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Dummy doesn't understand history? lol
Trump Has The Edge Because...
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Dad2three
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Whose debt???1980
1984
Any questions?
Reagan's Administration Was Among the Most Corrupt
The presidency of Ronald Reagan in the United States was marked by multiple scandals, resulting in the investigation, indictment, or conviction of over 138 administration officials, the largest number for any US president.
Reagan administration scandals - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Lesson for ‘Fiscal Cliff’ negotiators: The Reagan-O’Neill tax hike
MORE right wing mythology, lol
The historical myth that Reagan raised $1 of taxes in exchange for $3 of spending cuts
The Facts
...Despite Reagan’s claim that he made a deal with the Democrats, the Senate at the time was controlled by Republicans. Sen. Bob Dole of Kansas — then chairman of the Finance Committee and later the majority leader and Republican nominee for president — was a driving force behind a big tax increase because he was concerned about soaring deficits after Reagan had boosted defense spending and slashed taxes.
Dole warned the White House that the final year of Reagan’s three-year tax cut was at risk unless revenue could be raised in other ways...
In fact, historical budget data show that Congress did reduce spending.
From 1982 to 1983, nondefense discretionary spending fell from 4.3 percent to 4.2 percent of the overall economy (gross domestic product) — and then kept falling until it reached 3.4 percent of GDP in 1989. Defense spending kept going up until 1986.
The Pinocchio Test
It is time to abandon this myth. Reagan may have convinced himself he had been snookered, but that belief is based on a fundamental misunderstanding of the deal he had reached.
Congress was never expected to match the tax increases with spending cuts on a 3-to-1 basis. Reagan appeared to acknowledge this in his speech when he referred to outlays (which would include interest expenses), rather than spending cuts. In the end, lawmakers apparently did a better job of living up to the bargain than the administration did.
If people want to cite the lessons of history, they need to get the history right in the first place.
Four Pinocchios
The historical myth that Reagan raised $1 of taxes in exchange for $3 of spending cuts
LMAOROG
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Thomas P. O'neil was a liar. He made a deal he had no intention of honoring. Fuckwads like you will search for ways to justify his dishonesty and deceit but it's still dishonesty and deceit.
poor HumanEventsthe trickle down people
Speaker tip O'Neil held out for the little guy, Boner will hold out for his pay masters at the top 1%
Dad2three
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When Reagan was (much) less popular than Carter
By 1992, three years after he left the White House, Ronald Reagan was anything but a beloved former president. As a painful recession gripped the country, the public came to see the Reagan years — which featured a massive defense buildup, soaring deficits and even a stock market crash in 1987 — as the source of their economic woes. Running for president that year, Bill Clinton promised to enact a clean break from the “failed policies of Reagan and Bush.” As Reagan prepared to speak at the Republican National Convention in August, a Gallup poll found that just 46 percent of Americans had a favorable view of him. By contrast, Jimmy Carter, the man Reagan had defeated in a 44-state rout in 1980, was viewed favorably by 63 percent of the American public. The Reagan presidency stood in something approaching disrepute.
Today, though, you’d never know any of this happened. In the two decades since it bottomed out, Reagan’s image has been resurrected, thanks largely to a relentless campaign from conservative activists.
When Reagan was (much) less popular than Carter - Salon.com
How Republicans created the myth of Ronald Reagan
The myth of Ronald Reagan was already looming in the spring of 1997 — when a highly popular President Bill Clinton was launching his second-term, pre-Monica Lewinsky, and the Republican brand seemed at low ebb. But what neoconservative activist Grover Norquist and his allies proposed that spring was virtually unheard of — an active, mapped-out, audacious campaign to spread a distorted vision of Reagan’s legacy across America.
In a sense, some of the credit for triggering this may belong to those supposedly liberal editors at the New York Times, and their decision at the end of 1996 to publish that Arthur Schlesinger Jr. survey of the presidents. The below-average rating by the historians for Reagan, coming right on the heels of Clintons’ easy reelection victory, was a wake-up call for these people who came to Washington in the 1980s as the shock troops of a revolution and now saw everything slipping away.
How Republicans created the myth of Ronald Reagan - Salon.com
Dad2three
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Thomas P. O'neil was a liar. He made a deal he had no intention of honoring. Fuckwads like you will search for ways to justify his dishonesty and deceit but it's still dishonesty and deceit.
poor HumanEvents
Speaker tip O'Neil held out for the little guy, Boner will hold out for his pay masters at the top 1%
The historical myth that Reagan raised $1 of taxes in exchange for $3 of spending cuts
If people want to cite the lessons of history, they need to get the history right in the first place.
Four Pinocchios
The historical myth that Reagan raised $1 of taxes in exchange for $3 of spending cuts
Dad2three
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Thomas P. O'neil was a liar. He made a deal he had no intention of honoring. Fuckwads like you will search for ways to justify his dishonesty and deceit but it's still dishonesty and deceit.
poor HumanEvents
Speaker tip O'Neil held out for the little guy, Boner will hold out for his pay masters at the top 1%
The historical myth that Reagan raised $1 of taxes in exchange for $3 of spending cuts
It had become an article of faith by conservatives that President Reagan reluctantly agreed to raise taxes in his first term in office — and that Congress then failed to follow through on promised spending cuts.
But when we actually examined the historical record, it turned out this was a fairy tale. There was never any such agreement — though Reagan convinced himself there was, based on a misunderstanding.
In the end, Congress actually held up its end of the bargain pretty well — and the failure to make certain cuts was the fault of the Reagan administration itself. (In particularly, Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger simply refused to comply with the agreement.)
Anyone who utters this claim gets an instant Four Pinocchio's!
The historical myth that Reagan raised $1 of taxes in exchange for $3 of spending cuts
IN CASE, AS USUAL, YOU MISS THE FIRST TWO TIMES BUBBA, lol
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Tell ya what, dickwad, start a new thread on Reagan and I'll ***** slap you over there. In the meantime, address the topic of this thread or get lost.Thomas P. O'neil was a liar. He made a deal he had no intention of honoring. Fuckwads like you will search for ways to justify his dishonesty and deceit but it's still dishonesty and deceit.
poor HumanEvents
Speaker tip O'Neil held out for the little guy, Boner will hold out for his pay masters at the top 1%
The historical myth that Reagan raised $1 of taxes in exchange for $3 of spending cuts
It had become an article of faith by conservatives that President Reagan reluctantly agreed to raise taxes in his first term in office — and that Congress then failed to follow through on promised spending cuts.
But when we actually examined the historical record, it turned out this was a fairy tale. There was never any such agreement — though Reagan convinced himself there was, based on a misunderstanding.
In the end, Congress actually held up its end of the bargain pretty well — and the failure to make certain cuts was the fault of the Reagan administration itself. (In particularly, Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger simply refused to comply with the agreement.)
Anyone who utters this claim gets an instant Four Pinocchio's!
The historical myth that Reagan raised $1 of taxes in exchange for $3 of spending cuts
IN CASE, AS USUAL, YOU MISS THE FIRST TWO TIMES BUBBA, lol
Dad2three
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Tell ya what, dickwad, start a new thread on Reagan and I'll ***** slap you over there. In the meantime, address the topic of this thread or get lost.Thomas P. O'neil was a liar. He made a deal he had no intention of honoring. Fuckwads like you will search for ways to justify his dishonesty and deceit but it's still dishonesty and deceit.
poor HumanEvents
Speaker tip O'Neil held out for the little guy, Boner will hold out for his pay masters at the top 1%
The historical myth that Reagan raised $1 of taxes in exchange for $3 of spending cuts
It had become an article of faith by conservatives that President Reagan reluctantly agreed to raise taxes in his first term in office — and that Congress then failed to follow through on promised spending cuts.
But when we actually examined the historical record, it turned out this was a fairy tale. There was never any such agreement — though Reagan convinced himself there was, based on a misunderstanding.
In the end, Congress actually held up its end of the bargain pretty well — and the failure to make certain cuts was the fault of the Reagan administration itself. (In particularly, Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger simply refused to comply with the agreement.)
Anyone who utters this claim gets an instant Four Pinocchio's!
The historical myth that Reagan raised $1 of taxes in exchange for $3 of spending cuts
IN CASE, AS USUAL, YOU MISS THE FIRST TWO TIMES BUBBA, lol
IN OTHER WORDS DUMBASS, YOU LIED ABOUT TIP AS YOU PUCKERED UP FOR RONNIE. Got it, lol
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Start another thread and we'll discuss it. In the meantime, address the topic or leave the thread.Tell ya what, dickwad, start a new thread on Reagan and I'll ***** slap you over there. In the meantime, address the topic of this thread or get lost.Thomas P. O'neil was a liar. He made a deal he had no intention of honoring. Fuckwads like you will search for ways to justify his dishonesty and deceit but it's still dishonesty and deceit.
poor HumanEvents
Speaker tip O'Neil held out for the little guy, Boner will hold out for his pay masters at the top 1%
The historical myth that Reagan raised $1 of taxes in exchange for $3 of spending cuts
It had become an article of faith by conservatives that President Reagan reluctantly agreed to raise taxes in his first term in office — and that Congress then failed to follow through on promised spending cuts.
But when we actually examined the historical record, it turned out this was a fairy tale. There was never any such agreement — though Reagan convinced himself there was, based on a misunderstanding.
In the end, Congress actually held up its end of the bargain pretty well — and the failure to make certain cuts was the fault of the Reagan administration itself. (In particularly, Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger simply refused to comply with the agreement.)
Anyone who utters this claim gets an instant Four Pinocchio's!
The historical myth that Reagan raised $1 of taxes in exchange for $3 of spending cuts
IN CASE, AS USUAL, YOU MISS THE FIRST TWO TIMES BUBBA, lol
IN OTHER WORDS DUMBASS, YOU LIED ABOUT TIP AS YOU PUCKERED UP FOR RONNIE. Got it, lol
Dad2three
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Start another thread and we'll discuss it. In the meantime, address the topic or leave the thread.Tell ya what, dickwad, start a new thread on Reagan and I'll ***** slap you over there. In the meantime, address the topic of this thread or get lost.Thomas P. O'neil was a liar. He made a deal he had no intention of honoring. Fuckwads like you will search for ways to justify his dishonesty and deceit but it's still dishonesty and deceit.poor HumanEvents
Speaker tip O'Neil held out for the little guy, Boner will hold out for his pay masters at the top 1%
The historical myth that Reagan raised $1 of taxes in exchange for $3 of spending cuts
It had become an article of faith by conservatives that President Reagan reluctantly agreed to raise taxes in his first term in office — and that Congress then failed to follow through on promised spending cuts.
But when we actually examined the historical record, it turned out this was a fairy tale. There was never any such agreement — though Reagan convinced himself there was, based on a misunderstanding.
In the end, Congress actually held up its end of the bargain pretty well — and the failure to make certain cuts was the fault of the Reagan administration itself. (In particularly, Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger simply refused to comply with the agreement.)
Anyone who utters this claim gets an instant Four Pinocchio's!
The historical myth that Reagan raised $1 of taxes in exchange for $3 of spending cuts
IN CASE, AS USUAL, YOU MISS THE FIRST TWO TIMES BUBBA, lol
IN OTHER WORDS DUMBASS, YOU LIED ABOUT TIP AS YOU PUCKERED UP FOR RONNIE. Got it, lol
WASN'T THIS YOU BUBBA:
POST 79 "S.J. said:
"Whose debt???
Lesson for ‘Fiscal Cliff’ negotiators: The Reagan-O’Neill tax hike"
THEN THIS:
POST 85 S.J. said:
"Thomas P. O'neil was a liar. He made a deal he had no intention of honoring. Fuckwads like you will search for ways to justify his dishonesty and deceit but it's still dishonesty and deceit."
HMM, THE OP SEEMS TO NOT WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING HE'S BEEN PROVEN A LIAR ABOUT? Weird!
The historical myth that Reagan raised $1 of taxes in exchange for $3 of spending cuts
The historical myth that Reagan raised $1 of taxes in exchange for $3 of spending cuts
Dad2three
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C_Clayton_Jones
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When Trump fails to win the nomination, of course, we'll not hear from the OP to admit he was wrong.
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Yeah, it was me, asshole. Now can we get back to the topic? Start a thread on Reagan if you're unable to transition back to the topic.Start another thread and we'll discuss it. In the meantime, address the topic or leave the thread.Tell ya what, dickwad, start a new thread on Reagan and I'll ***** slap you over there. In the meantime, address the topic of this thread or get lost.
The historical myth that Reagan raised $1 of taxes in exchange for $3 of spending cuts
It had become an article of faith by conservatives that President Reagan reluctantly agreed to raise taxes in his first term in office — and that Congress then failed to follow through on promised spending cuts.
But when we actually examined the historical record, it turned out this was a fairy tale. There was never any such agreement — though Reagan convinced himself there was, based on a misunderstanding.
In the end, Congress actually held up its end of the bargain pretty well — and the failure to make certain cuts was the fault of the Reagan administration itself. (In particularly, Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger simply refused to comply with the agreement.)
Anyone who utters this claim gets an instant Four Pinocchio's!
The historical myth that Reagan raised $1 of taxes in exchange for $3 of spending cuts
IN CASE, AS USUAL, YOU MISS THE FIRST TWO TIMES BUBBA, lol
IN OTHER WORDS DUMBASS, YOU LIED ABOUT TIP AS YOU PUCKERED UP FOR RONNIE. Got it, lol
WASN'T THIS YOU BUBBA:
POST 79 "S.J. said:
"Whose debt???
Lesson for ‘Fiscal Cliff’ negotiators: The Reagan-O’Neill tax hike"
THEN THIS:
POST 85 S.J. said:
"Thomas P. O'neil was a liar. He made a deal he had no intention of honoring. Fuckwads like you will search for ways to justify his dishonesty and deceit but it's still dishonesty and deceit."
HMM, THE OP SEEMS TO NOT WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING HE'S BEEN PROVEN A LIAR ABOUT? Weird!
The historical myth that Reagan raised $1 of taxes in exchange for $3 of spending cuts
The historical myth that Reagan raised $1 of taxes in exchange for $3 of spending cuts
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If he WINS the nomination, will we hear from YOU to admit you were wrong?
Dad2three
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Yeah, it was me, asshole. Now can we get back to the topic? Start a thread on Reagan if you're unable to transition back to the topic.Start another thread and we'll discuss it. In the meantime, address the topic or leave the thread.Tell ya what, dickwad, start a new thread on Reagan and I'll ***** slap you over there. In the meantime, address the topic of this thread or get lost.The historical myth that Reagan raised $1 of taxes in exchange for $3 of spending cuts
It had become an article of faith by conservatives that President Reagan reluctantly agreed to raise taxes in his first term in office — and that Congress then failed to follow through on promised spending cuts.
But when we actually examined the historical record, it turned out this was a fairy tale. There was never any such agreement — though Reagan convinced himself there was, based on a misunderstanding.
In the end, Congress actually held up its end of the bargain pretty well — and the failure to make certain cuts was the fault of the Reagan administration itself. (In particularly, Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger simply refused to comply with the agreement.)
Anyone who utters this claim gets an instant Four Pinocchio's!
The historical myth that Reagan raised $1 of taxes in exchange for $3 of spending cuts
IN CASE, AS USUAL, YOU MISS THE FIRST TWO TIMES BUBBA, lol
IN OTHER WORDS DUMBASS, YOU LIED ABOUT TIP AS YOU PUCKERED UP FOR RONNIE. Got it, lol
WASN'T THIS YOU BUBBA:
POST 79 "S.J. said:
"Whose debt???
Lesson for ‘Fiscal Cliff’ negotiators: The Reagan-O’Neill tax hike"
THEN THIS:
POST 85 S.J. said:
"Thomas P. O'neil was a liar. He made a deal he had no intention of honoring. Fuckwads like you will search for ways to justify his dishonesty and deceit but it's still dishonesty and deceit."
HMM, THE OP SEEMS TO NOT WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING HE'S BEEN PROVEN A LIAR ABOUT? Weird!
The historical myth that Reagan raised $1 of taxes in exchange for $3 of spending cuts
The historical myth that Reagan raised $1 of taxes in exchange for $3 of spending cuts
YOUR INABILITY TO MAN UP AND BE HONEST ON RONNIE'S DEBT IS NOTED BUBBA
Toro
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NYcarbineer
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Trump is his own special interest.
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**** you, learn history, then start your own thread.Yeah, it was me, asshole. Now can we get back to the topic? Start a thread on Reagan if you're unable to transition back to the topic.Start another thread and we'll discuss it. In the meantime, address the topic or leave the thread.
WASN'T THIS YOU BUBBA:
POST 79 "S.J. said:
"Whose debt???
Lesson for ‘Fiscal Cliff’ negotiators: The Reagan-O’Neill tax hike"
THEN THIS:
POST 85 S.J. said:
"Thomas P. O'neil was a liar. He made a deal he had no intention of honoring. Fuckwads like you will search for ways to justify his dishonesty and deceit but it's still dishonesty and deceit."
HMM, THE OP SEEMS TO NOT WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING HE'S BEEN PROVEN A LIAR ABOUT? Weird!
The historical myth that Reagan raised $1 of taxes in exchange for $3 of spending cuts
The historical myth that Reagan raised $1 of taxes in exchange for $3 of spending cuts
YOUR INABILITY TO MAN UP AND BE HONEST ON RONNIE'S DEBT IS NOTED BUBBA
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