Trump and the GOP's have no health care plan, like always

[Seawytch]

The GOP's unwillingness to offer a real alternative to the ACA is one of the primary reasons that lousy bill is now law.

Any "health plan" that admits millions would have to use ER's for primary care is no "health plan" at all.
.

Is it the government's job to put forth a healthcare plan? Shouldn't people be responsible for providing for their own healthcare as they do with their other needs.

Doesn't matter to me if it's the government's job. The Democrats MADE it the government's job, the populace believes it, the Republicans chose to punt.

I don't like paying higher premiums because I'm having to ALSO pay for the uninsured.

I don't like waiting in the ER with a family member because it's stuffed with people who can't afford coverage.

The GOP can punt on this, and we'll end up with single payer.
.

Democrats made it the governments job? Really? Who put the burden on emergency rooms? Which President signed into law the requirement that emergency rooms treat everyone regardless of ability to pay?

Okay, then Democrats are NOT pushing for more government control of health care.


.

I didn't say that, just don't be dishonest and "blame" it on Democrats. St Ronald of Reagan made it a requirement to treat people regardless of ability to pay and he did it without a "pay for".

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

they want to dismantle the ACA , allow ins to cross state lines, already does, have HSA's , we already do.

Don't be fooled , read about Blue Cross Blue Shield Association and United Healthcare Group and a few other giants. They gobble up smaller health ins companies like Pac man, and do whatever they want to the prices.

I don't think I heard one GOP talk about prescription prices. If they did, it was not a big deal for them as I listened to all debates.

Trump doesn't know jack about HI, and all those coming out to endorse him, is just because they will want favors.

Obama made deals with Big Pharm on day one when he became president. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/06/health/policy/06insure.html?_r=0

He's been conspiring with them to raise the cost of prescription drugs since the day he was sworn in. He destroyed the health care industry to the point where many cannot even afford to pay their premiums without subsidies. Instead of lowering costs, he helped raise costs, tripling the costs to the consumer. Scrapping the whole thing would be the best thing they could do. The government is screwing it up instead of fixing it.

House Investigates Obama Deal With Drug Companies

Not conspiring. Also the senate has blocked all bills to repeal the deal as a result the drug prices have soared.

Funny,I seem to remember Barry telling us we'd save $2500 a year on our healthcare insurance.
And yet you somehow believe that a couple of socialist are going to save you money?

My husband has had private ins for years, I know all about health ins believe me. Lucky for him, the ACA came along, as healthy as he is, he may have an accident or get dx with ca tomorrow, and we will have a safety net , instead of losing our home and everything else.
Most who do not have ins, make over 50 grand a year, but most likely under 80, and they just don't think they need ins. I am happy its mandatory now, everyone pays according to their incomes.

My private insurance was great.
And you cant tell me shit about insurance.
I was diagnosed with cancer and had a hip replacement in one year and it didnt cost me shit out of pocket.
That is good insurance. The crap Barry is peddling is a joke for twice the cost in premiums and a deductible that would break the very people you claim it would help.
Unless of course you're already sucking the government tit.

So your on Medicare and have a medigap policy, or who are you insured with?

Nope. BCBS with a medical savings plan that covers all deductibles and which I can also withdraw money from for whatever I want at the end of the year.
And the astounding part? We actually set this up all by ourselves with no government assistance. Shocking I know....

Who paid for your HSA's, Your employer?

They match you up to a thousand each year and you put in whatever you want after that.
We always load it up at the beginning of each year so it covers prescriptions until we hit our deductible. With my prescriptions running over eight hundred a month it stops the sticker shock.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

The GOP's unwillingness to offer a real alternative to the ACA is one of the primary reasons that lousy bill is now law.

Any "health plan" that admits millions would have to use ER's for primary care is no "health plan" at all.
.

Is it the government's job to put forth a healthcare plan? Shouldn't people be responsible for providing for their own healthcare as they do with their other needs.

Doesn't matter to me if it's the government's job. The Democrats MADE it the government's job, the populace believes it, the Republicans chose to punt.

I don't like paying higher premiums because I'm having to ALSO pay for the uninsured.

I don't like waiting in the ER with a family member because it's stuffed with people who can't afford coverage.

The GOP can punt on this, and we'll end up with single payer.
.

Democrats made it the governments job? Really? Who put the burden on emergency rooms? Which President signed into law the requirement that emergency rooms treat everyone regardless of ability to pay?

Okay, then Democrats are NOT pushing for more government control of health care.


.

I didn't say that, just don't be dishonest and "blame" it on Democrats. St Ronald of Reagan made it a requirement to treat people regardless of ability to pay and he did it without a "pay for".

Than why did we need Barrycare?

 

[Stephanie]

This is how we end up losing our freedoms. People demanding a party in government supply them with health care.

 

[Rustic]

they want to dismantle the ACA , allow ins to cross state lines, already does, have HSA's , we already do.

Don't be fooled , read about Blue Cross Blue Shield Association and United Healthcare Group and a few other giants. They gobble up smaller health ins companies like Pac man, and do whatever they want to the prices.

I don't think I heard one GOP talk about prescription prices. If they did, it was not a big deal for them as I listened to all debates.

Trump doesn't know jack about HI, and all those coming out to endorse him, is just because they will want favors.

Healthcare is not a right, everyone has a right earn healthcare...
Every socialist entitlement program should be an opt in or opt out choice to be fair.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

This is how we end up losing our freedoms. People demanding a party in government supply them with health care.

And any number of other free shit programs.
It's insane,these people dont seem to realize that once they control the very means of your survival it's over.

 

[Seawytch]

Is it the government's job to put forth a healthcare plan? Shouldn't people be responsible for providing for their own healthcare as they do with their other needs.

Doesn't matter to me if it's the government's job. The Democrats MADE it the government's job, the populace believes it, the Republicans chose to punt.

I don't like paying higher premiums because I'm having to ALSO pay for the uninsured.

I don't like waiting in the ER with a family member because it's stuffed with people who can't afford coverage.

The GOP can punt on this, and we'll end up with single payer.
.

Democrats made it the governments job? Really? Who put the burden on emergency rooms? Which President signed into law the requirement that emergency rooms treat everyone regardless of ability to pay?

Okay, then Democrats are NOT pushing for more government control of health care.


.

I didn't say that, just don't be dishonest and "blame" it on Democrats. St Ronald of Reagan made it a requirement to treat people regardless of ability to pay and he did it without a "pay for".

Than why did we need Barrycare?

I'm sorry you weren't paying attention when the ACA was being debated, but you'll have to do you own homework. There are plenty of threads left from that time.

I'll type it again slower for you...St. Reagan required that hospitals treat all, regardless of their ability to pay, but he did not write into the law any way for the hospitals to be recouped for that cost. The hospitals were told to treat everyone and figure out how to pay for it. They figured out how to pay for it by gouging people that do have insurance...it's why you pay $20 for two aspirin.

 

[Seawytch]

This is how we end up losing our freedoms. People demanding a party in government supply them with health care.

Says the woman whose healthcare is provided by the government.

 

[Stephanie]

Obamas insurance Scam Laid fines on the people who won't BUY what they are selling and it's through the IRS. something else for them to put their jackboots on our necks. now what country are we living in again? and they are whining because the Majority of the people wants this thing Repealed

 

[Penelope]

Pfizer Inc on Monday said it would buy Botox maker Allergan Plc in a deal worth $160 billion to slash its U.S. tax bill, rekindling a fierce political debate over the financial maneuver.

The acquisition, which would create the world's largest drugmaker and shift Pfizer's headquarters to Ireland, would also be the biggest-ever instance of a U.S. company re-incorporating overseas to lower its taxes. U.S. President Barack Obama has called such inversion deals unpatriotic and has tried to crack down on the practice.

Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Clinton pledged to propose measures to prevent such deals. The merger was also slammed by her rival Senator Bernie Sanders as well as by Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump.

"The fact that Pfizer is leaving our country with a tremendous loss of jobs is disgusting," Trump said in a statement.

It was not immediately known how many jobs would be lost as a result of the merger.

Pfizer to buy Allergan in $160 billion deal

they want to dismantle the ACA , allow ins to cross state lines, already does, have HSA's , we already do.

Don't be fooled , read about Blue Cross Blue Shield Association and United Healthcare Group and a few other giants. They gobble up smaller health ins companies like Pac man, and do whatever they want to the prices.

I don't think I heard one GOP talk about prescription prices. If they did, it was not a big deal for them as I listened to all debates.

Trump doesn't know jack about HI, and all those coming out to endorse him, is just because they will want favors.

Obama made deals with Big Pharm on day one when he became president. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/06/health/policy/06insure.html?_r=0

He's been conspiring with them to raise the cost of prescription drugs since the day he was sworn in. He destroyed the health care industry to the point where many cannot even afford to pay their premiums without subsidies. Instead of lowering costs, he helped raise costs, tripling the costs to the consumer. Scrapping the whole thing would be the best thing they could do. The government is screwing it up instead of fixing it.

House Investigates Obama Deal With Drug Companies

Not conspiring. Also the senate has blocked all bills to repeal the deal as a result the drug prices have soared.

My husband has had private ins for years, I know all about health ins believe me. Lucky for him, the ACA came along, as healthy as he is, he may have an accident or get dx with ca tomorrow, and we will have a safety net , instead of losing our home and everything else.
Most who do not have ins, make over 50 grand a year, but most likely under 80, and they just don't think they need ins. I am happy its mandatory now, everyone pays according to their incomes.

My private insurance was great.
And you cant tell me shit about insurance.
I was diagnosed with cancer and had a hip replacement in one year and it didnt cost me shit out of pocket.
That is good insurance. The crap Barry is peddling is a joke for twice the cost in premiums and a deductible that would break the very people you claim it would help.
Unless of course you're already sucking the government tit.

So your on Medicare and have a medigap policy, or who are you insured with?

Nope. BCBS with a medical savings plan that covers all deductibles and which I can also withdraw money from for whatever I want at the end of the year.
And the astounding part? We actually set this up all by ourselves with no government assistance. Shocking I know....

Who paid for your HSA's, Your employer?

They match you up to a thousand each year and you put in whatever you want after that.
We always load it up at the beginning of each year so it covers prescriptions until we hit our deductible. With my prescriptions running over eight hundred a month it stops the sticker shock.

Great job you have. I imagine they cost share on your premium as well. Glad for you, but many do not have benefits like that even if they work full time.

But I feel everyone should pay what they can for health ins, and before the ACA many just chose to pay nothing at all. Take a 30 year old living in an apt, in good health and choosing not to have health ins. because he is in good health, so he ends up ill or in an accident while out hiking, and the hosp boots the bill (us). He doesn't declare bankruptcy because he has nothing to loose.

Now if someone has a home and can't afford health ins , and makes too much for Medicaid, they will file bankruptcy.

More and more jobs do not offer health ins. cost share, and many people work two jobs and do not have health ins, but at least with the ACA, they pay something for ins.

 

[Mac1958]

The GOP's unwillingness to offer a real alternative to the ACA is one of the primary reasons that lousy bill is now law.

Any "health plan" that admits millions would have to use ER's for primary care is no "health plan" at all.
.

Is it the government's job to put forth a healthcare plan? Shouldn't people be responsible for providing for their own healthcare as they do with their other needs.

Doesn't matter to me if it's the government's job. The Democrats MADE it the government's job, the populace believes it, the Republicans chose to punt.

I don't like paying higher premiums because I'm having to ALSO pay for the uninsured.

I don't like waiting in the ER with a family member because it's stuffed with people who can't afford coverage.

The GOP can punt on this, and we'll end up with single payer.
.

Democrats made it the governments job? Really? Who put the burden on emergency rooms? Which President signed into law the requirement that emergency rooms treat everyone regardless of ability to pay?

Okay, then Democrats are NOT pushing for more government control of health care.


.

I didn't say that, just don't be dishonest and "blame" it on Democrats. St Ronald of Reagan made it a requirement to treat people regardless of ability to pay and he did it without a "pay for".

Did I say "blame"? Nope. You're just being defensive.

I actually "blame" the Republicans for the ACA.
.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Pfizer Inc on Monday said it would buy Botox maker Allergan Plc in a deal worth $160 billion to slash its U.S. tax bill, rekindling a fierce political debate over the financial maneuver.

The acquisition, which would create the world's largest drugmaker and shift Pfizer's headquarters to Ireland, would also be the biggest-ever instance of a U.S. company re-incorporating overseas to lower its taxes. U.S. President Barack Obama has called such inversion deals unpatriotic and has tried to crack down on the practice.

Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Clinton pledged to propose measures to prevent such deals. The merger was also slammed by her rival Senator Bernie Sanders as well as by Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump.

"The fact that Pfizer is leaving our country with a tremendous loss of jobs is disgusting," Trump said in a statement.

It was not immediately known how many jobs would be lost as a result of the merger.

Pfizer to buy Allergan in $160 billion deal

they want to dismantle the ACA , allow ins to cross state lines, already does, have HSA's , we already do.

Don't be fooled , read about Blue Cross Blue Shield Association and United Healthcare Group and a few other giants. They gobble up smaller health ins companies like Pac man, and do whatever they want to the prices.

I don't think I heard one GOP talk about prescription prices. If they did, it was not a big deal for them as I listened to all debates.

Trump doesn't know jack about HI, and all those coming out to endorse him, is just because they will want favors.

Obama made deals with Big Pharm on day one when he became president. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/06/health/policy/06insure.html?_r=0

He's been conspiring with them to raise the cost of prescription drugs since the day he was sworn in. He destroyed the health care industry to the point where many cannot even afford to pay their premiums without subsidies. Instead of lowering costs, he helped raise costs, tripling the costs to the consumer. Scrapping the whole thing would be the best thing they could do. The government is screwing it up instead of fixing it.

House Investigates Obama Deal With Drug Companies

Not conspiring. Also the senate has blocked all bills to repeal the deal as a result the drug prices have soared.

My private insurance was great.
And you cant tell me shit about insurance.
I was diagnosed with cancer and had a hip replacement in one year and it didnt cost me shit out of pocket.
That is good insurance. The crap Barry is peddling is a joke for twice the cost in premiums and a deductible that would break the very people you claim it would help.
Unless of course you're already sucking the government tit.

So your on Medicare and have a medigap policy, or who are you insured with?

Nope. BCBS with a medical savings plan that covers all deductibles and which I can also withdraw money from for whatever I want at the end of the year.
And the astounding part? We actually set this up all by ourselves with no government assistance. Shocking I know....

Who paid for your HSA's, Your employer?

They match you up to a thousand each year and you put in whatever you want after that.
We always load it up at the beginning of each year so it covers prescriptions until we hit our deductible. With my prescriptions running over eight hundred a month it stops the sticker shock.

Great job you have. I imagine they cost share on your premium as well. Glad for you, but many do not have benefits like that even if they work full time.

But I feel everyone should pay what they can for health ins, and before the ACA many just chose to pay nothing at all. Take a 30 year old living in an apt, in good health and choosing not to have health ins. because he is in good health, so he ends up ill or in an accident while out hiking, and the hosp boots the bill (us). He doesn't declare bankruptcy because he has nothing to loose.

Now if someone has a home and can't afford health ins , and makes too much for Medicaid, they will file bankruptcy.

More and more jobs do not offer health ins. cost share, and many people work two jobs and do not have health ins, but at least with the ACA, they pay something for ins.

In all my years I never worked for a company that didnt provide healthcare,some even paid for all of it.
That all changed with obamacare.

 

[Stephanie]

Is it the government's job to put forth a healthcare plan? Shouldn't people be responsible for providing for their own healthcare as they do with their other needs.

Doesn't matter to me if it's the government's job. The Democrats MADE it the government's job, the populace believes it, the Republicans chose to punt.

I don't like paying higher premiums because I'm having to ALSO pay for the uninsured.

I don't like waiting in the ER with a family member because it's stuffed with people who can't afford coverage.

The GOP can punt on this, and we'll end up with single payer.
.

Democrats made it the governments job? Really? Who put the burden on emergency rooms? Which President signed into law the requirement that emergency rooms treat everyone regardless of ability to pay?

Okay, then Democrats are NOT pushing for more government control of health care.


.

I didn't say that, just don't be dishonest and "blame" it on Democrats. St Ronald of Reagan made it a requirement to treat people regardless of ability to pay and he did it without a "pay for".

Did I say "blame"? Nope. You're just being defensive.

I actually "blame" the Republicans for the ACA.
.

true and that was the turning point of their constituents turning on them for lying to get elected on that they would repeal ObamaScamCare.

 

[Penelope]

they want to dismantle the ACA , allow ins to cross state lines, already does, have HSA's , we already do.

Don't be fooled , read about Blue Cross Blue Shield Association and United Healthcare Group and a few other giants. They gobble up smaller health ins companies like Pac man, and do whatever they want to the prices.

I don't think I heard one GOP talk about prescription prices. If they did, it was not a big deal for them as I listened to all debates.

Trump doesn't know jack about HI, and all those coming out to endorse him, is just because they will want favors.

Healthcare is not a right, everyone has a right earn healthcare...
Every socialist entitlement program should be an opt in or opt out choice to be fair.

Seems to of been a free right before the ACA, not any more. You do not need to be on the ACA, all you need to do IS be able to prove coverage in a HI plan.

 

[BluesLegend]

Here's my alternative to Obamacare, I call it the get a job loser and buy your own damn insurance plan.

 

[Seawytch]

Is it the government's job to put forth a healthcare plan? Shouldn't people be responsible for providing for their own healthcare as they do with their other needs.

Doesn't matter to me if it's the government's job. The Democrats MADE it the government's job, the populace believes it, the Republicans chose to punt.

I don't like paying higher premiums because I'm having to ALSO pay for the uninsured.

I don't like waiting in the ER with a family member because it's stuffed with people who can't afford coverage.

The GOP can punt on this, and we'll end up with single payer.
.

Democrats made it the governments job? Really? Who put the burden on emergency rooms? Which President signed into law the requirement that emergency rooms treat everyone regardless of ability to pay?

Okay, then Democrats are NOT pushing for more government control of health care.


.

I didn't say that, just don't be dishonest and "blame" it on Democrats. St Ronald of Reagan made it a requirement to treat people regardless of ability to pay and he did it without a "pay for".

Did I say "blame"? Nope. You're just being defensive.

I actually "blame" the Republicans for the ACA.
.

I should hope so. It was their plan after all, courtesy of Heritage, Bob Dole and Mitt Romney.

 

[Rustic]

they want to dismantle the ACA , allow ins to cross state lines, already does, have HSA's , we already do.

Don't be fooled , read about Blue Cross Blue Shield Association and United Healthcare Group and a few other giants. They gobble up smaller health ins companies like Pac man, and do whatever they want to the prices.

I don't think I heard one GOP talk about prescription prices. If they did, it was not a big deal for them as I listened to all debates.

Trump doesn't know jack about HI, and all those coming out to endorse him, is just because they will want favors.

Healthcare is not a right, everyone has a right earn healthcare...
Every socialist entitlement program should be an opt in or opt out choice to be fair.

Seems to of been a free right before the ACA, not any more. You do not need to be on the ACA, all you need to do IS be able to prove coverage in a HI plan.

Legalized extortion

 

[jon_berzerk]

Doesn't matter to me if it's the government's job. The Democrats MADE it the government's job, the populace believes it, the Republicans chose to punt.

I don't like paying higher premiums because I'm having to ALSO pay for the uninsured.

I don't like waiting in the ER with a family member because it's stuffed with people who can't afford coverage.

The GOP can punt on this, and we'll end up with single payer.
.

Democrats made it the governments job? Really? Who put the burden on emergency rooms? Which President signed into law the requirement that emergency rooms treat everyone regardless of ability to pay?

Okay, then Democrats are NOT pushing for more government control of health care.


.

I didn't say that, just don't be dishonest and "blame" it on Democrats. St Ronald of Reagan made it a requirement to treat people regardless of ability to pay and he did it without a "pay for".

Did I say "blame"? Nope. You're just being defensive.

I actually "blame" the Republicans for the ACA.
.

I should hope so. It was their plan after all, courtesy of Heritage, Bob Dole and Mitt Romney.

rumor has it

romney is going to "get tough" on trump

--LOL

 

[Rustic]

Doesn't matter to me if it's the government's job. The Democrats MADE it the government's job, the populace believes it, the Republicans chose to punt.

I don't like paying higher premiums because I'm having to ALSO pay for the uninsured.

I don't like waiting in the ER with a family member because it's stuffed with people who can't afford coverage.

The GOP can punt on this, and we'll end up with single payer.
.

Democrats made it the governments job? Really? Who put the burden on emergency rooms? Which President signed into law the requirement that emergency rooms treat everyone regardless of ability to pay?

Okay, then Democrats are NOT pushing for more government control of health care.


.

I didn't say that, just don't be dishonest and "blame" it on Democrats. St Ronald of Reagan made it a requirement to treat people regardless of ability to pay and he did it without a "pay for".

Did I say "blame"? Nope. You're just being defensive.

I actually "blame" the Republicans for the ACA.
.

I should hope so. It was their plan after all, courtesy of Heritage, Bob Dole and Mitt Romney.

 

[Mertex]

they want to dismantle the ACA , allow ins to cross state lines, already does, have HSA's , we already do.

Don't be fooled , read about Blue Cross Blue Shield Association and United Healthcare Group and a few other giants. They gobble up smaller health ins companies like Pac man, and do whatever they want to the prices.

I don't think I heard one GOP talk about prescription prices. If they did, it was not a big deal for them as I listened to all debates.

Trump doesn't know jack about HI, and all those coming out to endorse him, is just because they will want favors.

Ah....but they do....have a healthcare plan....

"Don't get sick....but if you do, die quickly" - that is their plan.