Trump is THE model for a leader (Reuters poll result)

[Mac-7]

You're not evil. You're just an asshole.

and mac1958 thinks that being an asshole is going to drive trump voters into a closet and leave the GOP as the washington swamp rats exclusive domain

How wrong can he be?

 

[Mac-7]

Holy crap. Go away. You don't know my politics.

I didn't say you are a conservative

But at times you want everyone to think you are

Or could be if we kiss your boot

 

[citygator]

Topline Findings from the latest Reuters/Ipsos poll

• Half of Republicans believe former President Donald Trump should be the role model for the Republican party.
• Sixty-two percent of Republicans said they had little or no interest in joining a conservative political party run by former Republican leaders who have been critical of Donald Trump.
• Meanwhile, 7 in 10 said they would be somewhat or very interested in hearing what Trump thinks about current events.
• These results are indicative of the influence that Trump continues to hold over the Republican party and why House Republicans felt that Liz Cheney, who was outwardly critical of Trump, needed to be removed.
• But not all Republicans agree with this; 61% agreed that the Republican party is stronger when it embraces both supporters and critics of Trump.

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We discussed this before. Trump is CEO material. You're not. CEOs make tough decisions even if they aren't popular.

You’re fired! Trump was fired for poor performance. I wasn’t.

In fact under Biden... record bonuses.

 

[Lastamender]

Topline Findings from the latest Reuters/Ipsos poll

• Half of Republicans believe former President Donald Trump should be the role model for the Republican party.
• Sixty-two percent of Republicans said they had little or no interest in joining a conservative political party run by former Republican leaders who have been critical of Donald Trump.
• Meanwhile, 7 in 10 said they would be somewhat or very interested in hearing what Trump thinks about current events.
• These results are indicative of the influence that Trump continues to hold over the Republican party and why House Republicans felt that Liz Cheney, who was outwardly critical of Trump, needed to be removed.
• But not all Republicans agree with this; 61% agreed that the Republican party is stronger when it embraces both supporters and critics of Trump.

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We discussed this before. Trump is CEO material. You're not. CEOs make tough decisions even if they aren't popular.

You’re fired! Trump was fired for poor performance. I wasn’t.

In fact under Biden... record bonuses.

Aren't bonuses once a year?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Topline Findings from the latest Reuters/Ipsos poll

• Half of Republicans believe former President Donald Trump should be the role model for the Republican party.
• Sixty-two percent of Republicans said they had little or no interest in joining a conservative political party run by former Republican leaders who have been critical of Donald Trump.
• Meanwhile, 7 in 10 said they would be somewhat or very interested in hearing what Trump thinks about current events.
• These results are indicative of the influence that Trump continues to hold over the Republican party and why House Republicans felt that Liz Cheney, who was outwardly critical of Trump, needed to be removed.
• But not all Republicans agree with this; 61% agreed that the Republican party is stronger when it embraces both supporters and critics of Trump.

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We discussed this before. Trump is CEO material. You're not. CEOs make tough decisions even if they aren't popular.

You’re fired! Trump was fired for poor performance. I wasn’t.

In fact under Biden... record bonuses.

Aren't bonuses once a year?

Some are paid quarterly

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Topline Findings from the latest Reuters/Ipsos poll

• Half of Republicans believe former President Donald Trump should be the role model for the Republican party.
• Sixty-two percent of Republicans said they had little or no interest in joining a conservative political party run by former Republican leaders who have been critical of Donald Trump.
• Meanwhile, 7 in 10 said they would be somewhat or very interested in hearing what Trump thinks about current events.
• These results are indicative of the influence that Trump continues to hold over the Republican party and why House Republicans felt that Liz Cheney, who was outwardly critical of Trump, needed to be removed.
• But not all Republicans agree with this; 61% agreed that the Republican party is stronger when it embraces both supporters and critics of Trump.

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We discussed this before. Trump is CEO material. You're not. CEOs make tough decisions even if they aren't popular.

You’re fired! Trump was fired for poor performance. I wasn’t.

In fact under Biden... record bonuses.

He wasn’t re-elected. If you were running for office how would you do?

 

[citygator]

Topline Findings from the latest Reuters/Ipsos poll

• Half of Republicans believe former President Donald Trump should be the role model for the Republican party.
• Sixty-two percent of Republicans said they had little or no interest in joining a conservative political party run by former Republican leaders who have been critical of Donald Trump.
• Meanwhile, 7 in 10 said they would be somewhat or very interested in hearing what Trump thinks about current events.
• These results are indicative of the influence that Trump continues to hold over the Republican party and why House Republicans felt that Liz Cheney, who was outwardly critical of Trump, needed to be removed.
• But not all Republicans agree with this; 61% agreed that the Republican party is stronger when it embraces both supporters and critics of Trump.

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We discussed this before. Trump is CEO material. You're not. CEOs make tough decisions even if they aren't popular.

You’re fired! Trump was fired for poor performance. I wasn’t.

In fact under Biden... record bonuses.

He wasn’t re-elected. If you were running for office how would you do?

I’m in a red precinct. I feel like I’d do well. I seem to get a lot of support from the right on here.

 

[citygator]

Topline Findings from the latest Reuters/Ipsos poll

• Half of Republicans believe former President Donald Trump should be the role model for the Republican party.
• Sixty-two percent of Republicans said they had little or no interest in joining a conservative political party run by former Republican leaders who have been critical of Donald Trump.
• Meanwhile, 7 in 10 said they would be somewhat or very interested in hearing what Trump thinks about current events.
• These results are indicative of the influence that Trump continues to hold over the Republican party and why House Republicans felt that Liz Cheney, who was outwardly critical of Trump, needed to be removed.
• But not all Republicans agree with this; 61% agreed that the Republican party is stronger when it embraces both supporters and critics of Trump.

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We discussed this before. Trump is CEO material. You're not. CEOs make tough decisions even if they aren't popular.

You’re fired! Trump was fired for poor performance. I wasn’t.

In fact under Biden... record bonuses.

Aren't bonuses once a year?

Some are paid quarterly

Bingo. Record bonuses paid out quarterly. Thanks Biden.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Topline Findings from the latest Reuters/Ipsos poll

• Half of Republicans believe former President Donald Trump should be the role model for the Republican party.
• Sixty-two percent of Republicans said they had little or no interest in joining a conservative political party run by former Republican leaders who have been critical of Donald Trump.
• Meanwhile, 7 in 10 said they would be somewhat or very interested in hearing what Trump thinks about current events.
• These results are indicative of the influence that Trump continues to hold over the Republican party and why House Republicans felt that Liz Cheney, who was outwardly critical of Trump, needed to be removed.
• But not all Republicans agree with this; 61% agreed that the Republican party is stronger when it embraces both supporters and critics of Trump.

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We discussed this before. Trump is CEO material. You're not. CEOs make tough decisions even if they aren't popular.

You’re fired! Trump was fired for poor performance. I wasn’t.

In fact under Biden... record bonuses.

He wasn’t re-elected. If you were running for office how would you do?

I’m in a red precinct. I feel like I’d do well. I seem to get a lot of support from the right on here.

That’s cause they don’t know who you really are and what you believe.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Topline Findings from the latest Reuters/Ipsos poll

• Half of Republicans believe former President Donald Trump should be the role model for the Republican party.
• Sixty-two percent of Republicans said they had little or no interest in joining a conservative political party run by former Republican leaders who have been critical of Donald Trump.
• Meanwhile, 7 in 10 said they would be somewhat or very interested in hearing what Trump thinks about current events.
• These results are indicative of the influence that Trump continues to hold over the Republican party and why House Republicans felt that Liz Cheney, who was outwardly critical of Trump, needed to be removed.
• But not all Republicans agree with this; 61% agreed that the Republican party is stronger when it embraces both supporters and critics of Trump.

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We discussed this before. Trump is CEO material. You're not. CEOs make tough decisions even if they aren't popular.

You’re fired! Trump was fired for poor performance. I wasn’t.

In fact under Biden... record bonuses.

Aren't bonuses once a year?

Some are paid quarterly

Bingo. Record bonuses paid out quarterly. Thanks Biden.

So you do like capitalism LOL. AOC and Omar hate you. Filthy rich privileged white male.

 

[citygator]

Topline Findings from the latest Reuters/Ipsos poll

• Half of Republicans believe former President Donald Trump should be the role model for the Republican party.
• Sixty-two percent of Republicans said they had little or no interest in joining a conservative political party run by former Republican leaders who have been critical of Donald Trump.
• Meanwhile, 7 in 10 said they would be somewhat or very interested in hearing what Trump thinks about current events.
• These results are indicative of the influence that Trump continues to hold over the Republican party and why House Republicans felt that Liz Cheney, who was outwardly critical of Trump, needed to be removed.
• But not all Republicans agree with this; 61% agreed that the Republican party is stronger when it embraces both supporters and critics of Trump.

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We discussed this before. Trump is CEO material. You're not. CEOs make tough decisions even if they aren't popular.

You’re fired! Trump was fired for poor performance. I wasn’t.

In fact under Biden... record bonuses.

Aren't bonuses once a year?

Some are paid quarterly

Bingo. Record bonuses paid out quarterly. Thanks Biden.

So you do like capitalism LOL. AOC and Omar hate you. Filthy rich privileged white male.

Democrats are capitalists. AOC fully embraces capitalism. So does Bernie.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Topline Findings from the latest Reuters/Ipsos poll

• Half of Republicans believe former President Donald Trump should be the role model for the Republican party.
• Sixty-two percent of Republicans said they had little or no interest in joining a conservative political party run by former Republican leaders who have been critical of Donald Trump.
• Meanwhile, 7 in 10 said they would be somewhat or very interested in hearing what Trump thinks about current events.
• These results are indicative of the influence that Trump continues to hold over the Republican party and why House Republicans felt that Liz Cheney, who was outwardly critical of Trump, needed to be removed.
• But not all Republicans agree with this; 61% agreed that the Republican party is stronger when it embraces both supporters and critics of Trump.

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We discussed this before. Trump is CEO material. You're not. CEOs make tough decisions even if they aren't popular.

You’re fired! Trump was fired for poor performance. I wasn’t.

In fact under Biden... record bonuses.

Aren't bonuses once a year?

Some are paid quarterly

Bingo. Record bonuses paid out quarterly. Thanks Biden.

So you do like capitalism LOL. AOC and Omar hate you. Filthy rich privileged white male.

Democrats are capitalists. AOC fully embraces capitalism. So does Bernie.

Keep telling yourself that.

 

[Shelzin]

Democrats are capitalists. AOC fully embraces capitalism. So does Bernie.

Wasn't it AOC that said capitalism is irredeemable?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Democrats are capitalists. AOC fully embraces capitalism. So does Bernie.

Wasn't it AOC that said capitalism is irredeemable?

Bernie Sanders identifies as a Socialist

 

[Indeependent]

Topline Findings from the latest Reuters/Ipsos poll

• Half of Republicans believe former President Donald Trump should be the role model for the Republican party.
• Sixty-two percent of Republicans said they had little or no interest in joining a conservative political party run by former Republican leaders who have been critical of Donald Trump.
• Meanwhile, 7 in 10 said they would be somewhat or very interested in hearing what Trump thinks about current events.
• These results are indicative of the influence that Trump continues to hold over the Republican party and why House Republicans felt that Liz Cheney, who was outwardly critical of Trump, needed to be removed.
• But not all Republicans agree with this; 61% agreed that the Republican party is stronger when it embraces both supporters and critics of Trump.

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We discussed this before. Trump is CEO material. You're not. CEOs make tough decisions even if they aren't popular.

You’re fired! Trump was fired for poor performance. I wasn’t.

In fact under Biden... record bonuses.

Aren't bonuses once a year?

Some are paid quarterly

Bingo. Record bonuses paid out quarterly. Thanks Biden.

So you do like capitalism LOL. AOC and Omar hate you. Filthy rich privileged white male.

Democrats are capitalists. AOC fully embraces capitalism. So does Bernie.

Liberals are not capitalists.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Democrats are capitalists. AOC fully embraces capitalism. So does Bernie.

Wasn't it AOC that said capitalism is irredeemable?

Redirect Notice

www.google.com

She is a Democratic Socialist. citygator is. not CEO material.

 

[citygator]

Democrats are capitalists. AOC fully embraces capitalism. So does Bernie.

Wasn't it AOC that said capitalism is irredeemable?

Redirect Notice

www.google.com

She is a Democratic Socialist. citygator is. not CEO material.

Do they believe in social programs? Yep. Do they think there is too much capital in the hands of too few? Yep. Do they still hock their wares in the capital market like everyone else? Yep. They aren’t mutually exclusive.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Democrats are capitalists. AOC fully embraces capitalism. So does Bernie.

Wasn't it AOC that said capitalism is irredeemable?

Redirect Notice

www.google.com

She is a Democratic Socialist. citygator is. not CEO material.

Do they believe in social programs? Yep. Do they think there is too much capital in the hands of too few? Yep. Do they still hock their wares in the capital market like everyone else? Yep. They aren’t mutually exclusive.

They want to tax the rich at 90%. LOL

Wuhan virus…started in a lab. They don’t believe that. Why? They are morons. Want to have social programs? Stop taxing small businesses and implementing min wage increases.

 

[citygator]

Democrats are capitalists. AOC fully embraces capitalism. So does Bernie.

Wasn't it AOC that said capitalism is irredeemable?

Redirect Notice

www.google.com

She is a Democratic Socialist. citygator is. not CEO material.

Do they believe in social programs? Yep. Do they think there is too much capital in the hands of too few? Yep. Do they still hock their wares in the capital market like everyone else? Yep. They aren’t mutually exclusive.

They want to tax the rich at 90%. LOL

Wuhan virus…started in a lab. They don’t believe that. Why? They are morons. Want to have social programs? Stop taxing small businesses and implementing min wage increases.

Your 90% is bullshit. You can’t argue facts so you make shit up. Biden has put out his tax plan and it’s slight increases in $400k and up earners and slight increase in corporate taxes.

Why you right wing nuts want to act like you have any idea where a virus originated is nucking futs. I assume it’s tribalism and you think by pretending the virus was released by China it will erase the culpability of Trump and his supporters of murder for lying and mishandling the response.

Keep making stuff up.

 

[Correll]

What you call Deep State is the system that has been used through the 20th Century.

Let’s take a moment and explain that. The “Deep State” is nothing more than the established bureaucracy. But let’s ask ourselves how it got there.

Congress passes laws and leaves tons of work to the lower levels. It is often phrased as the Secretary of Treasury will determine and regulate the application of tax law. It is much more verbose. But this is the genesis of Regulations and Interpretation of law.

One quick example. Before the Vegas shooting the devices known as Bump Stocks were legal. The ATF had determined they were not fully automatic rifles. After the shooting. The ATF decided they were automatic rifles. They were instantly illegal. No act of Congress. No signing ceremony in the Rose Garden. Nothing. Just an administrative decision.

Now the Courts by similar laws have generally deferred to the various agencies. The argument is that they know more about the subject. So finding one of those rules illegal or unconstitutional is not easy. There was one victory a couple years ago where a man challenged the serial number requirement on an AR platform. The Judge agreed. The ATF rule had no basis in law.

This is where the regulations come from. And you can expect that the various departments will vigorously defend those regulations. Because they are based in law.

So the “Deep State” is someone defending his job and department.

Now on to what you really mean. The Steel dossier. The flawed warrant. All of it.

For decades people have complained about the FBI doing just that. The long history of abuses by the FBI is well documented. From junk science to flat out lies. They have not been the premier law enforcement agency of lore and legend during my five decades on earth.

What has the Right always maintained? If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear. When the FBI was caught breaking into houses and businesses they created the FISA court to give the FBI the legal authority to do what they were already doing. We can’t let criminals escape justice.

What outraged the right was this system has been used against you. Not just them as was intended.

Look at the threads. Every time a Trumper or White Wing or Right Wing describes himself. It is always as a Good American. A Real American. If a majority disagree they aren’t Real Americans like us.

For a century we have written the laws to give the various departments power. Why are we surprised when that power is abused. It has been my entire life. It goes back to Hoover and the blackmail files he kept.

But you and others on the Right don’t want to end the “Deep State”. You want to use it against others. You want it to be a weapon in your arsenal. A tool at your disposal. Not used against you. You are a Real American. A Good American.

This very subject is one of the reasons I did not vote in 2020. I voted for Trump in 16. But I abstained in 2020.

Trump saw first hand the abuses that many citizens have endured. Instead of calling for an end to them. Instead of demanding legislation to prosecute Cops who provide lies to Judges on warrants. Instead of destroying the FBI and perhaps starting over with several smaller and less powerful agencies. He and you screamed Deep State.

Trump had the power to declassify entire programs. To release documents on millions of known abuses. Yet he merely put his own people in charge. It is a useful tool after all. One you can use against your enemies.

When Trump put these guys in charge. They were awesome. Brilliant. The kind of real Americans we needed. Then those people did not do what Trump wanted and they were Deep State plants.

Even now you and the Right won’t admit that every single Agent of these agencies does this sort of thing. You want to pretend it is a few. Democrats. Socialists. They are ******* it up.

Nobody on the Right wants to end the Deep State. They just want to have it to go after their political enemies. I would destroy it. I would end classified projects. I’d release them to the press. I’d let America know what their Government has been doing to them for decades. I’d demand the Congress disestablish the FBI. And I’d appoint the head of the ACLU to the Justice Department. I’d tell him he has one job. Establish iron clad protections for our Civil Rights.

The Deep State isn’t a couple people. It is a mindset that has existed for a century.

Be that as it may, that is still an issue that predates Trump. That was my point. That this current situation is NOT a reaction to his way of doing things. We were on this path, long before TRump.

During World War One. Woodrow Wilson was President. He did not like the statements or advice coming from the State Department. He wanted his Ambassadors to convince the warring parties to just quit fighting and go home.

The State Department told him that was never going to happen. His Ambassadors told him. But Wilson was sure he was right and ignored them. He appointed Colonel House to conduct back channel negotiations.

During this time Wilson ordered the State Department to make their telegraph line available to the Germans. This would allow communication and negotiations with Wilson and the Germans. The Germans sent it in their own codes. This was a violation of the rights and responsibilities of Neutrals. Wilson didn’t care. He was on a moral crusade. Mere international agreements could not hold him back.

And then the Zimmerman Telegram came to light. The Germans has used American Communication systems to plot an attack on America.

If that got out. Oh Baby Wilson would have been run out of Washington on a rail before he was impeached. And tried for treason.

Wilson got Congress to pass the Espionage Act. The entire State Department Telegraph incident was classified Top Secret Divine Eyes Only. Nobody could talk about it. By law they were prohibited.

The true beginning of the power you decry being turned against Trump was Andrew Jackson. He should have been hung as a traitor.

Sounds even worse than Trump's style. Certainly a bigger screw up considering WWI, and WWII.

I would agree. It is one of the excellent reasons learning history is vital. It is not enough to say this is wrong. It must be coupled with an understanding how we got here to find a solution that actually works.

An elective course in High School was enlightening. It covered the Constitution, Law, Courts, Crime, and Police Science.

That class helped me understand the foundation of our Nation. I have since read many books on the subject. Including the Federalist Papers. I am in my Fifties and still reading History Books. Because I want to know more. I want to understand more.

I have said that all Presidents have done things well and done things badly. Every one of them.

I detest Partisanship for the sake of Partisanship. When Obama was elected I was on Democratic Underground. I proposed at that time to have the Democrats move on some issues. My example was Marijuana. Between the Democrats and the Libertarian leaning Republicans they could pass legislation legalizing pot.

Let me say now I don’t smoke pot. I am allergic to it. Any effort to take it will have me in the hospital for days.

However I think the laws prohibiting it are idiotic.

I was told we couldn’t do that because we would have to accept the Libertarian views on everything including Education and Welfare. Before we could act we had to have a supermajority in the Senate.

That is a ridiculous standard. And I said so. If our interests align with another on one issue we can use that. We don’t have to agree on everything. Hell the Democrats don’t agree on everything.

The “Deep State” exists because of legislation. Even when they fix it. They don’t actually fix it.

When Congress held hearings about abuses of the IRS to taxpayers. The IRS was required to come up with new regulations to give the taxpayers a set of rights.

Do you see the irony? The IRS was instructed to come up with Regulations preventing them from abusing people with their regulations. The fox absolutely approved of the chicken coop security plan.

The Deep State is not a handful of Democrats. It isn’t a handful of Trump Supporters. It is a result of a Century or more of deference to the specific departments regarding laws.

The IG report on the FISA Court showed that there were problems with every single Warrant Application. Facts not in evidence. Assertions without any proof.

It wasn’t a handful of Obama Supporters who wanted Hillary to be President. It was standard operating procedure for the FBI and DOJ. They lied all the time on warrant applications. The “Rank and File” were not blameless. They were all doing it.

They did it during the Bundy debacle. They did it during the Bush Years. They did it during the Ford years. The Democrats and the Republicans. And what do we demand? New Regulations preventing what they were already not supposed to be doing.

We posture when the truth is exposed. We don’t fix it. Because both parties want the power it gives them. Trump wanted that power.

i never said that Trump was the answer to everything. Indeed, he only looked as good as he did, because everyone else was complete crap, or worse.


Good stuff about the Dem Underground, and the IRS.


One of the reasons I support(ed) the idea of a National Sales Tax to replace the income tax, was so that the IRS could be disbanded, or at least stopped from dealing with individuals.