Trump hit with criminal charges in New York, a first for a US ex-president -New York Times

[MisterBeale]

 

[Stann]

No, in fact he didn't.

He committed far less war crimes, objectively, than any other president we have had in the 21st century.

Believe whatever you wish, he left the country in a very bad shape physically and morally.

 

[MisterBeale]

Believe whatever you wish, he left the country in a very bad shape physically and morally.

He would have never been elected, had the nation not already been put in that shape, by the psychopaths that always seize the top positions of power, and their blind selfish policies.


The DNC nominating process, and the Wikileaks attest to this.

The very fact that Wassermanshultz still kept her seat in Congress? Is even still more evidence of the corruption in the judicial system & the bureaucracy.

 

[Stann]

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Way to pit one political against the other. Makee them enemies. That's trump's super power creating more hate in the world

 

[Stann]

He would have never been elected, had the nation not already been put in that shape, by the psychopaths that always seize the top positions of power, and their blind selfish policies.


The DNC nominating process, and the Wikileaks attest to this.

The very fact that Wassermanshultz still kept her seat in Congress? Is even still more evidence of the corruption in the judicial system & the bureaucracy.

To many people believed he would change things for the better, he didn't he made them worse. Hate does no one any good especially the haters

 

[Mindful]

Way to pit one political against the other. Makee them enemies. That's trump's super power creating more hate in the world

Nothing but trouble and strife since Biden’s tenure.

Not bad for a senile old goat.

 

[MisterBeale]

To many people believed he would change things for the better, he didn't he made them worse. Hate does no one any good especially the haters

I'd say an equal number, just knew how bad Clinton was, and thought, "NO WAY IN HELL!"

. . . and?

Even if he were in jail?

Given who Biden is, if he dares to run again? A lot of folks would vote for Trump again, for the same reason again.

 

[gipper]

And every other politician we have had, lies about, and falsifies records and shit. They are all frauds.

What the hell is your point? Other than the establishment has double standards, and is being politicized.

But our other pols? They are all yes men, owned by the folks that own this nation.

It is not a whole lot different than living in Russia or China. You either now toe the party line, or you are prosecuted, assassinated, or not allowed to play the game in the first place. The fact that you are gas-lighting the forum about this shit? Makes you look, terribly pathetic. Or terminally stoopid.

Even a far lefty can see what is plainly obvious. . . .

Chris Hedges: The Donald Trump Problem

Donald Trump is not being targeted for the misdemeanors and serious felonies he appears to have committed but for discrediting and undermining the entrenched power of the ruling duopoly. Make Me Great Again – by Mr. Fish. By Chris Hedges ScheerPost.com Donald Trump — facing four governmen

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"Donald Trump — facing four government-run investigations, three criminal and one civil, targeting himself and his business — is not being targeted because of his crimes. Nearly every serious crime he is accused of carrying out has been committed by his political rivals.

He is being targeted because he is deemed dangerous for his willingness, at least rhetorically, to reject the Washington Consensus regarding neoliberal free-market and free-trade policies, as well as the idea that the U.S. should oversee a global empire. He has not only belittled the ruling ideology, but urged his supporters to attack the apparatus that maintains the duopoly by declaring the 2020 election illegitimate.. . . .


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". . . Finally, New York Attorney General Letitia James is bringing a civil lawsuit alleging the Trump Organization lied about its assets in order to secure bank loans. If the attorney general’s lawsuit is successful, Trump and other members of his family may be barred from doing business in New York, including buying property there for five years.

Trump’s alleged offenses should be investigated. Though, the cases involving Daniels and the retention of classified documents seem relatively minor and similar to those committed by Trump’s political opponents.

Last year, Hillary Clinton’s 2016 campaign and the DNC agreed to pay a fine of $8,000 and $105,000 respectively, for mislabelling a $175,000 expenditure on opposition research, namely the long-discredited “Steele Dossier,” as “legal expenses.” The improper retention of classified documents has typically resulted in a slap on the wrist when other powerful politicians have been investigated. Clinton, for example, used private email servers instead of a government email account when she was secretary of state.

The F.B.I. concluded that she sent and received materials classified as top secret on her private server. Ultimately, F.B.I. director James Comey declined to prosecute her. Trump’s former vice president Mike Pence and Biden also had classified documents at their homes, though we are told this may have been “inadvertent.” The discovery of these classified documents, rather than triggering outrage in most of the media, initiated a conversation about “overclassification.”

Former C.I.A. director David Petraeus was given two years probation and a $100,000 fine after he admitted to providing highly classified “black books” that contained handwritten classified notes about official meetings, war strategy, intelligence capabilities and the names of covert officers to his lover, Paula Broadwell, who was also writing a fawning biography of Petraeus.

As was the case with Nixon, the most serious charges Trump may face involve his attack on the foundations of the two-party duopoly, especially undermining the peaceable transfer of power from one branch of the duopoly to the other. In Georgia, Trump could face very serious criminal charges with potentially lengthy sentences if convicted, likewise if the federal special prosecutor indicts Trump for unlawful interference in the 2020 election. We won’t know until any indictments are made public.

Yet, the most egregious of Trump’s actions while in office either received minimal media coverage, were downplayed or lauded as acts carried out in defense of democracy and the U.S.-led international order.

Why hasn’t Trump been criminally investigated for the act of war he committed against Iran and Iraq when he assassinated Iranian Major General Qassem Soleimani and nine other people with a drone strike in Baghdad airport? Iraqi Prime Minister Adel Abdul-Mahdi condemned the strike and told his parliament that Trump lied in order to get Soleimani exposed in Iraq as part of peace talks between Iraq, Iran and Saudi Arabia. Iraq’s parliament passed a resolution demanding that all foreign troops leave the country, which the U.S. government proceeded to reject.

Why not prosecute or impeach Trump for pressuring his secretary of state to lie and say that Iran wasn’t complying with the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, known as the Iran nuclear deal? Trump ultimately fired him and resumed unilateral, devastating and illegal sanctions against Iran, in violation of international law and quite possibly domestic U.S. law.. . . . "

Hedges as usual, puts it all into perspective. Trump’s predecessors did far worse than anything he’s accused of, yet this is ignored. W can lie the nation to war resulting in over a million casualties and destruction of a nation with O, Joe, and Hill doing much the same, but the nation sees nothing wrong with their actions.

Not that dumb Don doesn’t deserve consequences for his actions but when his predecessors are obvious war criminals who face no consequences, this becomes nothing but a show trial.

This country is beyond fucked up.

 

[gipper]

To many people believed he would change things for the better, he didn't he made them worse. Hate does no one any good especially the haters

I’m guessing you consume prodigious amounts of establishment media.

 

[gipper]

I'd say an equal number, just knew how bad Clinton was, and thought, "NO WAY IN HELL!"

. . . and?

Even if he were in jail?

Given who Biden is, if he dares to run again? A lot of folks would vote for Trump again, for the same reason again.

It’s truly amazing to see how easily deceived so many Americans are. It’s like they're living in an alternate reality.

Yet another example of how messed up we are as a country.

 

[MisterBeale]

Hedges as usual, puts it all into perspective. Trump’s predecessors did far worse than anything he’s accused of, yet this is ignored. W can lie the nation to war resulting in over a million casualties and destruction of a nation with O, Joe, and Hill doing much the same, but the nation sees nothing wrong with their actions.

Not that dumb Don doesn’t deserve consequences for his actions but when his predecessors are obvious war criminals who face no consequences, this becomes nothing but a show trial.

This country is beyond fucked up.

Of course it is. This Trump trial, hell, even the upcoming election, is just a distraction for the globalists, as they shoehorn the entire world into a global fascist technocracy.

 

[Faun]

You haven't figured it out yet?
Bragg surely will lose down the road.......the dems know this.The object, win or lose, is a mugshot of Trump for 2024.
That's where this is.

Bottom line is rightards want Trump to get away with committing crimes.

 

[Faun]

The left just doesn't understand what has just happened.........a political party has used the justice system as a political tool...having worked up to it by using the FBI, DOJ, the State Dept. as their personal gestapo......now they are using the Judiciary as their political weapon..........

They can do this in any state they control...they can create any charges they want........they can target anyone they want....

They have crossed a line and they didn't look back.........


We know where this is heading.....we have seen what the left does since 1917........

So if Trump committed any crimes, he should not be prosecuted?

Do you even realize THIS is exactly what Trump meant when he said he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and not lose any supporters?

#becauseitsacult

 

[gipper]

Of course it is. This Trump trial, hell, even the upcoming election, is just a distraction for the globalists, as they shoehorn the entire world into a global fascist technocracy.

Yes and few see this, though it’s apparent to some of us. It’s as if we’re all happily marching in unison over the cliff.

The blindness of many Americans just blows my mind.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Done on the orders and behalf of Trump
If Cohen went to prison

Why shouldnt Trump?

No it wasn't according to Cohen

 

[rightwinger]

No it wasn't according to Cohen

Not what Cohen recently testified

Who Will a jury believe?
Trump or Cohen?

 

[MisterBeale]

Yes and few see this, though it’s apparent to some of us. It’s as if we’re all happily marching in unison over the cliff.

The blindness of many Americans just blows my mind.

Agreed. You would think it'd be obvious by now.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Not what Cohen recently testified

Who Will a jury believe?
Trump or Cohen?

So the convicted liar changed what he said under oath?

 

[rightwinger]

So the convicted liar changed what he said under oath?

Which liar will a jury believe?
Do you feel lucky?

 

[Faun]

I don't want to share a nation with you Mac. I am done with it.

Half the nation feels the way I do.

Things that are inevitable are inevitable.

So when are you leaving?