Trump imposes 10% tariff on lumber, 25% on cabinets and furniture in another blow to Canadian producers

[shockedcanadian]

The Creepy Ones have destroyed our nation, especially in Ontario.

Trump is going to defend his nations industries. I hope he also defends your Constitution from foreign influence and abusers, be they in Canada or China.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/trump-tariff-lumber-cabinets-furniture-1.7647134

U.S. President Donald Trump said on Monday he was slapping 10 per cent tariffs on imported timber and lumber and 25 per cent duties on kitchen cabinets, bathroom vanities and upholstered furniture, continuing his tariff assault on global trading partners.

The action is the first in three sectors that Trump said last week would get steep new duties as early as October 1, including patented pharmaceutical imports, and heavy truck imports. Monday's proclamation sets the start of the lumber and furniture duties two weeks later, at 12:01 a.m. ET on Oct. 14.

Trump signed a presidential proclamation laying out his argument that timber, lumber and furniture imports are eroding U.S. national security to justify the new duties under Section 232 of the Trade Act of 1974.

 

[task0778]

Is it really worth it to **** with our neighbors? These guys are our friends, they went to war with us. All the arguments about who pays for tariffs is about to be answered shortly; check the price at Lowes or Home Depot on the price of a 2 by 4 and then see what it will be a few months down the road. Anything and everything that uses wood is about to go up in price if these tariffs go into effect and stay that way until these tariffs go away.

 

[shockedcanadian]

Is it really worth it to **** with our neighbors? These guys are our friends, they went to war with us. All the arguments about who pays for tariffs is about to be answered shortly; check the price at Lowes or Home Depot on the price of a 2 by 4 and then see what it will be a few months down the road. Anything and everything that uses wood is about to go up in price if these tariffs go into effect and stay that way until these tariffs go away.

It depends, do American police believe Canadian police without questions?

If so, yes, it is not just worth it, it is necessary.

Americans have no clue what has been going on here for the last 150 years. I've lobbied hard for years for us to change, now they destroy me.

Believe that.

 

[P@triot]

Well, our "allies" shouldn't have spent the past 50 years or so crushing the U.S. with tariffs. That's not what "allies" do to each other. I hope Trump crushes Canada with so many tariffs that the liberal hellhole of misery collapses. Maybe that will teach them a lesson that they will retain for generations (but I doubt it since liberalism is incapable of learning).

 

[P@triot]

Is it really worth it to **** with our neighbors? These guys are our friends, they went to war with us.

The "neighbors" who spent 50 years or so tariff'ing the ever-living-**** out of the United States? The "friends" who spent decades imposing tariffs on the U.S. while none were imposed on them? That kind of "friend"?

The mental gymnastics you people employ are truly mind-boggling.

 

[task0778]

It depends, do American police believe Canadian police without questions?

If so, yes, it is not just worth it, it is necessary.

Americans have no clue what has been going on here for the last 150 years. I've lobbied hard for years for us to change, now they destroy me.

Believe that.

I'm not sure it's any of our business when it comes to Canadian policing, unless there is a threat to us. Which I ain't seeing. Are they that much of a problem, economically? There's something called comparative advantage, where if somebody can make stuff better and cheaper than we can, then we should take advantage of that. But when you use protectionist measures such as tariffs, then you are hurting your own people by forcing them to pay higher prices for stuff. Some people would deny that, but history bears that out.

 

[shockedcanadian]

I'm not sure it's any of our business when it comes to Canadian policing, unless there is a threat to us. Which I ain't seeing. Are they that much of a problem, economically? There's something called comparative advantage, where if somebody can make stuff better and cheaper than we can, then we should take advantage of that. But when you use protectionist measures such as tariffs, then you are hurting your own people by forcing them to pay higher prices for stuff. Some people would deny that, but history bears that out.

Unfortunately some in the U.S have made it their business in your obedience.

Initially it might be understandable. Decades later with all you have heard from me on this forum alone, these same agencies KNOW that it's B.S.

Therefore, I can only ascertain that you have many bad apples in America too and they operate in the same manner.

If true, your economy will eventually die along with your reputation. It's how all dishonest police states end.

 

[task0778]

Unfortunately some in the U.S have made it their business in your obedience.

Initially it might be understandable. Decades later with all you have heard from me on this forum alone, these same agencies KNOW that it's B.S.

Therefore, I can only ascertain that you have many bad apples in America too and they operate in the same manner.

If true, your economy will eventually die along with your reputation. It's how all dishonest police states end.

I am afraid that your assessment is correct. It's always possible that at some point in the future a leader(s) will emerge that brings us together, at least moreso than we are now. But at this point I do not consider that as likely.

My question is: is Canadian lumber, furniture, and cabinets really a threat to our national security? Or is it mostly populist protectionist crap that is done for political reasons?

 

[shockedcanadian]

I am afraid that your assessment is correct. It's always possible that at some point in the future a leader(s) will emerge that brings us together, at least moreso than we are now. But at this point I do not consider that as likely.

My question is: is Canadian lumber, furniture, and cabinets really a threat to our national security? Or is it mostly populist protectionist crap that is done for political reasons?

Perhaps it is an "equalizer" for nations that violate laws and whom employ covert operatives to infiltrate American corporations who operate in Canada?

Your State Department knows WAY more now than even 10 years ago and I informed the Obama administration who took notice at that time so...

There is no doubt, Americans don't understand Canada. Unfortunately I am the sacrificed lamb for wanting due process and liberty.

G-d as my witness. On the graves of my grandparents, I have spoken the truth and not even shared on here the more intimate details.

Our only hope now is for the courts to do the right thing. As I suffer, so does our discretion and secrecy.

 

[task0778]

There is no doubt, Americans don't understand Canada. Unfortunately I am the sacrificed lamb for wanting due process and liberty.

G-d as my witness. On the graves of my grandparents, I have spoken the truth and not even shared on here the more intimate details.

Our only hope now is for the courts to do the right thing. As I suffer, so does our discretion and secrecy.

I do not doubt your truth, but whatever is going on in Canada is not my/our problem. That may sound callous and maybe it is, but unless we (USA) are affected in a material and substantial way then we pretty much need to mind our own business. That's just my 2 cents. Hence my earlier question: are Canadian lumber and wood products that substantial that warrant Trump's tariffs? I'm not interested in his say-so, what are the facts upon the ground?


We will soon see what the Supreme Court does about Trump's tariffs. Their function is basically to interpret the Constitution and decide if Trump has stretched his authority too far beyond his enumerated powers. Whatever their ruling is has to be grounded in law as it's basis, they are not supposed to determine if it's fair or the right thing to do. Is there a limit to his ability to issue tariffs that is written in law? Isn't it Congress' duty to specify such limits rather than the SC?

 

[shockedcanadian]

I do not doubt your truth, but whatever is going on in Canada is not my/our problem. That may sound callous and maybe it is, but unless we (USA) are affected in a material and substantial way then we pretty much need to mind our own business. That's just my 2 cents. Hence my earlier question: are Canadian lumber and wood products that substantial that warrant Trump's tariffs? I'm not interested in his say-so, what are the facts upon the ground?


We will soon see what the Supreme Court does about Trump's tariffs. Their function is basically to interpret the Constitution and decide if Trump has stretched his authority too far beyond his enumerated powers. Whatever their ruling is has to be grounded in law as it's basis, they are not supposed to determine if it's fair or the right thing to do. Is there a limit to his ability to issue tariffs that is written in law? Isn't it Congress' duty to specify such limits rather than the SC?

You are impacted by any nation that doesn't support basic premises. You allow the theft of IP, tampering of jobs to manipulate policies etc.

This is serious business.

Trump is now asking us to become the 51st state again. He realizes the plight is in and is attempting to press his beliefs on it as more and more Canadians become homeless or starve on the streets (when they aren't given the privilege of state-assisted suicide).

Canada more than ever is either an ally or a threat. I've worked tirelessly to try and convince Canadians to be an ally. What Trump and Patel are doing with the FBI for instance, demanding that they operate by the book and be accountable to the Constitution is not done in Canada. Not since Mulroney broke up the extremely corrupt RCMP.

TPS, OPP, DRPS, Peel Region Police. They are destroying Ontario. By osmosis, they are hurting America and there are dirty trick campaigns which your police agencies are supporting even as they hurt your economy and reputation.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

The "neighbors" who spent 50 years or so tariff'ing the ever-living-**** out of the United States? The "friends" who spent decades imposing tariffs on the U.S. while none were imposed on them? That kind of "friend"?

The mental gymnastics you people employ are truly mind-boggling.

Trump and his cult are experts.

 

[P@triot]

Trump and his cult are experts.

Typical leftist response. Nothing original. Nothing informative. Nothing of value. Just a 2nd grade level of intellect with what amounts to "I'm rubber...you're glue". It's clear why you people want government to act like mommy & daddy.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Typical leftist response. Nothing original. Nothing informative. Nothing of value. Just a 2nd grade level of intellect with what amounts to "I'm rubber...you're glue". It's clear why you people want government to act like mommy & daddy.

Too funny.

Mommy and daddy?...................

 

[P@triot]

Too funny.

Mommy and daddy?...................

1. It's hilarious that you think building wealth is a bad thing

2. What in the world does that have to do with "mommy & daddy"? Trump isn't bragging that he will coddle and control billionaires. He's stating that he will get government out of the way so the free market can thrive. Isn't it crazy that you needed that explained to you?

 

[task0778]

The "neighbors" who spent 50 years or so tariff'ing the ever-living-**** out of the United States? The "friends" who spent decades imposing tariffs on the U.S. while none were imposed on them? That kind of "friend"?

The mental gymnastics you people employ are truly mind-boggling.

Doesn't look like 'tariff'ing the ever-living-**** out of the United States' to me.


In 2024, the U.S. recorded a $63.3 billion trade deficit with Canada in goods; however, this number is misleading when viewed in isolation.

A significant portion of this deficit comes from U.S. imports of Canadian oil and gas, raw materials that are refined in Houston and resold to Canada at three times the price as finished fuels. Strip out the energy component, and the U.S. actually runs a surplus in goods trade with Canada.

In other words, what looks like a one-sided loss for the U.S. is actually a strategic necessity, fueling the American economy and creating profit opportunities downstream.
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In 2023, the U.S. posted a $31.7 billion services trade surplus with Canada. This includes everything from consulting contracts to digital subscriptions like Netflix, Microsoft, and other platforms that Canadians purchase in large numbers.​

While the goods deficit grabs attention, the services surplus significantly offsets it. When goods and services are combined, the overall deficit shrinks by half
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Foreign direct investment may be the most overlooked pillar of all. Canadians invest heavily in U.S. real estate, businesses, and markets, far more than Americans invest north of the border.

• Canadian FDI in the U.S. (2022): $683 billion
• U.S. FDI in Canada (2022): $438 billion

That’s a $245 billion gap in favor of the U.S., as Canadian investors funnel more money into U.S. homes, stocks, and businesses. For every American buying a cottage in Ontario, there are countless Canadians buying homes in Florida, Arizona, or California and spending money at American companies like Home Depot. This FDI imbalance alone puts the U.S. ahead by over $200 Billion.

Pillar 4: U.S.-Owned Corporations in Canada​

The final pillar is less quantifiable but equally important: the presence of U.S.-owned corporations operating in Canada.

Household names like McDonald’s, FedEx, Best Buy, Marriott, Home Depot, and Lowe’s are American companies generating profits on Canadian soil. Those earnings are repatriated to U.S. parent companies, further strengthening the American economy by way of Canadian consumers.

While not officially measured in trade statistics, this steady flow of profits is another way the U.S. quietly benefits from the trading relationship.

When all four pillars are considered, the narrative shifts dramatically. The oft-cited goods trade deficit is only one piece of a much larger puzzle. Services trade, foreign direct investment, and U.S.-owned corporations all tilt the scales heavily in favor of the United States.

Canada Tariff Rate 35% - TariffCheck.org

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[Nuthin' Fancy]

1. It's hilarious that you think building wealth is a bad thing

Through the government, you dumb ass.

2. What in the world does that have to do with "mommy & daddy"?

Billionaires getting their mommy and daddy to give them even more $$$ they don't need.

Trump isn't bragging that he will coddle and control billionaires. He's stating that he will get government out of the way so the free market can thrive.

The "Free Market" that just happened to give a donation to the orange POS?

Isn't it crazy that you needed that explained to you?

It's crazy, you believe your own BULLSHIT.

 

[P@triot]

Doesn't look like 'tariff'ing the ever-living-**** out of the United States' to me.

That's because you're weak-minded, causing you to not only be susceptible to propaganda, but also resulting in a total lack of just common sense.

1. Saying "well if just don't count XYZ, then we have a surplus" is astounding absurdity. Turn it around - if we don't count surplus then we have a MASSIVE trade deficit. See how idiotic that sounds?

2. Furthermore, just imagine what our "surplus" would be without any tariffs from Canada at all. Your shockingly idiotic position is "well that isn't bad...no need to do better". That's liberalism in a microcosm right there. Always looking to lower the bar. Why not force Canada to remove all tariffs and have even more prosperity for the United States?

3. And most importantly, Canada had thousands of tariffs on US products (agricultural products, steel, etc.). Thousands and thousands. I think it was (26,000?). I can't remember the exact number, but it was shocking. Takes a special kind of stupidity to even attempt to declare "that's not tariff'ing the ever-loving-**** out of the United States".

 

[P@triot]

Through the government, you dumb ass.

Removing failed Democrat policies of unconstitutional government control is the polar opposite of "through the government". Good grief, you shouldn't need something this simple explained to you.

Billionaires getting their mommy and daddy to give them even more $$$ they don't need.

The government isn't "giving" billionaires money. Allowing them to keep what was already theirs isn't "giving".

The "Free Market" that just happened to give a donation to the orange POS?

What are you talking about? The free market is a system. It has no money to give, and it has no ability to give it. It's not a person. It's not a company. It's a type of system.

It's crazy, you believe your own BULLSHIT.

It's so sad to see you repeating outrageous left-wing lies that basic common sense instantly defeats.

 

[task0778]

That's because you're weak-minded, causing you to not only be susceptible to propaganda, but also resulting in a total lack of just common sense.

1. Saying "well if just don't count XYZ, then we have a surplus" is astounding absurdity. Turn it around - if we don't count surplus then we have a MASSIVE trade deficit. See how idiotic that sounds?

2. Furthermore, just imagine what our "surplus" would be without any tariffs from Canada at all. Your shockingly idiotic position is "well that isn't bad...no need to do better". That's liberalism in a microcosm right there. Always looking to lower the bar. Why not force Canada to remove all tariffs and have even more prosperity for the United States?

3. And most importantly, Canada had thousands of tariffs on US products (agricultural products, steel, etc.). Thousands and thousands. I think it was (26,000?). I can't remember the exact number, but it was shocking. Takes a special kind of stupidity to even attempt to declare "that's not tariff'ing the ever-loving-**** out of the United States".

Maybe you should support your claims with a link to a credible source. As it is now, I think you're fulla crap. A $63 billion trade deficit last year is peanuts to our economy.

Prior to Trump's tariffs,

Under the Canada-United States-Mexico Agreement (CUSMA), 98 per cent of goods entering Canada from the U.S. have no tariffs – or at least, they didn't before the trade war.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/tariffs-before-trade-war-1.7485622