Trump offers peace plan for Ukraine war

[Zavulon]

Why on Earth would the Russians be opposed to having NATO troops and missiles 260 miles from Moscow?

Especially after German surprise attack against them back in 1941, after illegal and unprovoked aggresions against Serbia in 1999 and Iraq in 2003?

 

[Deadstick]

Why on Earth would the Russians be opposed to having NATO troops and missiles 260 miles from Moscow?

How unreasonable of them

 

[Deadstick]

Especially after German surprise attack against them back in 1941, after illegal and unprovoked aggresions against Serbia in 1999 and Iraq in 2003?

If Putin had been in power in 1999 i doubt Serbia would have been attacked, problem was NATO chose it's moment when Russia was weak and a drunken clown was ruling the Country in a alcoholic haze, what we see now in Ukraine is a direct result of that attack on Serbia and consequent NATO aggression.

 

[Zavulon]

If Putin had been in power in 1999 i doubt Serbia would have been attacked, problem was NATO chose it's moment when Russia was weak and a drunken clown was ruling the Country in a alcoholic haze, what we see now in Ukraine is a direct result of that attack on Serbia and consequent NATO aggression.

Did you watch movie "Balcan line" (2019)? Just a Russian point of view on the line between illussion of cooperation and more or less open confrontation.

 

[sealybobo]

Are you and your US MAGA's even aware, that the Chancellor Candidate of the AfD is a LESBIAN, and her wife isn't even "Germanic" nor "white" but a "dark" Sri-Lanken. ??
YOU want to tell me, that a Lesbian Presidential Candidate married with a colored wife, would be supported/elected by MAGA's?? or by the American public in general??? :

Therefore - who cares or is talking about some US government Spokesperson? One of the former German CABINET ministers - aka the foreign minister was a Gay - not some spokesperson.

Racists in the USA had been kept at bay via "laws" especially those implemented by the Democrats in the 60'ies - and as I had stated before - latest upon Obama's election win - they all started to go public, aka leave the shadows. And I personally know numerous Democrats who are racists.

Millionaires? so what? everyone knows that the USA is a full fledged Capitalist country - naturally they have the largest amount of millionaires worldwide. They also have the largest number of jobless/homeless&poor in the Western world. How may millionaires and fortunes did the US lose, due to WWI and WWII - in comparison to e.g. Germany. ? NONE

The vast majority of those European religious nuts "cults" immigrated to the USA, the vast majority of those immigrants coming to the USA - where those of the low worker class and landless serfs - because in the USA they could become rich and/or obtain land. There was also no Gold Rush in Europe that would draw in all "kinds" of people.

And foremost: in Europe there was no vacant land - so these US and immigrant settler treks went off, murdering and killing those who possessed land and introduced into the US society what Europeans refer to as LAWLESS ANARCHY - aka the Right of the Strong. No money no talk, Whites are superior to those indiginious and any non-white, etc, etc,
Which European democratic country in the 1920'ies to 1960'ies ever had Jim Crow laws.??

That you try to defend your country is obvious, and I can understand that as such. But any European who has been to the USA knows very well as to how racist and conservative the US society really is. So MAGA's rise, came to no ones surprise. Certainly not to me. To me it became obvious when I first came to the USA under Reagan - Make America Strong - Buy American - these buttons - I am proud to be American, and with it this obvious, conservative religious input and the racial mindset existing in the USA.

As for your racist example pertaining to Germans regarding Negros:
One of the first and main statements of Black GI's in Germany was; hey here we are at liberty to have German (white) girls.

Germany NEVER had to introduce or ENFORCE - certainly not via a National Guard, any racial equality laws unlike the USA - since racial equality is part of our Constitution.
It's solely lefty/libs who keep propagating that a German who opposes migrants e.g. some Negro and their "preferences" in regards to courts and law enforcement, is supposedly a NAZI or a right-winger. Just because some 5-7% of those speaking out loudly and or are even involved in violent acts against migrants are indeed Nazis or knuckle-head right wingers.

Whilst more then 80% of Germans simply oppose the unjust regulations that pertain to migrant benefits. As I had stated before:
If the German economy would be like 10 years ago - the vast majority of Germans couldn't be bothered about migrants.

And if a German applies common sense, e.g. a criminal migrant (regardless of his ethnicity or religion) needs to be deported immediately - you got these Lefty/libs crawling out of every corner and whining/bitching Nazis, Nazis......

However we don't have MAGA's whining and bitching around in Germany, that ALL illegal migrants need to be forced out, that they eat rats and are all criminals and religious fanatics. We are very well aware that this is NOT the case and that our economy factually needs these migrants and illegal migrants.

Go to Germany to any e.g. restaurant, coffeeshop/house, Supermarket and even to small sized manufacturing companies and try to find German staff. You more or less won't because those Germans who could - prefer to stay at home- collect government benefits and whine and ***** about migrants.

And these low lifers, ill educated and religious nuts, are those who support and vote Republicans and MAGA's in the USA - whilst these "eloquent" - "woke" and living in another world people, vote for Democrats. And these "eloquent" and "woke" people are NOT poor or workers - but rather the opposite.

Your statement therefore, that rich people vote for the Republicans is somewhere out from the 60'ies to 90'ies.
Around 40% of the US population did not vote in Nov. 2024 - and from those remaining - some 52% voted for MAGA.
A racist-conservative-religious inspired community. Around 80% of my workforce in Colorado are MAGA's and around 60% of my workforce in California are MAGA's. Whilst in Colorado and California around 70% of the white collars are Democrats.

Now you trying to tell me or convince me that those other 40% non voters in the USA would be Democrats and Liberals??

I used to think all the people who didn't vote were poor or middle class people who would vote Democrat if they did vote but now I'm not so sure.

I work for a small international German company. I went a few years ago. I think it was when Trump was running the first time. I thought he didn't stand a chance. Before Trump, I thought I had it all figured out. Who votes for who. But now I am confused. LOL. The poor vote for him because he promises to make America great for them again. He won't.

2 days ago all my MAGA friends told me "Elon found that social security is paying people who are 150 years old." Why would Elon lie when he knows his lie is going to be exposed? Because lying works in America. Look at Trump saying they're eating the dogs". Not true but it didn't matter. So they must lie for a reason. Because maybe it doesn't matter? They are just distracting us?

I'm so ashamed of the USA.

But, I'm warning you now. This is coming to Europe. Stay tuned.

 

[Ringo]

Banderites burned an effigy of Trump and his books!

Ukrainian terrorists blamed Trump for Zelensky not receiving Western weapons, and said that Trump would pay in blood for his alleged peace plan.

The whole point of khohol is to spit in the hand of the giver, which is what they have been doing for 30 years with Russia.

 

[gipper]

Did you watch movie "Balcan line" (2019)? Just a Russian point of view on the line between illussion of cooperation and more or less open confrontation.

Funny how Putin and Trump are actually the ones fighting for democracy in Ukraine, while Democrats and the Europeans support Ukrainian fascism.

 

[Zavulon]

Funny how Putin and Trump are actually the ones fighting for democracy in Ukraine, while Democrats and the Europeans support Ukrainian fascism.

Right now Trump isn't "fighting". Its still all talks and no actions.

 

[Ringo]

 

[Deadstick]

Did you watch movie "Balcan line" (2019)? Just a Russian point of view on the line between illussion of cooperation and more or less open confrontation.

I will look it up,i watched weight of chains a documentary that covers the whole Yugoslavian break up.

 

[Deadstick]

Indeed then the official MSM narrative changed its all about Russia Russia Russia, this is the truth they ignore, the cover up for years by the MSM is just as bad if not worse than those bastards inflicting the violence on Donbass at the time, they really are filth.

 

[Deadstick]

Right now Trump isn't "fighting". Its still all talks and no actions.

We will just have to see what comes out of talks with Putin and Trump, nothing is certain Trump can change his mind overnight.

 

[Deadstick]

I used to think all the people who didn't vote were poor or middle class people who would vote Democrat if they did vote but now I'm not so sure.

I work for a small international German company. I went a few years ago. I think it was when Trump was running the first time. I thought he didn't stand a chance. Before Trump, I thought I had it all figured out. Who votes for who. But now I am confused. LOL. The poor vote for him because he promises to make America great for them again. He won't.

2 days ago all my MAGA friends told me "Elon found that social security is paying people who are 150 years old." Why would Elon lie when he knows his lie is going to be exposed? Because lying works in America. Look at Trump saying they're eating the dogs". Not true but it didn't matter. So they must lie for a reason. Because maybe it doesn't matter? They are just distracting us?

I'm so ashamed of the USA.

But, I'm warning you now. This is coming to Europe. Stay tuned.

All politicians lie just look at the lie Biden and Obama told about Russia invading Ukraine in 2014.

 

[sealybobo]

All politicians lie just look at the lie Biden and Obama told about Russia invading Ukraine in 2014.

Were they lying? Looks like they turned out to be right. Russia did.

So bad example. How about the biggest lie ever told? I mean besides the election was stolen from Trump. The lie about WMD's? Funny today no Republican will admit to being a Bush fan but boy were you guys fans of his in the 2000's and 2010's.

 

[Deadstick]

Were they lying? Looks like they turned out to be right. Russia did.

So bad example. How about the biggest lie ever told? I mean besides the election was stolen from Trump. The lie about WMD's? Funny today no Republican will admit to being a Bush fan but boy were you guys fans of his in the 2000's and 2010's.

Not in 2014 they didn't that is what they lied about and are still lying ten years later, the only place Russia took control of before 2022 was Crimea to secure their naval base which the Coup trash would have handed to NATO and probably many pro Russians civilians massacred like they were in Odessa.

 

[Deadstick]

Banderites burned an effigy of Trump and his books!

Ukrainian terrorists blamed Trump for Zelensky not receiving Western weapons, and said that Trump would pay in blood for his alleged peace plan.

The whole point of khohol is to spit in the hand of the giver, which is what they have been doing for 30 years with Russia.

Nazis love burning books they burned all Russia books in Ukraine some of them classics by poets etc, that is how crazed they are.

 

[sealybobo]

Not in 2014 they didn't that is what they lied about and are still lying ten years later, the only place Russia took control of before 2022 was Crimea to secure their naval base which the Coup trash would have handed to NATO and probably many pro Russians civilians massacred like they were in Odessa.

Whatever. I believe this is exactly why Elon and Trump tell such obvious lies. While we are arguing about this nonsense that Elon started, what are they really doing?

 

[Deadstick]

Whatever. I believe this is exactly why Elon and Trump tell such obvious lies. While we are arguing about this nonsense that Elon started, what are they really doing?

Not sure what your point is, they lied about Russia invading Donbass in 2014, they didn't in fact Russia tried to get a settlement for years,what happened after 2014 was a civil war after Poroschenko who was President at the time decided to turn the army and Neonazi gangs loose on the people of Donbass who organized themselves into militias to defend themselves and their homes, they inflicted two big defeats on the Ukrainian army at Donetsk airport and Debeltseve, there were no Russians involved.

 

[sealybobo]

Not sure what your point is, they lied about Russia invading Donbass in 2014, they didn't in fact Russia tried to get a settlement for years,what happened after 2014 was a civil war after Poroschenko who was President at the time decided to turn the army and Neonazi gangs loose on the people of Donbass who organized themselves into militias to defend themselves and their homes, they inflicted two big defeats on the Ukrainian army at Donetsk airport and Debeltseve, there were no Russians involved.

Nice tactic. Arguing about nonsense trying to distract me with your spin. Not biting.

What is Trump's plan?

 

[Deadstick]

Nice tactic. Arguing about nonsense trying to distract me with your spin. Not biting.

What is Trump's plan?

I still don't know what your point is? and we don't know what Trumps plan is, my point is they have been lying about Russia invading Ukraine in 2014, they didn't, this vid is from the battle for Donetsk airport in 2014/15 these guys are not Russian soldiers they are from the Militias that were formed in Donbass to fight the Ukrainian army, they were factory workers Bus drivers Miners etc, most had military experience because they had served in the Ukrainian army at some stage, do you get it now?