Trump EO allows coal debris to be dumped in streams!

[Rustic]

those stupid ******* hillbilly coal miners deserve shitty water .. it goes hand and hand with the shitty air they breathe and get black lung.

good for Trump, **** the people.

es

Most coal mining is open pit. Shit for brains

yessir, thats why it takes a week to dig the miners out when one caves in ..

shitforbrains.

Do you even know anything about coal mining? No one gets buried in the open pit mine you dumbass ************…

Not surprising that you know only part of the truth.

I live just across the border from Coal country... they are starting to hire again

 

[ABikerSailor]

If you drink untreated mountain stream water you are going to projectile blow out your ass dummy.

That's all you got from my post?

Of course it is.

Science probably makes your head hurt.

Poor stupid rube.

My pinky toe has more science knowledge than you. You outed yourself as an ignorant green snowflake, go ahead drink the mountain stream water when the parasites eat your internal organs you will wish you had listened to me.

Actually, the place where parasites like to live isn't in fresh running stream water, it's in stagnant pools and ponds. And, in Boy Scouts (yes, I was one), we learned that if there is pollution in the water, if you go 100 ft downstream from it, the rocks and plants in the stream will clean it for you. Or, you could just go 20 ft. upstream.

There are LOTS of places in MT and CO that I could show you where the water is perfectly safe to drink.

However...............I refuse to drink pond or lake water without a filter.

The filter was made by coal...

Wrong. Most water filters use either a membrane system, or they use activated charcoal which is made from burning wood, not coal.

 

[Timmy]

I found the reg.

Regulations.gov

 

[Rustic]

those stupid ******* hillbilly coal miners deserve shitty water .. it goes hand and hand with the shitty air they breathe and get black lung.

good for Trump, **** the people.

es

Most coal mining is open pit. Shit for brains

yessir, thats why it takes a week to dig the miners out when one caves in ..

shitforbrains.

Do you even know anything about coal mining? No one gets buried in the open pit mine you dumbass ************…

12 Dead in Blast at West Virginia Coal Mine

The vast majority of coal mining is from open pit mining... they don't have cave-ins. Jack weed

 

[owebo]

If you drink untreated mountain stream water you are going to projectile blow out your ass dummy.

That's all you got from my post?

Of course it is.

Science probably makes your head hurt.

Poor stupid rube.

My pinky toe has more science knowledge than you. You outed yourself as an ignorant green snowflake, go ahead drink the mountain stream water when the parasites eat your internal organs you will wish you had listened to me.

Actually, the place where parasites like to live isn't in fresh running stream water, it's in stagnant pools and ponds. And, in Boy Scouts (yes, I was one), we learned that if there is pollution in the water, if you go 100 ft downstream from it, the rocks and plants in the stream will clean it for you. Or, you could just go 20 ft. upstream.

There are LOTS of places in MT and CO that I could show you where the water is perfectly safe to drink.

However...............I refuse to drink pond or lake water without a filter.

The filter was made by coal...

Wrong. Most water filters use either a membrane system, or they use activated charcoal which is made from burning wood, not coal.

Made by coal too....

 

[Rustic]

The five largest coal-producing states with production in million short tons and share of total U.S. coal production in 2014 were:

• Wyoming: 395.7 (40%)
• West Virginia: 112.2 (11%)
• Kentucky: 77.3 (8%)
• Pennsylvania: 60.9 (6%)
• Illinois: 58.0 (6%)

 

[owebo]

those stupid ******* hillbilly coal miners deserve shitty water .. it goes hand and hand with the shitty air they breathe and get black lung.

good for Trump, **** the people.

es

Most coal mining is open pit. Shit for brains

yessir, thats why it takes a week to dig the miners out when one caves in ..

shitforbrains.

Do you even know anything about coal mining? No one gets buried in the open pit mine you dumbass ************…

Not surprising that you know only part of the truth.

I live just across the border from Coal country... they are starting to hire again

We are positioning for new coal power plant engineering jobs....there hasn't been a new coal plant since the 70's......

 

[Rustic]

They are all open pit mines in Wyoming, no one suffers from cave-ins or black lung...

 

[TomParks]

U.S. Coal Mines Are Opening in a Year of 'Cautious Optimism'

Earlier this month, Ramaco held the industry’s first initial public offering in two years. On top of the three mines it’s planning to open this year, the miner’s working to get a mine in Pennsylvania permitted so it can start operations in 2019.

“We will be a very big shot in the arm down into an area that certainly needs some help and good news,” Ramaco Chairman Randall Atkins said in a phone interview.

Ramaco LLC, a related entity that wasn’t part of the public offering, is also trying to get permitted to start mining at the Brook thermal coal complex in Wyoming’s Powder River Basin. And in August, Warrior Met Coal LLC, which assumed ownership of bankrupt Walter Energy Inc.’s core assets, re-opened its Mine No. 4 in Alabama.



AK Coal Resources, a unit of AK Steel Holding Corp., already has mining permits in place in Pennsylvania and may increase production there this year, Chief Operating Officer Kirk Reich said in a January call with analysts.

Dethlefsen said starting operations at Corsa’s new Acosta Deep mine in Pennsylvania will help the company fulfill it’s goal of selling as much as 1.3 million tons of metallurgical coal in 2017, twice as much as it did last year.

“If prices just froze where they’re at today, most mines in our area and southern West Virginia are doing very good," Dethlefsen said. “New projects are getting started on that basis."

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

well thank god for that ! Why have job killing regs when you can have fish and clean water killing regs .



Trump signs bill undoing Obama coal mining rule

d legislation ending a key Obama administration coal mining rule.

The bill quashes the Office of Surface Mining's Stream Protection Rule, a regulation to protect waterways from coal mining waste that officials finalized in December.

legislation ending a key Obama administration coal mining rule.

That's awful!!!!

Such an important rule that was keeping our water clean, all these years, and Trump just comes in and gets rid of it.

The bill quashes the Office of Surface Mining's Stream Protection Rule, a regulation to protect waterways from coal mining waste that officials finalized in December.

Obama was President for 8 years and he didn't save the fish and clean water until the month before he left?

What a ******* tool!

 

[EvilCat Breath]

This is one of the regulations passed by obastard just before he left office. The entire purpose of this regulation was to impose costs on business.

 

[Nosmo King]

It pollutes it! It raises the acidity, contaminates it with chemicals and silts up the streams killing them.

Ask the good people of Charlestown, West Virginia what happens when the surface water gets fouled by coal and chemical discharges. It happened a year ago January and contaminated the drinking water for some 700,000 people downstream.

You libs just spilled 260 million gallons of poop and urine from 1.7 million people into Puget Sound, its so bad the beaches are closed.

I read the link. You claim Liberals caused the spill. But, according to the story, a power outage and a catastrophic flood caused the discharges, not Liberals.

Here's the difference. Power outages and floods are not politically mandated or sourced. Coal discharge is. It's a direct result of policy.

Your partisan blinders are fouling your outlook, and too easily dismissed by the evidence you yourself provided.

Lib please liberals run Seattle. Which liberal run city that spills raw sewage into public waterways do you want to discuss next, how about Portland, OR?

You libs you run your big mouths about some coal company when your liberal run inner cities are the biggest polluters in the country. The hypocrisy is off the scale.

How is it Liberals are responsible for floods and power outages? We've never discussed it at any of the Liberal Conspiracy meetings I've attended!

Your stupid politics has scrambled what is remaining of your mind.

On the other hand, when Conservative WRITE POLICIES THAT POLLUTE you dismiss it with a clumsy deflection. Moron!

You libs chose to spend billions on Europe wanna be light rail instead of fixing your 100 year old broken sewer system thus allowing raw human shit and urine to spill into public waterways.

That sewer system fell victim to a POWER OUTAGE no disrepair. Read your own link!

 

[Doc1]

I found the reg.

Regulations.gov

Timmy

Well done. Here is the applicably paragraph, it makes it clear that everything done must comply with the Clean Water Act. This is why one must read the Bill and not just take an article's word for something.

"
Section 816.42 of the final rule is the primary regulation that sets forth the duty under SMCRA for coal mining operations to comply with the Clean Water Act. This regulation is tailored to accomplish this objective while avoiding conflicts between SMCRA regulatory authorities and Clean Water Act authorities about what constitutes a Clean Water Act violation. In particular, final § 816.42(a) clarifies that neither this section of the final rule, nor any action taken pursuant to it, supersedes or modifies the authority or jurisdiction of federal, state, or tribal agencies responsible for administration, implementation, and enforcement of the Clean Water Act including decisions that those agencies make pursuant to the authority of the Clean Water Act. This includes decisions on whether a particular set of facts constitutes a violation of the Clean Water Act.

With regard to enforcement under SMCRA, final rule § 816.42(b)(1) retains our longstanding regulatory requirement that coal mining operations must comply with all applicable water quality laws and regulations, including the effluent limitations set by Clean Water Act authorities in NPDES permits under section 402 of the Clean Water Act. (35) Since our final rulemaking in 1982 was promulgated to be consistent with effluent limits established by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, our regulations have required that discharges from coal mining operations be in accordance with a valid NDPES permit and that this is a performance standard directly enforceable under SMCRA. (36) This approach has been upheld by the Interior Board of Land Appeals and has been expressly incorporated by several regulatory authorities. (37) Direct enforcement of the NPDES effluent limitations typically begins with an inspector for the SMCRA regulatory authority conducting a routine inspection. (38) During these inspections, water samples are taken from sediment pond discharges to verify compliance with the SMCRA permits, which incorporates the NDPES effluent limitations by reference. When violations of those standards are found, a SMCRA notice of violation is issued requiring the violation to be corrected.

With the final rule, we are changing this process slightly. In response to Federal agency comments, we have revised final § 816.42(b)(1) to require the SMCRA regulatory authority to add an additional step to the end of the process: Notification of the appropriate Clean Water Act authority of any notice of violation issued under SMCRA for a violation of an effluent limit. We also added a provision requiring the SMCRA regulatory authority to coordinate with the Clean Water Act authority whenever necessary to determine if a violation exists. This provision is intended to address those situations where there may be some uncertainty as to whether in fact a violation exists. In addition to ensuring that there is no ambiguity about the requirement for a permittee to comply with NPDES effluent limits under SMCRA, we have added paragraph (i) to final rule § 773.17, which requires the regulatory authority to condition every permit on compliance with all effluent limitations and conditions in any NDPES permit issued by the Clean Water Act authority."

 

[TomParks]

Rumor has it the unions are terrified of Trump.....you can either jump on the Trump train or get run the hell over

 

[Nosmo King]

You libs just spilled 260 million gallons of poop and urine from 1.7 million people into Puget Sound, its so bad the beaches are closed.

I read the link. You claim Liberals caused the spill. But, according to the story, a power outage and a catastrophic flood caused the discharges, not Liberals.

Here's the difference. Power outages and floods are not politically mandated or sourced. Coal discharge is. It's a direct result of policy.

Your partisan blinders are fouling your outlook, and too easily dismissed by the evidence you yourself provided.

Lib please liberals run Seattle. Which liberal run city that spills raw sewage into public waterways do you want to discuss next, how about Portland, OR?

You libs you run your big mouths about some coal company when your liberal run inner cities are the biggest polluters in the country. The hypocrisy is off the scale.

How is it Liberals are responsible for floods and power outages? We've never discussed it at any of the Liberal Conspiracy meetings I've attended!

Your stupid politics has scrambled what is remaining of your mind.

On the other hand, when Conservative WRITE POLICIES THAT POLLUTE you dismiss it with a clumsy deflection. Moron!

Pollute what child?

I gave this snowflake actual examples of liberals polluting, he's yet to produce one. Supposedly Trump's policies might pollute something some day, vs liberals are already polluting, millions of gallons of it.

POWER OUTAGE AND FLOODING! Not policy like this one from Trump.

 

[owebo]

I read the link. You claim Liberals caused the spill. But, according to the story, a power outage and a catastrophic flood caused the discharges, not Liberals.

Here's the difference. Power outages and floods are not politically mandated or sourced. Coal discharge is. It's a direct result of policy.

Your partisan blinders are fouling your outlook, and too easily dismissed by the evidence you yourself provided.

Lib please liberals run Seattle. Which liberal run city that spills raw sewage into public waterways do you want to discuss next, how about Portland, OR?

You libs you run your big mouths about some coal company when your liberal run inner cities are the biggest polluters in the country. The hypocrisy is off the scale.

How is it Liberals are responsible for floods and power outages? We've never discussed it at any of the Liberal Conspiracy meetings I've attended!

Your stupid politics has scrambled what is remaining of your mind.

On the other hand, when Conservative WRITE POLICIES THAT POLLUTE you dismiss it with a clumsy deflection. Moron!

Pollute what child?

I gave this snowflake actual examples of liberals polluting, he's yet to produce one. Supposedly Trump's policies might pollute something some day, vs liberals are already polluting, millions of gallons of it.

POWER OUTAGE AND FLOODING! Not policy like this one from Trump.

Sorry child, CSO's are policy...

 

[Timmy]

This is one of the regulations passed by obastard just before he left office. The entire purpose of this regulation was to impose costs on business.

Please . Why would he do that ?

The GOP constantly protects Big coal . That why it's hard trying to control their pollution.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

If you drink untreated mountain stream water you are going to projectile blow out your ass dummy.

That's all you got from my post?

Of course it is.

Science probably makes your head hurt.

Poor stupid rube.

My pinky toe has more science knowledge than you. You outed yourself as an ignorant green snowflake, go ahead drink the mountain stream water when the parasites eat your internal organs you will wish you had listened to me.

Actually, the place where parasites like to live isn't in fresh running stream water, it's in stagnant pools and ponds. And, in Boy Scouts (yes, I was one), we learned that if there is pollution in the water, if you go 100 ft downstream from it, the rocks and plants in the stream will clean it for you. Or, you could just go 20 ft. upstream.

There are LOTS of places in MT and CO that I could show you where the water is perfectly safe to drink.

However...............I refuse to drink pond or lake water without a filter.

The filter was made by coal...

Wrong. Most water filters use either a membrane system, or they use activated charcoal which is made from burning wood, not coal.

We have been through this before in another thread. One of the most common sources for charcoal is coal.

 

[BluesLegend]

I read the link. You claim Liberals caused the spill. But, according to the story, a power outage and a catastrophic flood caused the discharges, not Liberals.

Here's the difference. Power outages and floods are not politically mandated or sourced. Coal discharge is. It's a direct result of policy.

Your partisan blinders are fouling your outlook, and too easily dismissed by the evidence you yourself provided.

Lib please liberals run Seattle. Which liberal run city that spills raw sewage into public waterways do you want to discuss next, how about Portland, OR?

You libs you run your big mouths about some coal company when your liberal run inner cities are the biggest polluters in the country. The hypocrisy is off the scale.

How is it Liberals are responsible for floods and power outages? We've never discussed it at any of the Liberal Conspiracy meetings I've attended!

Your stupid politics has scrambled what is remaining of your mind.

On the other hand, when Conservative WRITE POLICIES THAT POLLUTE you dismiss it with a clumsy deflection. Moron!

Pollute what child?

I gave this snowflake actual examples of liberals polluting, he's yet to produce one. Supposedly Trump's policies might pollute something some day, vs liberals are already polluting, millions of gallons of it.

POWER OUTAGE AND FLOODING! Not policy like this one from Trump.

I live here fool, trust me it was the stupid liberals fault.

 

[bodecea]

well thank god for that ! Why have job killing regs when you can have fish and clean water killing regs .



Trump signs bill undoing Obama coal mining rule

d legislation ending a key Obama administration coal mining rule.

The bill quashes the Office of Surface Mining's Stream Protection Rule, a regulation to protect waterways from coal mining waste that officials finalized in December.

No problem with that...coal mining in red states....no problem at all.