Trump: Coca-cola agrees to use real cane sugar in US drinks

[sealybobo]

If only food dyes were the worst of it. They're not even close. Food processing removes both nutrients and flavour from the food, which they cover by using fat and sugar to make the foods tastier and more satisfying. North Americans are now eating 1/3 of their meals outside of the house, and often using "convenience" foods - preprepared, and packaged, just heat and eat.

I read something a few years ago that was like a slap upside the head: Our hunter gatherer bodies were never designed to process chemicals and preservatives. When our food is laced with chemicals that the body can't process, they store the food as fat.

When I was living with my "all organic all of the time" daughter, I was eating second helpings of everything and losing weight doing it - because my body could process everything I was eating. I generally do almost all of my own cooking from scratch and from fresh, as well - cheaper, tastier, and more convenient.





Your assessment that retailers should only increase prices by .7% is ridiculous. Importers who are paying a 30% tariff on their goods cannot afford to charge you less than what they're paying out of pocket, which is WAY more than .7%. The only reason the impact on inflation has been so low to this point is because the vendors have tried to avoid passing true cost on to consumers and have been eating the cost themselves.

Importers cannot continue to do this. Bankkruptcies are at record levels again, as a result of the tariffs, so nobody is going to be able to afford to eat the tariffs any longer.

The Hunter Laptop story was killed because it was FAKE NEWS, and even the New York Post reporter who wrote the story, refused to put his name on it because he didn't believe it. Every scrap of evidence since then, including the testimony of the guy who owned the repair shop, said the stuff being promoted as being from "hunter's laptop" wasn't on the hard drive when he received the laptop.

In fact, there were no photos or videos on the laptop when it arrived at his shop. But files were added to the hard drive AFTER it was in his shop:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/12/now-warning-about-hunter-biden-laptop-disinfo-guy-who-leaked-it/

Companies also stockpiled before prices went up but they all say they are running out of that inventory and they have to order new product. Prices are going up.

On another note, I wanted to add this

In 1980 Americans consumed 90 pounds of sugar and 15% of us were obese. In 2010 we upped our consumption to 120 pounds of sugar a year and obesity went up to 36%. The sugar industry has put a lot of money into a lot of politicians pockets to make that happen.

All the chronic metabolic diseases are caused by sugar

Type 2 Diabeties, Fatty liver disease, hypertention, chardiovascular, hypertension, lipid, cancer, dementia..

Yet RFK Jr does not go after sugar. I bet he says sugar is good.

 

[sealybobo]

If only food dyes were the worst of it. They're not even close. Food processing removes both nutrients and flavour from the food, which they cover by using fat and sugar to make the foods tastier and more satisfying. North Americans are now eating 1/3 of their meals outside of the house, and often using "convenience" foods - preprepared, and packaged, just heat and eat.

I read something a few years ago that was like a slap upside the head: Our hunter gatherer bodies were never designed to process chemicals and preservatives. When our food is laced with chemicals that the body can't process, they store the food as fat.

When I was living with my "all organic all of the time" daughter, I was eating second helpings of everything and losing weight doing it - because my body could process everything I was eating. I generally do almost all of my own cooking from scratch and from fresh, as well - cheaper, tastier, and more convenient.





Your assessment that retailers should only increase prices by .7% is ridiculous. Importers who are paying a 30% tariff on their goods cannot afford to charge you less than what they're paying out of pocket, which is WAY more than .7%. The only reason the impact on inflation has been so low to this point is because the vendors have tried to avoid passing true cost on to consumers and have been eating the cost themselves.

Importers cannot continue to do this. Bankkruptcies are at record levels again, as a result of the tariffs, so nobody is going to be able to afford to eat the tariffs any longer.

The Hunter Laptop story was killed because it was FAKE NEWS, and even the New York Post reporter who wrote the story, refused to put his name on it because he didn't believe it. Every scrap of evidence since then, including the testimony of the guy who owned the repair shop, said the stuff being promoted as being from "hunter's laptop" wasn't on the hard drive when he received the laptop.

In fact, there were no photos or videos on the laptop when it arrived at his shop. But files were added to the hard drive AFTER it was in his shop:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/12/now-warning-about-hunter-biden-laptop-disinfo-guy-who-leaked-it/

OMG suddenly I'm a RFK Jr fan. I love AI.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. (RFK Jr.) views added sugar as "poison," linking it to obesity, diabetes, and chronic diseases, advocating for strict labeling, removing harmful dyes, and reducing ultra-processed foods, especially for children, aiming for Americans to consume "zero" added sugar and promoting healthier options like water. He calls sugar a major driver of the nation's health crisis, pushing for reforms to make the food industry transparent about ingredients like high-fructose corn syrup.

 

[Papageorgio]

Fake news.

To you maybe to the rest of the world it is real, I am sorry you are upset that our economy is rolling along.

 

[braalian]

Do we really need government to tell us how to eat?

Go to Walmart and look at the people then try and tell me certain people don’t need to be told how to eat….

 

[22lcidw]

Major soda brands have increased in price a little too much over the last few years or so. Flavored Seltzer water is now at gauging levels.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Time for the military to blow up any boats suspected to be transporting sugar into the United States.

Healthcare Industry would arm the boats with the latest defense systems

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Companies also stockpiled before prices went up but they all say they are running out of that inventory and they have to order new product. Prices are going up.

On another note, I wanted to add this

In 1980 Americans consumed 90 pounds of sugar and 15% of us were obese. In 2010 we upped our consumption to 120 pounds of sugar a year and obesity went up to 36%. The sugar industry has put a lot of money into a lot of politicians pockets to make that happen.

All the chronic metabolic diseases are caused by sugar

Type 2 Diabeties, Fatty liver disease, hypertention, chardiovascular, hypertension, lipid, cancer, dementia..

Yet RFK Jr does not go after sugar. I bet he says sugar is good.

I had Type 2 diabetes and at first took the doctor prescribed route: Metformin and eventually Trulicity injections, An endocrinologist told me to eat more spinach and I don’t recall being told about carbs and sugar.

Years later, thanks to a family intervention I went on a “radical” diet, cut carbs and sugar replace with fruits, vegetables and water

When I was a “health conscious” diabetic I used to drink ginger ale because I assumed it was healthier than colas. In the new diet, I checked the sugar content in “healthier” ginger ale- 67% sugars!

I eventually lost a total of 30 pounds and was off all meds in under 2 months

Check the labels, added sugar is everywhere. My only surprise is that chemtrails aren’t part sugar

 

[dblack]

Go to Walmart and look at the people then try and tell me certain people don’t need to be told how to eat….

Do you?

 

[Seymour Flops]

That's a convenient excuse, for those who want us to see government as the ONLY solution to our problems. But if, as a society, we have the will to feed poor children - we will. We don't need government controlling the process.

It is not an excuse, it is reality.

I would probably agree with most of your economic ideas, so long as you preface all of your statements with "in an ideal world . . . "

I would answer, "Sure, in an ideal world, we would . . . "

Where we disagree is in your belief that the libertarian nation you would like to see the U.S. become will happen in our lifetimes.

 

[dblack]

It is not an excuse, it is reality.

I would probably agree with most of your economic ideas, so long as you preface all of your statements with "in an ideal world . . . "

I would answer, "Sure, in an ideal world, we would . . . "

Where we disagree is in your belief that the libertarian nation you would like to see the U.S. become will happen in our lifetimes.

I don't believe that - at all. I think we're currently moving further and further away from my ideal government.

At this point, my more pragmatic hope for the country is that we can break out of the culture war horseshit and get back to consensus government. Stability alone would be a huge improvement. It won't be libertarian, but we can work around stupid laws. The destructive thrashing of the two-party pissing match - I'm not sure we can recover from that. Depends on how soon we can turn it around.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Companies also stockpiled before prices went up but they all say they are running out of that inventory and they have to order new product. Prices are going up.

On another note, I wanted to add this

In 1980 Americans consumed 90 pounds of sugar and 15% of us were obese. In 2010 we upped our consumption to 120 pounds of sugar a year and obesity went up to 36%. The sugar industry has put a lot of money into a lot of politicians pockets to make that happen.

All the chronic metabolic diseases are caused by sugar

Type 2 Diabeties, Fatty liver disease, hypertention, chardiovascular, hypertension, lipid, cancer, dementia..

Yet RFK Jr does not go after sugar. I bet he says sugar is good.

I have to wonder if people younger than myself really understand how true those numbers are. We see so many statistics offered up to support wildly different claims that a person younger than say forty might have doubts about that one.

It is true from my own observation that people are much fatter now than before. I'm suprised it is only 36%. I would have put it at 60% at least, but maybe that is observation bias.

When I was in high school, Army and College in the seventies and eighties, very fat people were rare. They were noticed. If giving a description, fat would have been the first thing mentioned. Fat kids were often picked on, and then became bullies themselves, their size giving them strength. Then in high school, when their in-shape counterparts went through puberty and gained strength themselves, the fat kids again became the targets.

Sometime after that, being fat became normal. Now, I notice when a woman is not fat. Fat women are popular, or at least no less popular than normal-sized women. There seems to be a significant percent of the male population that actually prefers fat women. Makes sense, because that is what they grew up with.

Sugar has been around for centuries without people being this fat. It's the culture of indulgeance that has made us so fat. The same culture that surrounded Henry the VIII, except now the poorest among us can afford to indulge in sweets, salt, fat, tobacco, alcohol and drugs to excess.

 

[Seymour Flops]

I don't believe that - at all. I think we're currently moving further and further away from my ideal government.

Okay.

Then from now on when you see me write something with which you disagree, just remind yourself that Seymour is aguing for real world solutions. I'll not bother prefacing every sentence with "In this real world . . . " and you needn't use "In an ideal world . . . " but we'll understand each other.

At this point, my more pragmatic hope for the country is that we can break out of the culture war horseshit and get back to consensus government. Stability alone would be a huge improvement. It won't be libertarian, but we can work around stupid laws. The destructive thrashing of the two-party pissing match - I'm not sure can recover from that. Depends on how soon we can turn it around.

I agree that the two party system is holding us back from real improvement in how we improve government. But it will be so until there is a viable third party.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I have to wonder if people younger than myself really understand how true those numbers are. We see so many statistics offered up to support wildly different claims that a person younger than say forty might have doubts about that one.

It is true from my own observation that people are much fatter now than before. I'm suprised it is only 36%. I would have put it at 60% at least, but maybe that is observation bias.

When I was in high school, Army and College in the seventies and eighties, very fat people were rare. They were noticed. If giving a description, fat would have been the first thing mentioned. Fat kids were often picked on, and then became bullies themselves, their size giving them strength. Then in high school, when their in-shape counterparts went through puberty and gained strength themselves, the fat kids again became the targets.

Sometime after that, being fat became normal. Now, I notice when a woman is not fat. Fat women are popular, or at least no less popular than normal-sized women. There seems to be a significant percent of the male population that actually prefers fat women. Makes sense, because that is what they grew up with.

Sugar has been around for centuries without people being this fat. It's the culture of indulgeance that has made us so fat. The same culture that surrounded Henry the VIII, except now the poorest among us can afford to indulge in sweets, salt, fat, tobacco, alcohol and drugs to excess.

It’s microplastics in EVERYTHING

 

[dblack]

Okay.

Then from now on when you see me write something with which you disagree, just remind yourself that Seymour is aguing for real world solutions.

I understand that. I don't like most of your "real-world" solutions either. And as long as you support Trump, I doubt that will change. There's nothing pragmatic or "real-world" about his shitshow.

I agree that the two party system is holding us back from real improvement in how we improve government. But it will be so until there is a viable third party.

There won't be a viable third party without significant changes to the current system, which for all practical purposes, is locked down by the entrenched parties. We'll have to reject them - both of them - first.

 

[Seymour Flops]

I understand that. I don't like most of your "real-world" solutions either. And as long as you support Trump, I doubt that will change. There's nothing pragmatic or "real-world" about his shitshow.

Lots of things I don't like about Trump's policies and actions. But he is putting the country he leads first, and sadly that is a breath of fresh air. At least in the U.S.

Putting the country one leads first is the bare minimum standard anywhere but the U.S. (except maybe U.K.).

Suprising no one but the Trump-deranged, putting America first brings results that are good for America.

The border was secured practically overnight, after four years of the Biden open-border disaster.

Trump is negotiating with our trading partners on behalf of America, instead of trying to be some globalist appeaser while every other country has leaders who negotiate on their behalf.

Crime is down.

Peace is (likely) coming to Ukraine and the Middle East.

Drug smugglers are being discouraged from poisoning our young.

Energy policy is no longer based on the imaginary threat of Global Warming or whatever the state-worshippers' theory is called now.

There won't be a viable third party without significant changes to the current system, which for all practical purposes, is locked down by the entrenched parties. We'll have to reject them - both of them - first.

We cannot reject both of them first. There is no "none of the above" option on the ballots. If there were, and NOA won an election, then what?

The Parties must be defeated by candidates who are not in the Parties. Some billionaire, some war hero, some author, or some celebrity of some kind might be able to make a plausible run for the White House without creating a party. G. Washington did.

But the way the Constitution is written makes it almost impossible for Congress to be filled with anyone but Party candidates. If we had a parliamentary system, we might have three to five parties.

But, just as you say, the two parties would never make that switch.

So, in this real world, Trump is the best person to be president, just for the fact he tries to do what's best for Americans, instead of what is best for narrow special interests.

 

[dblack]

Lots of things I don't like about Trump's policies and actions. But he is putting the country he leads first, and sadly that is a breath of fresh air. At least in the U.S.

Putting the country one leads first is the bare minimum standard anywhere but the U.S. (except maybe U.K.).

Suprising no one but the Trump-deranged, putting America first brings results that are good for America.

The border was secured practically overnight, after four years of the Biden open-border disaster.

Trump is negotiating with our trading partners on behalf of America, instead of trying to be some globalist appeaser while every other country has leaders who negotiate on their behalf.

Crime is down.

Peace is (likely) coming to Ukraine and the Middle East.

Drug smugglers are being discouraged from poisoning our young.

Energy policy is no longer based on the imaginary threat of Global Warming or whatever the state-worshippers' theory is called now.


We cannot reject both of them first.

Sure we can. You just have to get over the conceit that it's some kind of privilege to get to choose between two shitty options. Just say no. Sure, and Ds or and Rs will win for a while, and they'll continue to suck, but if enough of us refuse to play, they'll change their tune. They'll see all the votes left "on the table" and work toward a more consensus based platform.

But they won't do any of that as long as we line up like lemmings every four years and give them our stamp of approval.

So, in this real world, Trump is the best person to be president, just for the fact he tries to do what's best for Americans, instead of what is best for narrow special interests.

That's hopelessly deluded in my view, and will only hasten our race to the bottom.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Sure we can. You just have to get over the conceit that it's some kind of privilege to get to choose between two shitty options. Just say no. Sure, and Ds or and Rs will win for a while, and they'll continue to suck, but if enough of us refuse to play, they'll change their tune. They'll see all the votes left "on the table" and work toward a more consensus based platform.

But they won't do any of that as long as we line up like lemmings every four years and give them our stamp of approval.

That's hopelessly deluded in my view, and will only hasten our race to the bottom.

Okay, what's your plan to get rid of the Twoparties?

Not vague generalities like "stop worshipping them," or "stop voting for them." Tell me the steps.

 

[dblack]

Okay, what's your plan to get rid of the Twoparties?

Stop voting for them. They'll either get replaced by parties who DO want our votes, or they'll change their tune and start acting like adults.

Not vague generalities like "stop worshipping them," or "stop voting for them." Tell me the steps.

Sorry, there are no steps. It IS as simple as "stop voting for them". If we can't do that, nothing will change. What "steps" are you imagining?

 

[Seymour Flops]

Stop voting for them. They'll either get replaced by parties who DO want our votes, or they'll change their tune and start acting like adults.

Sorry, there are no steps. It IS as simple as "stop voting for them". If we can't do that, nothing will change. What "steps" are you imagining?

It is you who are imagining this massive change in American politics. Either you imagine steps or you imagine this change in one fell swoop.

So what is the fell swoop?

We cannot "stop voting for them" without someone or something to vote for instead.

Well, I guess we could. But that be "stop voting" not "stop voting for them." They'd love that.

If you're imagining the Libertarian Party will suddenly catch on, how is that going to happen if you are afraid to promote them, or even say their name, on an anonymous message board?

 

[dblack]

It is you who are imagining this massive change in American politics. Either you imagine steps or you imagine this change in one fell swoop.

So what is the fell swoop?

No fell swoop. It will take some time. But the parties won't change unless we withhold our votes from them. Short of armed revolution, it's the only thing that WILL prompt them to change.

We cannot "stop voting for them" without someone or something to vote for instead.

Of course we can. We must. I'd contend that there ARE people to vote for. But that's missing the point. If you really can't find someone to vote FOR, or write-in, don't vote. That's better than supporting bad candidates.

If you're imagining the Libertarian Party will suddenly ...

Nope. The far more likely outcome is that one, or both, of the major parties will change their tune to attract the votes they're leaving behind. Voting reforms like RCV would accelerate this process, but again - we'll have to unseat the entrenched corruption before any meaningful reform can happen.