Trump as won the popular vote

[buttercup]

I just can't explain to you why you said what you said.

Ok, I wasn't initially planning to get into all this, but I did say I'd be back if you want me to explain, and I wanted to keep my word.

Why do I believe Trump is controlled opposition? One of the first things that was a big red flag for me was his friendship with the Clintons, for many years, and the fact that he has publicly praised them, on multiple occasions. And not just a nice word out of politeness. No, I mean lavishing high praise on them. When he didn't have to. Way back in the 90's when I first got online, I had an anti-Clinton website for many years, so I spent years researching them and was amazed at how completely corrupt and flat out evil they are. So ANYONE who would publicly praise them, not just once, not twice, but multiple times? HUGE red flag for me, so that's probably the first thing that caused me to distrust him.

Secondly, to me, character and authenticity is extremely important when it comes to who we put in power. There are too many subversive people in politics who are part of a "club" that you and I aren't in. So I think it's important that we the people don't fall for their tricks by supporting someone who might say the right things, but is actually one of them. I know that many other conservatives say things like "We're electing a president, not a pope." Which btw was the same thing that the Dems said about Mr. Slick (Clinton) back when he got caught in all sorts of scandals. But to me, character is important because I don't believe that character and integrity can be compartmentalized. If a person is unfaithful, dishonest or sleazy in their personal life....what makes you think that they're going to be trustworthy and always ethical in other areas of their life? If someone can lie to the person who is supposed to be the most important person in their life...what makes you think they wouldn't lie to Joe Schmo, who they don't even know?

And on the topic of character, Trump's track record isn't good, at all. A serial adulterer, his close connections with really bad people, numerous legal troubles, his "past" political and social views (he is on the record saying he supports partial birth abortion, etc) To that, most conservatives say "that was his past, people can change." Yes, people CAN change, but when a person has a long-standing pattern of bad character and is THAT worldly, I truly believe that the ONLY thing that can change a person like that is being born again, true spiritual birth, which ONLY happens with Christ. And I simply don't see the evidence that he is born again.

Unless something has changed recently, the last I heard he doesn't even understand the most basics of Christianity. For example, he doesn't understand that everyone needs God's forgiveness, the bible says that no one is "good" enough on their own. Like you can see in the video below, he doesn't think he needs forgiveness.




And then there's the fact that once he got into office, he turned around and did the opposite of many of the things he ran on. He ran on "draining the swamp" and then after getting elected, he proceeded to appoint some of the swampiest swamp creatures of all. Many conservatives gave the excuse that he didn't know better, or that he was given bad advice. Well, if a person isn't knowledgeable and politically savvy enough to know WHO not to appoint, that's troubling too, lol. Either he knew what he was doing… Or he was naïve and easily misled.... or maybe he had to, because he's compromised? In the video at the end of this post, a great point is brought up by G. Edward Griffin. Be sure to watch that til the end, because it could explain why he does things that go against his promises.

He also went back on one of his campaign mantras of "lock her up!" Immediately after getting elected, he quickly changed his tune on Hillary. As you can see in this video.

Then there was his support of the COVID1984 agenda. He was literally singing the praises of Big Pharma on the White House front lawn, looking a lot like an infomercial spokesperson to me, which was yet another big red flag. He praised some horrible companies (that have a track record of deceit and putting money above health) calling them fantastic companies, and he promoted the vaccine.... and last I checked, he still promotes it and getting boosters.

Again, the excuse given was that he was given bad advice. Well, why would anyone support someone who is continually misled by bad advice? At his age, he should be smart and savvy enough to know better. I'm an INTP, and very intuitive. I knew from the start that the whole COVID thing was a scam. And later, the facts turned out to support my initial gut feeling about it. So either he truly believes in the vaccine, which to me shows that he's not very smart.... or he doesn't care, he just does what he's told, as a puppet. Again, either way it's not good.

Also, he doesn't seem to see a problem with a foreign country (Israel) having major influence over US politicians. (I added the bold, so that word is not missed.)

"The biggest change I’ve seen in Congress is Israel literally owned Congress — you understand that — 10 years ago, 15 years ago. And it was so powerful. It was so powerful....''​

​

''They had such power, Israel had such power — and rightfully — over Congress, and now it doesn’t. It’s incredible, actually...''​

Donald Trump says 'Israel literally owned Congress' in interview | The Jerusalem Post

The former US president echoed an antisemitic conspiracy theory in an interview on the Ari Hoffman Show Friday. "Israel had such power – and rightfully," he said.

www.jpost.com

For ^ that and other reasons, I don't buy the "America first" schtick. No one who is truly America first would ever say that another country rightfully had power over our congress.

There are so many more things I could bring up but this post is already getting way too long.

But I will say this... Based on what I've seen over the years, I truly believe that NO one is allowed to get to the highest office of the land, without already being "in the club." When the PTSB control both parties, they win either way, no matter who gets to be president. I believe that's the whole scam, playing both "sides" against each other, with presidents who either pretend to be conservative or liberal. Some good things might happen, which gives voters a little bit of hope. But overall, the direction does not change. Overall, on the important issues, the agendas continue. We're moving toward a totally different type of system, one that is not free, and one that is not good for ANY of us regular people, who are considered peasants or 'chattel' to the ruling elites.

Btw, G. Edward Griffin (author of the excellent book 'The Creature from Jekyll Island') who understands how things actually work in politics in this world, and understands the direction the PTSB want to take us in, agrees with my assessment of Trump.

 

[kyzr]

The GOP's diligence against voter fraud kept the 2024 election legitimate, unlike the 2020 election.
You can tell by the total number of voters that 2020 had 25m or 30m too many votes.
In 2024 we're back down to the 67m +72m = 139m that is expected considering normal population growth.
In 2020 we had an obviously fraudulent 155m votes cast. Good job RNC!!

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Trump got about the same number of votes as he did in 2020.
Trumpers love him.

Obviously he could shoot someone on Fifth Ave and not lose a vote

Dems sat on their hands. Something like 15 million less votes than Biden got.

I’m not sure why that happened but clearly women didn’t have the effect they should have. In fact they were schizophrenic

Abortion measures passed with 60% majorities in most states and failed to pass Wvwn though they had large majorities in states where Trump won big. That makes no sense. Clearly MAGA women support abortion rights but mistakenly don’t blame Trump for overturning Roe.

In any event we will be sorry

Every Republican Administration in the last 40 years has been a disaster and I don’t see how this one will be any different

So "Democracy" isn't working for you now ? Trump didn't overturn anything. The Federal Government has no business getting involved in anything not mandated to it by the Constitution the Supreme Court did the right thing turning the issue over to the States to decide. Hopefully the Court will continue in this direction and get rid of everything the Fed shouldn't have control of.

 

[Robert W]

Ok, I wasn't initially planning to get into all this, but I did say I'd be back if you want me to explain, and I wanted to keep my word.

Why do I believe Trump is controlled opposition? One of the first things that was a big red flag for me was his friendship with the Clintons, for many years, and the fact that he has publicly praised them, on multiple occasions. And not just a nice word out of politeness. No, I mean lavishing high praise on them. When he didn't have to. Way back in the 90's when I first got online, I had an anti-Clinton website for many years, so I spent years researching them and was amazed at how completely corrupt and flat out evil they are. So ANYONE who would publicly praise them, not just once, not twice, but multiple times? HUGE red flag for me, so that's probably the first thing that caused me to distrust him.

Secondly, to me, character and authenticity is extremely important when it comes to who we put in power. There are too many subversive people in politics who are part of a "club" that you and I aren't in. So I think it's important that we the people don't fall for their tricks by supporting someone who might say the right things, but is actually one of them. I know that many other conservatives say things like "We're electing a president, not a pope." Which btw was the same thing that the Dems said about Mr. Slick (Clinton) back when he got caught in all sorts of scandals. But to me, character is important because I don't believe that character and integrity can be compartmentalized. If a person is unfaithful, dishonest or sleazy in their personal life....what makes you think that they're going to be trustworthy and always ethical in other areas of their life? If someone can lie to the person who is supposed to be the most important person in their life...what makes you think they wouldn't lie to Joe Schmo, who they don't even know?

And on the topic of character, Trump's track record isn't good, at all. A serial adulterer, his close connections with really bad people, numerous legal troubles, his "past" political and social views (he is on the record saying he supports partial birth abortion, etc) To that, most conservatives say "that was his past, people can change." Yes, people CAN change, but when a person has a long-standing pattern of bad character and is THAT worldly, I truly believe that the ONLY thing that can change a person like that is being born again, true spiritual birth, which ONLY happens with Christ. And I simply don't see the evidence that he is born again.

Unless something has changed recently, the last I heard he doesn't even understand the most basics of Christianity. For example, he doesn't understand that everyone needs God's forgiveness, the bible says that no one is "good" enough on their own. Like you can see in the video below, he doesn't think he needs forgiveness.




And then there's the fact that once he got into office, he turned around and did the opposite of many of the things he ran on. He ran on "draining the swamp" and then after getting elected, he proceeded to appoint some of the swampiest swamp creatures of all. Many conservatives gave the excuse that he didn't know better, or that he was given bad advice. Well, if a person isn't knowledgeable and politically savvy enough to know WHO not to appoint, that's troubling too, lol. Either he knew what he was doing… Or he was naïve and easily misled.... or maybe he had to, because he's compromised? In the video at the end of this post, a great point is brought up by G. Edward Griffin. Be sure to watch that til the end, because it could explain why he does things that go against his promises.

He also went back on one of his campaign mantras of "lock her up!" Immediately after getting elected, he quickly changed his tune on Hillary. As you can see in this video.

Then there was his support of the COVID1984 agenda. He was literally singing the praises of Big Pharma on the White House front lawn, looking a lot like an infomercial spokesperson to me, which was yet another big red flag. He praised some horrible companies (that have a track record of deceit and putting money above health) calling them fantastic companies, and he promoted the vaccine.... and last I checked, he still promotes it and getting boosters.

Again, the excuse given was that he was given bad advice. Well, why would anyone support someone who is continually misled by bad advice? At his age, he should be smart and savvy enough to know better. I'm an INTP, and very intuitive. I knew from the start that the whole COVID thing was a scam. And later, the facts turned out to support my initial gut feeling about it. So either he truly believes in the vaccine, which to me shows that he's not very smart.... or he doesn't care, he just does what he's told, as a puppet. Again, either way it's not good.

Also, he doesn't seem to see a problem with a foreign country (Israel) having major influence over US politicians. (I added the bold, so that word is not missed.)

"The biggest change I’ve seen in Congress is Israel literally owned Congress — you understand that — 10 years ago, 15 years ago. And it was so powerful. It was so powerful....''​

​

''They had such power, Israel had such power — and rightfully — over Congress, and now it doesn’t. It’s incredible, actually...''​

Donald Trump says 'Israel literally owned Congress' in interview | The Jerusalem Post

The former US president echoed an antisemitic conspiracy theory in an interview on the Ari Hoffman Show Friday. "Israel had such power – and rightfully," he said.

www.jpost.com

For ^ that and other reasons, I don't buy the "America first" schtick. No one who is truly America first would ever say that another country rightfully had power over our congress.

There are so many more things I could bring up but this post is already getting way too long.

But I will say this... Based on what I've seen over the years, I truly believe that NO one is allowed to get to the highest office of the land, without already being "in the club." When the PTSB control both parties, they win either way, no matter who gets to be president. I believe that's the whole scam, playing both "sides" against each other, with presidents who either pretend to be conservative or liberal. Some good things might happen, which gives voters a little bit of hope. But overall, the direction does not change. Overall, on the important issues, the agendas continue. We're moving toward a totally different type of system, one that is not free, and one that is not good for ANY of us regular people, who are considered peasants or 'chattel' to the ruling elites.

Btw, G. Edward Griffin (author of the excellent book 'The Creature from Jekyll Island') who understands how things actually work in politics in this world, and understands the direction the PTSB want to take us in, agrees with my assessment of Trump.

I respect you more today than I had thought.
My comments are brief.
Who among men is perfect? Not over 2000 years back, but today?
My problem is that those who ran against Trump, may never be exposed by the media as very imperfect. So to manage Government, what to do? Pick the flawed opposition or Trump who of course as you point out is flawed?
We need a functioning government that has good policies. Biden did not have them nor does Harris. What should the American public do then?

Back when Jesus lived, he did not get to manage government. And look how he was treated!!!

 

[buttercup]

I respect you more today than I had thought.
My comments are brief.
Who among men is perfect? Not over 2000 years back, but today?
My problem is that those who ran against Trump, may never be exposed by the media as very imperfect. So to manage Government, what to do? Pick the flawed opposition or Trump who of course as you point out is flawed?
We need a functioning government that has good policies. Biden did not have them nor does Harris. What should the American public do then?

Back when Jesus lived, he did not get to manage government. And look how he was treated!!!

Well thanks. I appreciate the kind words, especially after my rantish posts to you the other day, lol. But as much as I hate to use this clichéd phrase, we're probably going to have to agree to disagree. I agree, of course, that no one is perfect. But to me, it's not a matter of Trump being imperfect. I truly believe he is controlled opposition, and not what he presents himself to be.

I don't know if you watched it, but in the video I posted at the end of my previous post, Griffin brought up an excellent point, one that I hadn't even really given much thought to before. The point is, when it comes to character and a person's background, a person like Trump is incredibly easy to blackmail.

When he said that, an interesting thought came to my mind. Trump's mentor, Roy Cohn, was said to be a sexual blackmailer... and this is a whole topic in and of itself, but from what I've heard, Cohn was a thoroughly corrupt, evil person, allegedly a pedophile who was involved with child trafficking, similar to Epstein. Also a closet homosexual, who died of AIDS, but always denied that and claimed he was dying of cancer.

Why am I bringing this up? Well, Griffin's point that a person like Trump is very easy to blackmail makes me think that perhaps Trump's presidency was something that was planned a long time ago, for that very reason. He can play the part, (he does have an acting resume, that goes back decades) there's no doubt in my mind that they have all sorts of dirt on him beyond what we know about...and on top of that, very interestingly, his own mentor was a sexual blackmailer!

But once again, I wasn't planning to write a long post and get into all this stuff. I just wanted to respond to your last point, which was basically "he is imperfect, but who isn't?" I think there's a huge difference between someone who is merely imperfect, and someone who has tons of skeletons in the closet, including some that are far, far worse than the ones we know about.

Now that I think about it, that's one of the reasons why people like that (Clinton, Obama, Trump, etc) make it to the top. They're easy to control for the very reason that they're compromised. Again, not as true presidents, but as puppets, or the "face".... as opposed to the brain behind the face.

 

[Robert W]

Now that I think about it, that's one of the reasons why people like that (Clinton, Obama, Trump, etc) make it to the top. They're easy to control for the very reason that they're compromised. Again, not as true presidents, but as puppets, or the "face".... as opposed to the brain behind the face.

Ronald Reagan is our last unblemished president. Ronald was truly more than a great man, he was devoted to honesty. As he did not own slaves, he ranks higher than Washington, Jefferson and the 10 other slave owners presidents. He did so much good for the USA and the world that communism has pulled back a lot in the world. Communism never did good for anybody. China is communist but they do not act economically as communists. They simply hold on to dictators. North Korea keeps the old parts of communism and refuses to be capitalist. And they are poor. A night time map of north Korea is black due to lack of power.
Anyway we will have Trump as president until 2029. I happen to think he has a chance to leave a favorable mark on the USA. Biden failed to improve the USA.

 

[buttercup]

Anyway we will have Trump as president until 2029. I happen to think he has a chance to leave a favorable mark on the USA. Biden failed to improve the USA.

We'll see. I have a theory on what might happen, but it's a little too crazy to share with a site as mainstream as this one. But I will say this... I hope he actually does follow through on all the things he was elected for, and I hope I'm wrong about the theory I just mentioned, regarding what's going to happen and where we're all heading.

 

[sealybobo]

This is the biggest surprise of all. Democrats: do not even think about "Russian Collusion II" or "Impeachment III".

The is as big of a landslide as is possible by a Republican at this stage.

The people have spoken.

Turned out not to be true. See how Republicans easily swallow fake news?

 

[sealybobo]

I guess the Democrats' platform of Abortion, Open Borders, and Trump Hate -- didn't work this time. AMEN.

It's funny that even though the liberal media tried to control the conversation by saying Trump is a threat to Democracy, that warning fell on deaf ears because Trump controlled the conversation.

The economy is good, but he said "not for blue collar workers. Inflation is killing them"
The border. Trump shut down the border deal but voters blame Democrats for the border. And to be honest, the border isn't even that big of a deal. But it was Republicans only topic because the economy is great, other than inflation, which Trump caused.

Transvestites swimming against girls. Republicans made less than 1% of our population a major issue. Anti WOKE.

There just picking on Trump. They are all crooks why pick on him?

Childless cat lady

 

[Edgetho]

Well thanks. I appreciate the kind words, especially after my rantish posts to you the other day, lol. But as much as I hate to use this clichéd phrase, we're probably going to have to agree to disagree. I agree, of course, that no one is perfect. But to me, it's not a matter of Trump being imperfect. I truly believe he is controlled opposition, and not what he presents himself to be.

I don't know if you watched it, but in the video I posted at the end of my previous post, Griffin brought up an excellent point, one that I hadn't even really given much thought to before. The point is, when it comes to character and a person's background, a person like Trump is incredibly easy to blackmail.

When he said that, an interesting thought came to my mind. Trump's mentor, Roy Cohn, was said to be a sexual blackmailer... and this is a whole topic in and of itself, but from what I've heard, Cohn was a thoroughly corrupt, evil person, allegedly a pedophile who was involved with child trafficking, similar to Epstein. Also a closet homosexual, who died of AIDS, but always denied that and claimed he was dying of cancer.

Why am I bringing this up? Well, Griffin's point that a person like Trump is very easy to blackmail makes me think that perhaps Trump's presidency was something that was planned a long time ago, for that very reason. He can play the part, (he does have an acting resume, that goes back decades) there's no doubt in my mind that they have all sorts of dirt on him beyond what we know about...and on top of that, very interestingly, his own mentor was a sexual blackmailer!

But once again, I wasn't planning to write a long post and get into all this stuff. I just wanted to respond to your last point, which was basically "he is imperfect, but who isn't?" I think there's a huge difference between someone who is merely imperfect, and someone who has tons of skeletons in the closet, including some that are far, far worse than the ones we know about.

Now that I think about it, that's one of the reasons why people like that (Clinton, Obama, Trump, etc) make it to the top. They're easy to control for the very reason that they're compromised. Again, not as true presidents, but as puppets, or the "face".... as opposed to the brain behind the face.

“Brevity is the soul of wit” is a famous line from Hamlet by William Shakespeare. It's a proverb that means that the essence of intelligence is to keep your comments short and concise.



In Hamlet, Polonius says this line in Act 2, Scene 2, lines 86-95a. The line is part of a nonsensical speech to the king and queen. The irony is that Polonius is not being brief at all. For example, he says, “My liege and madam, to expostulate / What majesty should be, what duty is, / Why day is day, night, night, and time is time — / Were nothing but to waste night, day, and time”.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

Trump got about the same number of votes as he did in 2020.
Trumpers love him.

Obviously he could shoot someone on Fifth Ave and not lose a vote

Dems sat on their hands. Something like 15 million less votes than Biden got.

I’m not sure why that happened but clearly women didn’t have the effect they should have. In fact they were schizophrenic

Abortion measures passed with 60% majorities in most states and failed to pass Wvwn though they had large majorities in states where Trump won big. That makes no sense. Clearly MAGA women support abortion rights but mistakenly don’t blame Trump for overturning Roe.

In any event we will be sorry

Every Republican Administration in the last 40 years has been a disaster and I don’t see how this one will be any different

Trump received 3 million more votes than he received in 2020.
Harris received about 7 million fewer votes than Biden did in 2020.

 

[Robert W]

Trump received 3 million more votes than he received in 2020.
Harris received about 7 million fewer votes than Biden did in 2020.

They always bring up votes for electors as opposed to the parties running. While my ballot did say Trump, the legal issue was that the Trump vote was for the elector. Why is this so vital?
Because the system does not tabulate the amount of votes among states, it treats every state as a unique group. Electors represent their states.
Sure Trump won the popular vote yet this is not what put him back as the next president.
Why do so many Americans refuse to understand how this works? As far as facts, DigitalDrifer is very accurate. So this has nothing to do with him at all.

 

[JusticeHammer]

It's funny that even though the liberal media tried to control the conversation by saying Trump is a threat to Democracy, that warning fell on deaf ears because Trump controlled the conversation.

The economy is good, but he said "not for blue collar workers. Inflation is killing them"
The border. Trump shut down the border deal but voters blame Democrats for the border. And to be honest, the border isn't even that big of a deal. But it was Republicans only topic because the economy is great, other than inflation, which Trump caused.

Transvestites swimming against girls. Republicans made less than 1% of our population a major issue. Anti WOKE.

There just picking on Trump. They are all crooks why pick on him?

Childless cat lady

Democrats like to lie to you saying "the economy is good". With prices across the board up and people can't afford groceries, it is NOT good.

 

[sealybobo]

Democrats like to lie to you saying "the economy is good". With prices across the board up and people can't afford groceries, it is NOT good.

Trust me dip shit. I have a good job, in Manufacturing. The economy is good. In fact it's GREAT as long as you have an education.

You're so stupid I'm going to make this short. Inflation fucked the poor the most. All over the world. Biden wasn't responsible for inflation. But he was doing a great job getting us out of it. Usually much more pain comes with the fix. But Biden gets the blame even though Trump should have gotten the blame for it. And as soon as Trump won he admitted he lied. He can't lower prices. He played you.

From 2019 to 2022, the median net worth of American families jumped 37% to $192,900, after adjusting for inflation. It’s the largest increase ever recorded by the federal Survey of Consumer Finances, released last fall. Surging home values and rising stock ownership fed the surge.

Do you have stocks and a home and a good job? Then you know the economy is great.

So you didn't get a raise that made up for inflation. Got it. LOSER!

 

[M14 Shooter]

Trump received a higher % of the popular vote than anyone named Clinton.
Or Gore.

 

[JusticeHammer]

Trust me dip shit. I have a good job, in Manufacturing. The economy is good. In fact it's GREAT as long as you have an education.

You're so stupid I'm going to make this short. Inflation fucked the poor the most. All over the world. Biden wasn't responsible for inflation. But he was doing a great job getting us out of it. Usually much more pain comes with the fix. But Biden gets the blame even though Trump should have gotten the blame for it. And as soon as Trump won he admitted he lied. He can't lower prices. He played you.

From 2019 to 2022, the median net worth of American families jumped 37% to $192,900, after adjusting for inflation. It’s the largest increase ever recorded by the federal Survey of Consumer Finances, released last fall. Surging home values and rising stock ownership fed the surge.

Do you have stocks and a home and a good job? Then you know the economy is great.

So you didn't get a raise that made up for inflation. Got it. LOSER!

You're the loser, liar. Go Trump, Democrats suck.