Trump Doubles Down on Calling Miss Universe "Miss Piggy"

[Syriusly]

A big reason why Trump has been rising in the polls is because he hasn't said anything really stupid lately.

That's been a pattern with Trump since the primaries - when he doesn't say anything stupid, he rises in the polls.

But then he says something idiotic and everyone remembers why they don't want him in the first place, and his poll numbers start dropping.

He did so again on Fox & Friends this morning.

Donald Trump doubled down on criticism of a former Miss Universe he allegedly called ‘Miss Piggy’ on Tuesday morning, saying Venezuelan beauty queen Alicia Machado was “the absolute worst” contestant they had ever had.

“I know that person, she was a Miss Universe person and she was the worst we ever had — the worst, the absolute worst,” the Republican presidential hopeful said on a call in to the Fox & Friends studio. “She was the winner and she gained a massive amount of weight, and it was a real problem,” he added. ...

Trump, who was a partner in the company who owned the pageant at the time, also reportedly called Machado an “eating machine” and she claims he invited reporters to watch her exercise at a New York gym.​

The Former Beauty Queen Who Says Trump Called Her 'Miss Piggy'

Trump is saying what his followers want to hear.

They are tired of the politically correct world where it is not allowed to insult a woman for her looks.

 

[cereal_killer]

Miss Universe can't be fat and wear the crown, just as Odell Beckham can't run a 12 second 40 and expect to be the starter (that's a football/wide receiver analogy) These are obvious facts.

Uh --- not really. The latter is quantifiable, the former is a value judgment. Your analogy is apples and oranges. Left-brain vs. Right brain.
"Orange" pun not intended but inevitable.


Value judgments are subject to what the rest of the human race calls "discretion". Which is a part of "temperament".

Uh---what? Gaining a shit ton of weight is gaining a shit ton of weight. It's quantifiable via simple observation. If I pack on 20+ pounds of blubber you don't need to put me on a scale to say I gained a massive amount of weight.

"Gaining a shit ton of weight"....how many pounds was that?

Enough for people to notice "Damn she got fat!"

 

[Syriusly]

A big reason why Trump has been rising in the polls is because he hasn't said anything really stupid lately.

That's been a pattern with Trump since the primaries - when he doesn't say anything stupid, he rises in the polls.

But then he says something idiotic and everyone remembers why they don't want him in the first place, and his poll numbers start dropping.

He did so again on Fox & Friends this morning.

Donald Trump doubled down on criticism of a former Miss Universe he allegedly called ‘Miss Piggy’ on Tuesday morning, saying Venezuelan beauty queen Alicia Machado was “the absolute worst” contestant they had ever had.

“I know that person, she was a Miss Universe person and she was the worst we ever had — the worst, the absolute worst,” the Republican presidential hopeful said on a call in to the Fox & Friends studio. “She was the winner and she gained a massive amount of weight, and it was a real problem,” he added. ...

Trump, who was a partner in the company who owned the pageant at the time, also reportedly called Machado an “eating machine” and she claims he invited reporters to watch her exercise at a New York gym.​

The Former Beauty Queen Who Says Trump Called Her 'Miss Piggy'

This is a counter-point from Ace, (no real Trump lover himself)

Note: 1996's Miss Universe Winner Really Did Gain So Much Weight In Her Year of Reigning That Even <i>CNN</i> Had to Fat-Shame Her Ass

No one has to fat shame anyone.

People choose to fat shame women.

 

[Pogo]

Uh --- not really. The latter is quantifiable, the former is a value judgment. Your analogy is apples and oranges. Left-brain vs. Right brain.
"Orange" pun not intended but inevitable.


Value judgments are subject to what the rest of the human race calls "discretion". Which is a part of "temperament".

Uh---what? Gaining a shit ton of weight is gaining a shit ton of weight. It's quantifiable via simple observation. If I pack on 20+ pounds of blubber you don't need to put me on a scale to say I gained a massive amount of weight.

The number is quantifiable, sure. But the value judgment --- to wt in this case "Miss Piggy" --- is not.

Again... left brain versus right brain, i.e. dry facts versus emotion.
Rump, you'll have to agree, runs entirely on the latter.

Again, to wit:

• "They're rapists"....
• I like people who weren't captured...."
• "They're laughing at us".....
• "Make America great again"....
• "Blood coming out of her ... Wherever"....
• "Little Marco".... "Ted's wife".... all that....

Well, you know --- too numerous to mention.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/15394113/

Not sure what that's supposed to link to --- I've learned to not trust USMB's permalinks. When I click it goes to post 23.

But scroll down to the next post (24) to see exactly what this is all about.

Meanwhile, back at the topic ranch:

>> The would-be commander in chief — whose own health records would indicate he is overweight — has long made clear his preferences in body types. He has repeatedly referred to former co-host of “The View” Rosie O’Donnell as a “big fat pig,” and during Monday night’s debate he affirmed, “I said tough things to her and I think everybody would agree that she deserves it and nobody feels sorry for her.”

Last year he despaired that supermodel Heidi Klum is “sadly, no longer a 10.” He doesn’t limit his disgust to just women, either — in 2015, after he had a man kicked out of a rally in Massachusetts, he told the crowd, “You know, it’s amazing. I mention food stamps and that guy who’s seriously overweight went crazy.” And Monday night, he envisioned a potential hacker as “somebody sitting on their bed who weighs 400 pounds, OK?”

In contrast, he’s famously supportive of those who conform to his ideal body mass index, saying several years ago of his child, “She does have a very nice figure. I’ve said if Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her.” << --- Salon
​

It occurs to me, just to play devil's advocate (in other words in Rump's sort-of defense) that even this Machado affair is not necessarily indicative of misogyny per se, at least not directly. It could be that, being an owner of the meat market, Rump is simply so callous and heartless that he saw Machado not as a human but as an investment, an investment to which he saw a threat by the weight gain (which of course, like the meat market itself, depends on objectifying women in the first place). Therefore with a threat to his profit, and seeing no humanity in the "investment", he denigrates the investment on the same dehumanized scale he would denigrate, say, a flood that washed one of his golf courses away.

As I noted elsewhere --- Rump has no heart. He doesn't need one.... he simply has blood coming out of his Wherever.

Since you can't seem to read the perma-linked post I'll quote what it says

You're assuming he called her that. It's alleged and there's no proof.

^^^^^^^ I said that

You and Valerie need to follow along

OK but ---- what's your point?

Post 24 illustrates mine.

 

[bodecea]

Miss Universe can't be fat and wear the crown, just as Odell Beckham can't run a 12 second 40 and expect to be the starter (that's a football/wide receiver analogy) These are obvious facts.

Uh --- not really. The latter is quantifiable, the former is a value judgment. Your analogy is apples and oranges. Left-brain vs. Right brain.
"Orange" pun not intended but inevitable.


Value judgments are subject to what the rest of the human race calls "discretion". Which is a part of "temperament".

Uh---what? Gaining a shit ton of weight is gaining a shit ton of weight. It's quantifiable via simple observation. If I pack on 20+ pounds of blubber you don't need to put me on a scale to say I gained a massive amount of weight.

"Gaining a shit ton of weight"....how many pounds was that?

Enough for people to notice "Damn she got fat!"

How much was that? Some people think anyone North of an anorexic is fat.

 

[Lewdog]

So is Trump going to go into a deal with Japan and when they ask him a question about a trade deal he says, "What? Can't you read it or does your eyes not open far enough?"

Seriously, how a person handles their self professionally matters. I'm really afraid of what Trump might say to people of other countries. It makes me wonder if we'll end up at war, or if they will laugh at him like this:

 

[Toro]

Miss Universe can't be fat and wear the crown, just as Odell Beckham can't run a 12 second 40 and expect to be the starter (that's a football/wide receiver analogy) These are obvious facts.

Stating the obvious is somehow 'wrong'?

The woman got fat, she represents Miss Universe, it becomes a problem. If she became a raging alcoholic and made erratic appearances should she not be criticized? Don't want to upset anyone because she's a woman? Nonsense. Some things just are.

C'mon. You're smarter than this.

It's how Trump handled the situation. It's not that she put on weight. It's that he belittled, demeaned and degraded her.

Just like he does to so many others.

Which is why two-thirds of Americans think he doesn't have the temperament to be President.

He allegedly called her those names. There's no proof of it. My comments weren't addressing his alleged comments they were addressing what he said this morning.

This morning, he said she was awful, that she was the worst, the absolute worst.

This shows an utter lack of class and a need to demean and insult people.

 

[cereal_killer]

Uh---what? Gaining a shit ton of weight is gaining a shit ton of weight. It's quantifiable via simple observation. If I pack on 20+ pounds of blubber you don't need to put me on a scale to say I gained a massive amount of weight.

The number is quantifiable, sure. But the value judgment --- to wt in this case "Miss Piggy" --- is not.

Again... left brain versus right brain, i.e. dry facts versus emotion.
Rump, you'll have to agree, runs entirely on the latter.

Again, to wit:

• "They're rapists"....
• I like people who weren't captured...."
• "They're laughing at us".....
• "Make America great again"....
• "Blood coming out of her ... Wherever"....
• "Little Marco".... "Ted's wife".... all that....

Well, you know --- too numerous to mention.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/15394113/

Not sure what that's supposed to link to --- I've learned to not trust USMB's permalinks. When I click it goes to post 23.

But scroll down to the next post (24) to see exactly what this is all about.

Meanwhile, back at the topic ranch:

>> The would-be commander in chief — whose own health records would indicate he is overweight — has long made clear his preferences in body types. He has repeatedly referred to former co-host of “The View” Rosie O’Donnell as a “big fat pig,” and during Monday night’s debate he affirmed, “I said tough things to her and I think everybody would agree that she deserves it and nobody feels sorry for her.”

Last year he despaired that supermodel Heidi Klum is “sadly, no longer a 10.” He doesn’t limit his disgust to just women, either — in 2015, after he had a man kicked out of a rally in Massachusetts, he told the crowd, “You know, it’s amazing. I mention food stamps and that guy who’s seriously overweight went crazy.” And Monday night, he envisioned a potential hacker as “somebody sitting on their bed who weighs 400 pounds, OK?”

In contrast, he’s famously supportive of those who conform to his ideal body mass index, saying several years ago of his child, “She does have a very nice figure. I’ve said if Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her.” << --- Salon
​

It occurs to me, just to play devil's advocate (in other words in Rump's sort-of defense) that even this Machado affair is not necessarily indicative of misogyny per se, at least not directly. It could be that, being an owner of the meat market, Rump is simply so callous and heartless that he saw Machado not as a human but as an investment, an investment to which he saw a threat by the weight gain (which of course, like the meat market itself, depends on objectifying women in the first place). Therefore with a threat to his profit, and seeing no humanity in the "investment", he denigrates the investment on the same dehumanized scale he would denigrate, say, a flood that washed one of his golf courses away.

As I noted elsewhere --- Rump has no heart. He doesn't need one.... he simply has blood coming out of his Wherever.

Since you can't seem to read the perma-linked post I'll quote what it says

You're assuming he called her that. It's alleged and there's no proof.

^^^^^^^ I said that

You and Valerie need to follow along

OK but ---- what's your point?

Post 24 illustrates mine.

My point is that a Miss Universe winner must represent the pageant in a positive way and part of that is not getting all bloated and fat. When she won she was around 118 lbs and she ballooned up to 160 or 170. We're not talking Miss Universe Plus here.....the pageant has an image winners must uphold.

 

[Lewdog]

The number is quantifiable, sure. But the value judgment --- to wt in this case "Miss Piggy" --- is not.

Again... left brain versus right brain, i.e. dry facts versus emotion.
Rump, you'll have to agree, runs entirely on the latter.

Again, to wit:

• "They're rapists"....
• I like people who weren't captured...."
• "They're laughing at us".....
• "Make America great again"....
• "Blood coming out of her ... Wherever"....
• "Little Marco".... "Ted's wife".... all that....

Well, you know --- too numerous to mention.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/15394113/

Not sure what that's supposed to link to --- I've learned to not trust USMB's permalinks. When I click it goes to post 23.

But scroll down to the next post (24) to see exactly what this is all about.

Meanwhile, back at the topic ranch:

>> The would-be commander in chief — whose own health records would indicate he is overweight — has long made clear his preferences in body types. He has repeatedly referred to former co-host of “The View” Rosie O’Donnell as a “big fat pig,” and during Monday night’s debate he affirmed, “I said tough things to her and I think everybody would agree that she deserves it and nobody feels sorry for her.”

Last year he despaired that supermodel Heidi Klum is “sadly, no longer a 10.” He doesn’t limit his disgust to just women, either — in 2015, after he had a man kicked out of a rally in Massachusetts, he told the crowd, “You know, it’s amazing. I mention food stamps and that guy who’s seriously overweight went crazy.” And Monday night, he envisioned a potential hacker as “somebody sitting on their bed who weighs 400 pounds, OK?”

In contrast, he’s famously supportive of those who conform to his ideal body mass index, saying several years ago of his child, “She does have a very nice figure. I’ve said if Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her.” << --- Salon
​

It occurs to me, just to play devil's advocate (in other words in Rump's sort-of defense) that even this Machado affair is not necessarily indicative of misogyny per se, at least not directly. It could be that, being an owner of the meat market, Rump is simply so callous and heartless that he saw Machado not as a human but as an investment, an investment to which he saw a threat by the weight gain (which of course, like the meat market itself, depends on objectifying women in the first place). Therefore with a threat to his profit, and seeing no humanity in the "investment", he denigrates the investment on the same dehumanized scale he would denigrate, say, a flood that washed one of his golf courses away.

As I noted elsewhere --- Rump has no heart. He doesn't need one.... he simply has blood coming out of his Wherever.

Since you can't seem to read the perma-linked post I'll quote what it says

You're assuming he called her that. It's alleged and there's no proof.

^^^^^^^ I said that

You and Valerie need to follow along

OK but ---- what's your point?

Post 24 illustrates mine.

My point is that a Miss Universe winner must represent the pageant in a positive way and part of that is not getting all bloated and fat. When she won she was around 118 lbs and she ballooned up to 160 or 170. We're not talking Miss Universe Plus here.....the pageant has an image winners must uphold.

...And Trump handled it the wrong way. If Trump can't handle a simple thing like a pageant winner gaining some weight in a professional manner, how can we trust something as important as a Nuclear Arms deal or something like that in him?

 

[cereal_killer]

Miss Universe can't be fat and wear the crown, just as Odell Beckham can't run a 12 second 40 and expect to be the starter (that's a football/wide receiver analogy) These are obvious facts.

Stating the obvious is somehow 'wrong'?

The woman got fat, she represents Miss Universe, it becomes a problem. If she became a raging alcoholic and made erratic appearances should she not be criticized? Don't want to upset anyone because she's a woman? Nonsense. Some things just are.

C'mon. You're smarter than this.

It's how Trump handled the situation. It's not that she put on weight. It's that he belittled, demeaned and degraded her.

Just like he does to so many others.

Which is why two-thirds of Americans think he doesn't have the temperament to be President.

He allegedly called her those names. There's no proof of it. My comments weren't addressing his alleged comments they were addressing what he said this morning.

This morning, he said she was awful, that she was the worst, the absolute worst.

This shows an utter lack of class and a need to demean and insult people.

allegedly she was a giant pain in the ass. Is there something wrong with addressing that in an honest manner? You can't be that sensitive?

 

[rightwinger]

Miss Universe can't be fat and wear the crown, just as Odell Beckham can't run a 12 second 40 and expect to be the starter (that's a football/wide receiver analogy) These are obvious facts.

Stating the obvious is somehow 'wrong'?

The woman got fat, she represents Miss Universe, it becomes a problem. If she became a raging alcoholic and made erratic appearances should she not be criticized? Don't want to upset anyone because she's a woman? Nonsense. Some things just are.

C'mon. You're smarter than this.

It's how Trump handled the situation. It's not that she put on weight. It's that he belittled, demeaned and degraded her.

Just like he does to so many others.

Which is why two-thirds of Americans think he doesn't have the temperament to be President.

He allegedly called her those names. There's no proof of it. My comments weren't addressing his alleged comments they were addressing what he said this morning.

This morning, he said she was awful, that she was the worst, the absolute worst.

This shows an utter lack of class and a need to demean and insult people.

allegedly she was a giant pain in the ass. Is there something wrong with addressing that in an honest manner? You can't be that sensitive?

According to Trump

He always trashes those who speak against him

 

[Pogo]

Miss Universe can't be fat and wear the crown, just as Odell Beckham can't run a 12 second 40 and expect to be the starter (that's a football/wide receiver analogy) These are obvious facts.

Stating the obvious is somehow 'wrong'?

The woman got fat, she represents Miss Universe, it becomes a problem. If she became a raging alcoholic and made erratic appearances should she not be criticized? Don't want to upset anyone because she's a woman? Nonsense. Some things just are.

C'mon. You're smarter than this.

It's how Trump handled the situation. It's not that she put on weight. It's that he belittled, demeaned and degraded her.

Just like he does to so many others.

Which is why two-thirds of Americans think he doesn't have the temperament to be President.

He allegedly called her those names. There's no proof of it. My comments weren't addressing his alleged comments they were addressing what he said this morning.

This morning, he said she was awful, that she was the worst, the absolute worst.

This shows an utter lack of class and a need to demean and insult people.

allegedly she was a giant pain in the ass. Is there something wrong with addressing that in an honest manner? You can't be that sensitive?

Is there something wrong with addressing Rump's being a giant pain in the ass in an honest manner?

 

[Iceweasel]

Sounds better than the comments the smug superior acting ahole in chief we now have says. Or calling 10s of millions of people deplorable. What we have here is selective outrage.

yawn.

 

[Ravi]

She gained 12 pounds. Trump is 60 lbs overweight.

 

[conserveguy877]

It's funny how the desperation of Hillary shows when she tries to divert the facts of her failures the last 30 years by distracting about Miss Universe pageants... Just wait till the second debate!

 

[rightwinger]

It's funny how the desperation of Hillary shows when she tries to divert the facts of her failures the last 30 years by distracting about Miss Universe pageants... Just wait till the second debate!

I can't wait

That will be the one Trump heckles her because her husband cheated on her. It will go over well with the public

 

[Toro]

He allegedly called her those names. There's no proof of it.

allegedly she was a giant pain in the ass. Is there something wrong with addressing that in an honest manner? You can't be that sensitive?

I'll let you figure out the logical contradiction in your argument.

 

[Ravi]

Ms. universe could fit in Donald's gut.

 

[g5000]

The racist Trump also called the woman "Miss Housekeeping" because she was Hispanic.

 

[RodISHI]

Miss Universe can't be fat and wear the crown, just as Odell Beckham can't run a 12 second 40 and expect to be the starter (that's a football/wide receiver analogy) These are obvious facts.

Stating the obvious is somehow 'wrong'?

The woman got fat, she represents Miss Universe, it becomes a problem. If she became a raging alcoholic and made erratic appearances should she not be criticized? Don't want to upset anyone because she's a woman? Nonsense. Some things just are.

yet one can be an administrator of a political forum while being a total political retard. weird.

here's an idea, the weight rules could have been communicated to miss universe in a professional manner.

How do you know that she was mot warned and she ignore it?

A lot of people sure do a lot of pretending to know every aspect of a conversation or situation without really knowing jack shit.