all the Military stimulus that goes into paychecks, or military pensions, military college funds etc.

The South are a bunch of idiots.

We'd be a far greater country without them.

PS.
I don't care about defeating Socialism.

Socialism is actually a good compromise.

I care about defeating Capitalism, Globalism & the Synagogue of Satan.

Yes Commies too, but contrary to the opinions of Republicans social programs aren't necessarily Communist.

Please....the US Communist Party supported the last three Democrat presidential nominees, and couldn't say enough about Sanders.

Defeat capitalism, and you defeat the country, because nearly everything we have today is because of capitalism.

The first pushes for universal healthcare movements came from Germany & the UK.

Universal health care - Wikipedia

Yeah, Capitalism is also responsible for everything wrong with American society too.

Fascism has the best economic growth record, and NOT Capitalism.

- Franco a basic Fascist guy achieved the #1 economic growth period in 20th century Europe in the Spanish Miracle, only 2nd in the World to Japan's post WW2 economic miracle.

- Hitler did far better on the Great Depression recovery than had the USA, Great Britain, or France.

- FDR a guy who basically supported Fascism lite, achieved the #1 economic growth in 20th century America.

PS.

Modern China's economic miracle , and Japan's economic miracle also are Hybrid systems, or basically Fascist like.

And yet who came out on top in the end?

Short term economic or government strategies work well- short term. But in the long term, capitalism rewards people for hard work and investment. We didn't become the world power not only militarily, but economically as well under Socialism, Communism, or Fascism. We got this way under capitalism.

If it's not broke, don't fix it. If you think other countries are so great, or have a better economic system, you can leave the US to live there and try it out for yourself. If you find it was not all it was cracked up to be, you can always move back to the US of A.....if they let you. But once you turn this country into one of those, and find out it was a mistake, there won't be any other USA to move back to. It will be gone forever.

I say preserve our capitalistic system and continue the success this country earned and deserves.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Tell you what, you list the problems. You seem to want to dwell on the problems rather than the cures. So let's discuss the problems. but beware, I will be referring to Masshealth in the responses.

I already did. I'll quote my previous post. You must have missed it:

What's wrong in your opinion? What problem(s) should government try to solve regarding health care? Is the problem that health care costs too much? Or is the problem that we have to pay for it at all, that it should be "free"? Is the problem that we don't have enough insurance? Or that we have too much? Is the problem that health care isn't democratic (ie isn't controlled by government)? Or is the problem that government meddles too much already? If we can't find agreement on these questions, there's no point in asking Congress to do anything about it. Whatever "it" is.

So, which of these problems (or others) do you think Masshealth has solved?

Unless you tell me what problems you want solved, I have no way of knowing what to respond to.

 

[dblack]

Tell you what, you list the problems. You seem to want to dwell on the problems rather than the cures. So let's discuss the problems. but beware, I will be referring to Masshealth in the responses.

I already did. I'll quote my previous post. You must have missed it:

What's wrong in your opinion? What problem(s) should government try to solve regarding health care? Is the problem that health care costs too much? Or is the problem that we have to pay for it at all, that it should be "free"? Is the problem that we don't have enough insurance? Or that we have too much? Is the problem that health care isn't democratic (ie isn't controlled by government)? Or is the problem that government meddles too much already? If we can't find agreement on these questions, there's no point in asking Congress to do anything about it. Whatever "it" is.

So, which of these problems (or others) do you think Masshealth has solved?

Unless you tell me what problems you want solved, I have no way of knowing what to respond to.

Ok, I should have known you were just trolling me. Nevermind.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Tell you what, you list the problems. You seem to want to dwell on the problems rather than the cures. So let's discuss the problems. but beware, I will be referring to Masshealth in the responses.

I already did. I'll quote my previous post. You must have missed it:

What's wrong in your opinion? What problem(s) should government try to solve regarding health care? Is the problem that health care costs too much? Or is the problem that we have to pay for it at all, that it should be "free"? Is the problem that we don't have enough insurance? Or that we have too much? Is the problem that health care isn't democratic (ie isn't controlled by government)? Or is the problem that government meddles too much already? If we can't find agreement on these questions, there's no point in asking Congress to do anything about it. Whatever "it" is.

So, which of these problems (or others) do you think Masshealth has solved?

Unless you tell me what problems you want solved, I have no way of knowing what to respond to.

Ok, I should have known you were just trolling me. Nevermind.

Just responding to your impossible demands.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Great plan if your goal is for the Democrat party to totally takeover this country. Because it's those shitholes down there that help keep Republicans in power, and not allow the entire country to be controlled by California, NY, and various other liberal Meccas with large populations.

Hardly, most counties in NY are Republican.

The problem is the South, they are the moochers, they are the war mongering maniacs, they unloaded a bunch of Negs & LGBTQ upon the North, which shifted the North Left wing.

Not to mention how this impacted our crime, gangs, murder rates, and quality of life by the South unloading its Negs on us.

They are peddlers of misery & idiocy down South.

Our Electoral College system gives them power; power which they use in most of those states to defeat Socialism and Communism. Give credit where credit is due.

The South uses big Fed government the most.
They get more Medicaid, Social Security, Welfare, Disability,Food Stamps, not to mention all the Military stimulus that goes into paychecks, or military pensions, military college funds etc.

The South are a bunch of idiots.

We'd be a far greater country without them.

PS.
I don't care about defeating Socialism.

Socialism is actually a good compromise.

I care about defeating Capitalism, Globalism & the Synagogue of Satan.

Yes Commies too, but contrary to the opinions of Republicans social programs aren't necessarily Communist.

Please....the US Communist Party supported the last three Democrat presidential nominees, and couldn't say enough about Sanders.

Defeat capitalism, and you defeat the country, because nearly everything we have today is because of capitalism.

Capitalism and Socialism are not Government Models. They are Economic Models and once you reach a certain size (like the US) one cannot exist without the other. The Nazi Parties supported the Party of the Rump. Does that make you a Nazi?

Where did I say they were government models?

 

[dblack]

Tell you what, you list the problems. You seem to want to dwell on the problems rather than the cures. So let's discuss the problems. but beware, I will be referring to Masshealth in the responses.

I already did. I'll quote my previous post. You must have missed it:

What's wrong in your opinion? What problem(s) should government try to solve regarding health care? Is the problem that health care costs too much? Or is the problem that we have to pay for it at all, that it should be "free"? Is the problem that we don't have enough insurance? Or that we have too much? Is the problem that health care isn't democratic (ie isn't controlled by government)? Or is the problem that government meddles too much already? If we can't find agreement on these questions, there's no point in asking Congress to do anything about it. Whatever "it" is.

So, which of these problems (or others) do you think Masshealth has solved?

Unless you tell me what problems you want solved, I have no way of knowing what to respond to.

Ok, I should have known you were just trolling me. Nevermind.

Just responding to your impossible demands.

No you're not. You're willfully evading an important question. Why?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Where is his plan to fix healthcare? We have more uninsured.

First, we have to agree on what's broken about it.

I think everyone agrees it is way too expensive.

It is, and much of that expense has to do with government. So what's the left's solution? Have government run the entire thing.

Instead of pointing the finger at what entity made our healthcare so expensive, place the blame on insurance companies, the whipping boy of the left. But the truth of the matter is, insurance rates are not because of massive profit, it's because insurance companies pay the bills of massive healthcare costs.

Removing insurance companies doesn't solve much of anything. Because in doing so, the government still has to pay the bills insurance once did.

So the real solution is to lower the cost of care in the first place, then decide how we pay for it.

My idea is that we can have a government/ private insurance plan that could make everybody happy. Allow people like myself with preexisting conditions the ability to buy a Medicare coverage plan, much like people on disability do today. That would remove all the high-risk patients out of the pool. By insurance companies only dealing with low-risk clientele, they could dramatically reduce their rates and keep them lower which is a Republican win. In the meantime, the Democrats could be satisfied with insuring high-risk patients through a government plan like they do now for people on disability.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Tell you what, you list the problems. You seem to want to dwell on the problems rather than the cures. So let's discuss the problems. but beware, I will be referring to Masshealth in the responses.

I already did. I'll quote my previous post. You must have missed it:

What's wrong in your opinion? What problem(s) should government try to solve regarding health care? Is the problem that health care costs too much? Or is the problem that we have to pay for it at all, that it should be "free"? Is the problem that we don't have enough insurance? Or that we have too much? Is the problem that health care isn't democratic (ie isn't controlled by government)? Or is the problem that government meddles too much already? If we can't find agreement on these questions, there's no point in asking Congress to do anything about it. Whatever "it" is.

So, which of these problems (or others) do you think Masshealth has solved?

Unless you tell me what problems you want solved, I have no way of knowing what to respond to.

Ok, I should have known you were just trolling me. Nevermind.

Just responding to your impossible demands.

No you're not. You're willfully evading an important question. Why?

Then I suggest you ask a specific question. What specific problems do you need to be taken care of. Just tossing out a blanket statement can't be answered. Chances are, I will have an answer for your question if you are specific even it the answer is, I got no answer. But keep it honest.

Otherwise, it's another case of we have to get rid of ACA without a ready to go replacement. And the Courts already ruled on that one.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Trump delivers on another campaign promise. Trump looks unbeatable in 2020.

< A federal appeals court has determined the individual mandate in the nation's health care law is unconstitutional. >

Court declares Obamacare individual mandate unconstitutional

lol

Presidents who have been impeached aren’t ‘on a roll.’

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Trump delivers on another campaign promise. Trump looks unbeatable in 2020.

< A federal appeals court has determined the individual mandate in the nation's health care law is unconstitutional. >

Court declares Obamacare individual mandate unconstitutional

lol

Presidents who have been impeached aren’t ‘on a roll.’

This one is.

Suck on it...long and hard.

 

[dblack]

I already did. I'll quote my previous post. You must have missed it:

So, which of these problems (or others) do you think Masshealth has solved?

Unless you tell me what problems you want solved, I have no way of knowing what to respond to.

Ok, I should have known you were just trolling me. Nevermind.

Just responding to your impossible demands.

No you're not. You're willfully evading an important question. Why?

Then I suggest you ask a specific question. What specific problems do you need to be taken care of. Just tossing out a blanket statement can't be answered. Chances are, I will have an answer for your question if you are specific even it the answer is, I got no answer. But keep it honest.

Otherwise, it's another case of we have to get rid of ACA without a ready to go replacement. And the Courts already ruled on that one.

If you don't know what problems Masshealth was supposed to solved, how do you know it solved them? You don't. You're just blowing smoke.

Troll on.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Unless you tell me what problems you want solved, I have no way of knowing what to respond to.

Ok, I should have known you were just trolling me. Nevermind.

Just responding to your impossible demands.

No you're not. You're willfully evading an important question. Why?

Then I suggest you ask a specific question. What specific problems do you need to be taken care of. Just tossing out a blanket statement can't be answered. Chances are, I will have an answer for your question if you are specific even it the answer is, I got no answer. But keep it honest.

Otherwise, it's another case of we have to get rid of ACA without a ready to go replacement. And the Courts already ruled on that one.

If you don't know what problems Masshealth solved, how do you know it solved them? You don't. You're just blowing smoke.

Troll on.

If you aren't aware of that it solved then you are living under a friggin rock. And you got it wrong Troll. I am an Ogre. I have a nice apartment for you under a bridge troll.

 

[dblack]

Ok, I should have known you were just trolling me. Nevermind.

Just responding to your impossible demands.

No you're not. You're willfully evading an important question. Why?

Then I suggest you ask a specific question. What specific problems do you need to be taken care of. Just tossing out a blanket statement can't be answered. Chances are, I will have an answer for your question if you are specific even it the answer is, I got no answer. But keep it honest.

Otherwise, it's another case of we have to get rid of ACA without a ready to go replacement. And the Courts already ruled on that one.

If you don't know what problems Masshealth solved, how do you know it solved them? You don't. You're just blowing smoke.

Troll on.

If you aren't aware of that it solved then you are living under a friggin rock. And you got it wrong Troll. I am an Ogre.

Nah, just a chickenshit. Why are you so afraid of clearly stating what problems you want to solve? Why does my question inspire you to "duck and cover"?

 

[bluzman61]

Trump delivers on another campaign promise. Trump looks unbeatable in 2020.

< A federal appeals court has determined the individual mandate in the nation's health care law is unconstitutional. >

Court declares Obamacare individual mandate unconstitutional

lol

Presidents who have been impeached aren’t ‘on a roll.’

This one is.

Suck on it...long and hard.

C. Clayton Jones is another liberal lunatic on here, like Creepy Crepitus, who suffers from MAJOR TDS. I think C.C.J. MAY be a bit smarter than C.C., but not by much. Just dreadful.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Just responding to your impossible demands.

No you're not. You're willfully evading an important question. Why?

Then I suggest you ask a specific question. What specific problems do you need to be taken care of. Just tossing out a blanket statement can't be answered. Chances are, I will have an answer for your question if you are specific even it the answer is, I got no answer. But keep it honest.

Otherwise, it's another case of we have to get rid of ACA without a ready to go replacement. And the Courts already ruled on that one.

If you don't know what problems Masshealth solved, how do you know it solved them? You don't. You're just blowing smoke.

Troll on.

If you aren't aware of that it solved then you are living under a friggin rock. And you got it wrong Troll. I am an Ogre.

Nah, just a chickenshit. Why are you so afraid of clearly stating what problems you want to solve? Why does my question inspire you to "duck and cover"?

I presented an alternative method that is working. You want to distract. Now, you present your own alternative without the "Hey, Look over there" crap.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Trump delivers on another campaign promise. Trump looks unbeatable in 2020.

< A federal appeals court has determined the individual mandate in the nation's health care law is unconstitutional. >

Court declares Obamacare individual mandate unconstitutional

lol

Presidents who have been impeached aren’t ‘on a roll.’

This one is.

Suck on it...long and hard.

C. Clayton Jones is another liberal lunatic on here, like Creepy Crepitus, who suffers from MAJOR TDS. I think C.C.J. MAY be a bit smarter than C.C., but not by much. Just dreadful.

Oh, do you mean that yet another Rump Cabinet member is leaving from being Fired, quit or being indicted? Guess you want to make sure a suitable replacement.

 

[Jitss617]

We should not be providing health care.. but your own