trump is demanding Panama returns the canal

[Independent thinker]

Or Panama to agree to a Chinese naval base.

LOL. Well, we've had Biden ceding everything he can while president. He let Afganistan be taken over by terrorists, which signaled Russia they could invade Ukraine, and Biden has consistently tried to get Israel to surrender after being attacked by Hamas. And, he has allowed Iran to access funds which had been sanctioned.

 

[Zincwarrior]

And elections have consequences, *****.

Yes. If Panama gets a Chinese base it will definitely be a consequence.

 

[martybegan]

Yes. If Panama gets a Chinese base it will definitely be a consequence.

That would probably violate the treaty we have with Panama.

From the treaty

After the termination of the Panama Canal Treaty, only the Republic of Panama shall operate the Canal and maintain military forces, defense sites and military installations within its national territory.

https://pancanal.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/neutrality-treaty.pdf

 

[Zincwarrior]

That would probably violate the treaty we have with Panama.

From the treaty




https://pancanal.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/neutrality-treaty.pdf

Their country. Trying to seize it kind of abrogates the treaty too...
And now the real reason for this:

MSN

www.msn.com

Trump Organization Accused of Tax Evasion in Panama: What We Know

What's New​

President-elect Donald Trump has started a quarrel with Panama over the fees it's charging American ships to use the Panama Canal, while the Trump Organization is fighting a court case over taxes in the central American country.

What to Know​

In June 2019, the owners of a Panama City hotel that was managed by Trump's businesses, and carried the Trump brand, accused two companies, Trump Panama Hotel Management LLC and and Trump International Hotels Management LLC, of not paying taxes on their Panamanian earnings.

In a filing to the U.S. district court in New York, private equity manager Orestes Fintiklis and his company, Ithaca Capital Partners, alleged that the Trump businesses failed to pay 12.5% taxes on the millions of dollars they earned from managing the Panama City hotel. They also alleged that the Trump units failed to correctly report the number of people the hotel employed so that he could avoid Panamanian social security payments.

The filing documented how the Panamanian government later conducted a tax audit on the hotel and found major irregularities. Fintiklis and his company were forced to pay the money Trump owed, the court filing alleged.

 

[martybegan]

Their country. Trying to seize it kind of abrogates the treaty too...
And now the real reason for this:

They signed the treaty, and the treaty says they can't have another nation's military base on their soil.

If they break the treaty, we have every right to respond.

 

[Zincwarrior]

They signed the treaty, and the treaty says they can't have another nation's military base on their soil.

If they break the treaty, we have every right to respond.

Where in the treaty is there anything about the US military declaring war on Panama over, tolling prices?

President Musk must be mad about the toll one of his uber yachts had to pay.

 

[martybegan]

Where in the treaty is there anything about the US military declaring war on Panama over, tolling prices?

President Musk must be mad about the toll one of his uber yachts had to pay.

it's not declaring war, dipshit.

(a) The Canal shall be operated efficiently in accordance with conditions of transit through the Canal, and rules and regulations that shall be just, equitable and reasonable, and limited to those necessary for safe navigation and efficient, sanitary operation of the Cana1;

If they don't operate the canal properly, the treaty would be in abeyance.

 

[Zincwarrior]

it's not declaring war, dipshit.



If they don't operate the canal properly, the treaty would be in abeyance.

Its Pananian property. Please cite the clause that requires them to give it back. They have no lease or other legal interest. Trump is just mad he has is being sued for taxes he didn't pay (again).

 

[martybegan]

Its Pananian property. Please cite the clause that requires them to give it back. They have no lease or other legal interest. Trump is just mad he has is being sued for taxes he didn't pay (again).

If they break the neutrality treaty, the old treaty comes back into force.

The original treaty was never revoked, it was amended by this neutrality treaty.

 

[Rawley]

Please, show us what you consider "whining".

"We are gonna be a laughingstock again before he even takes office."

 

[Zincwarrior]

If they break the neutrality treaty, the old treaty comes back into force.

The original treaty was never revoked, it was amended by this neutrality treaty.

PLease cite the provision that occurs. Please cite the provision that the Panama must give back sovereign Panamanian land - the canal - to the US over tolls charged.

 

[martybegan]

PLease cite the provision that occurs. Please cite the provision that the Panama must give back sovereign Panamanian land - the canal - to the US over tolls charged.

They don't maintain operation of the canal properly, they violate the treaty.

Tolls are mentioned as part of it.

What part of the treaty allows China to build a base in Panama?

 

[Zincwarrior]

Treaty is already terminated.

https://2001-2009.state.gov/p/wha/rlnks/11936.htm#:~:text=President%20Jimmy%20Carter%20and%20Panamanian,2000%20and%20guarantees%20its%20neutrality.

Article II

Ratification, Entry Into Force, and Termination


1. The Treaty shall be subject to ratification in accordance with the constitutional procedures of the two Parties. The instruments of ratification of this Treaty shall be exchanged at Panama at the same time as the instruments of ratification of the Treaty Concerning the Permanent Neutrality and Operation of the Panama Canal, signed this date, are exchanged. This Treaty shall enter into force, simultaneously with the Treaty Concerning the Permanent Neutrality and Operation of the Panama Canal, six calendar months from the date of the exchange of the instruments of ratification.

2. This Treaty shall terminate at noon, Panama time, December 31, 1999.

 

[martybegan]

Treaty is already terminated.

https://2001-2009.state.gov/p/wha/rlnks/11936.htm#:~:text=President%20Jimmy%20Carter%20and%20Panamanian,2000%20and%20guarantees%20its%20neutrality.

Based on adherence to the neutrality treaty.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Based on adherence to the neutrality treaty.

Show the provision returning the canal to the US for tolling. Still waiting. I cited the treaty so you may peruse.

 

[martybegan]

Show the provision returning the canal to the US for tolling. Still waiting. I cited the treaty so you may peruse.

Show me where China can legally have a base in Panama.

I cited the section on operation of the Canal, as well as preferential treatment of the US as the builder.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Show me where China can legally have a base in Panama.

I cited the section on operation of the Canal, as well as preferential treatment of the US as the builder.

That treaty no longer exists as of 1999. There are NO provisions for return of the canal to the US. Trump doesn't have a brain in his head. Tomorrow he will be ranting about Canada again.

 

[Arlette]

Panama says nein:

https://thehill.com/policy/international/5053110-president-of-panama-fires-back-at-trump-canal-belongs-to-panama/

Trumpy has to send some suckers and losers over there to change their mind.

 

[martybegan]

That treaty no longer exists as of 1999. There are NO provisions for return of the canal to the US. Trump doesn't have a brain in his head. Tomorrow he will be ranting about Canada again.

Show me where Panama is allowed to have a Chinese base on it's territory.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Show me where Panama is allowed to have a Chinese base on it's territory.

If the US threatens Panama with war, it can do what it wants. The US is the one not being neutral..

Now please show me the treaty requiring Panama to give up the canal for any reason. Pro-tip it doesn't exist, because there is no treaty any more. It has reverted to sovereign Panama territory.