Trump and Musk: Two Grown Men Who Need To Grow The **** Up

[whutTHEYsay]

Tell me St.Ding as you understand your cosmic battle between good and evil, I have a question.

Were the white European colonizers who settled the original 13 colonies and then those who crossed King George’s Proclamation Line of 1763 ~ good or evil when they did not respect the indigenous people who lived on that land for over ten thousand years?

As I read the above image, it’s clear that Pope Leo III in 1537 says colonizers who did not respect the rights and land rights of the indigenous people were “tools and allies of the devil.”

That’s pretty much evil isn’t it St.Ding?

abolishing religion is a goal of the left?

The left is plenty religious, We are just religiously tolerant like George Washington was as a Freemason..

Although I can figures you’re still stuck in the McCarthy era.

 

[kyzr]

Man. It’s almost as if we were right about them the whole time

I'm sure they value the opinions of toxic democrats. Trump was at a WWE event last night, cheering crowds.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Trump was at a WWE event last night, cheering crowds.

Upon my arrival in the United States the religious aspect of the country was the first thing that struck my attention; and the longer I stayed there, the more I perceived the great political consequences resulting from this new state of things.

In France I had almost always seen the spirit of religion and the spirit of freedom marching in opposite directions. But in America I found they were intimately united and that they reigned in common over the same country.

Religion in America...must be regarded as the foremost of the political institutions of that country; for if it does not impart a taste for freedom, it facilitates the use of it. Indeed, it is in this same point of view that the inhabitants of the United States themselves look upon religious belief.

I do not know whether all Americans have a sincere faith in their religion -- for who can search the human heart? But I am certain that they hold it to be indispensable to the maintenance of republican institutions. This opinion is not peculiar to a class of citizens or a party, but it belongs to the whole nation and to every rank of society.

In the United States, the sovereign authority is religious...there is no country in the world where the Christian religion retains a greater influence over the souls of men than in America, and there can be no greater proof of its utility and of its conformity to human nature than that its influence is powerfully felt over the most enlightened and free nation of the earth.

In the United States, the influence of religion is not confined to the manners, but it extends to the intelligence of the people...

Christianity, therefore, reigns without obstacle, by universal consent...

I sought for the key to the greatness and genius of America in her harbors...; in her fertile fields and boundless forests; in her rich mines and vast world commerce; in her public school system and institutions of learning. I sought for it in her democratic Congress and in her matchless Constitution.

Not until I went into the churches of America and heard her pulpits flame with righteousness did I understand the secret of her genius and power.

America is great because America is good, and if America ever ceases to be good, America will cease to be great.

The safeguard of morality is religion, and morality is the best security of law as well as the surest pledge of freedom.

The Americans combine the notions of Christianity and of liberty so intimately in their minds, that it is impossible to make them conceive the one without the other

Christianity is the companion of liberty in all its conflicts -- the cradle of its infancy, and the divine source of its claims.

Tocqueville gives this account of a court case in New York:

While I was in America, a witness, who happened to be called at the assizes of the county of Chester (state of New York), declared that he did not believe in the existence of God or in the immortality of the soul. The judge refused to admit his evidence, on the ground that the witness had destroyed beforehand all confidence of the court in what he was about to say. The newspapers related the fact without any further comment. The New York Spectator of August 23rd, 1831, relates the fact in the following terms:

"The court of common pleas of Chester county (New York), a few days since rejected a witness who declared his disbelief in the existence of God. The presiding judge remarked, that he had not before been aware that there was a man living who did not believe in the existence of God; that this belief constituted the sanction of all testimony in a court of justice: and that he knew of no case in a Christian country, where a witness had been permitted to testify without such belief."

 

[ding]

Continual citing of authority figures.

He is the authority on liberty and freedom. It's not a shock you disagree with George Washington and agree with Karl Marx.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Two grumpy old men. That's what my cynical side tells me. Kinda sorta like the movie with Walter Matthau, but not. My intelligent side though says these men are acting like children. Both of them.

All in all, they need to grow the **** up. Seriously. There was a good thing going between the richest, most brilliant man this world has seen since Einstein, and Trump, who staged the greatest and what some see as the most miraculous political comeback in American history. But then when Trump found out an ally of Musk's, whom he nominated for NASA, was a Democrat (oh the horror!) he pulled him. That likely led to Musk voicing his displeasure with the BBB, and then today's row.

On one side, you have Musk, a centibillionaire and pioneering aerospace and technological innovator. On the other hand, you have Trump, the United States president twice, survivor of three separate assassination attempts, one of which almost killed him. Both, who should be projecting unity in the face of a feeble attempt by the left to take them down. But what happened? They did all the work for the left by going after each other's throats. In the left's lowest moment as a party, they give them substance and nourishment.

Trump and the GOP won't cut the pork, and Musk won't support it. And to tell you the truth, I kinda didn't like Musk before he got into politics, but I admired what he was doing for the aerospace industry. His vision for Mars ignited my imagination. I became one of his fans. However, now that Musk has gotten a taste of how savage DC politics are, he shouldn't be so naive. Three months is not sufficient experience. Musk was not prepared for the savagery that he would get for engaging the American political apparatus. Trump on the other hand, has a keen political instinct, it has served him well enough to get him elected twice. Musk would be wise to get back in Trump's good graces, and fast.

But in the end, I joined politics as a fiscal conservative (now classical liberal). What Trump is doing with the BBB is a travesty. He betrays my vote and faith in him when he endorses a bill with so much pork in it. Yeah, he aced immigration, but that's only one quantum of my conservatism. I want there to be spending cuts. What I don't want is a problem in search of a solution. I don't want presidents making agreements with people like Palantir for ways to keep and store my personal information. I don't care for people who lack conviction.

I agree with Musk in the end here, and I presume I always will. Musk to me is proving more a man of the people than Trump right now, and it disappoints me to say that.

With all that being said, they are both GROWN MEN who need to grow the **** up. I've reached my limit of bullshit.

Out.

Nah, its simple. Musk will get back in the good graces of the left, they will start buying Tesla again and then the trump/musk feud will be over.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

He is the authority on liberty and freedom. It's not a shock you disagree with George Washington and agree with Karl Marx.

Have some original ideas instead of parroting the ancients.

 

[ding]

Have some original ideas instead of parroting the ancients.

It was for good reason that George Washington said patriots don't subvert religion and Karl Marx said communism is naturalized atheism, dummy.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

It was for good reason that George Washington said patriots don't subvert religion and Karl Marx said communism is naturalized atheism, dummy.

Again Ding. Please have some original ideas. Anyone can find some dead person to quote. Do some work. Don't always take the easy and safe way out. You know. Like pretending baby Jesus will save your ass when you die and you can watch nonbelievers tortured by your loving god's surrogate called the devil for all eternity while being fed bonbons by nubile young virgins and yelling at the agonizing screamed "I told you to believe. Nananana."

 

[Zincwarrior]

Sauce

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They aren't conservatives. They are MAGA. They will follow MAGA orders.

 

[Zincwarrior]

The US needs Starlink ans SpaceX, not Musk. That can and should happen.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

They aren't conservatives. They are MAGA. They will follow MAGA orders.

Who in the world does not want to make America GREAT again after the horrific Biden/Blinken/Obama/Soros years?

 

[ding]

Again Ding. Please have some original ideas. Anyone can find some dead person to quote. Do some work. Don't always take the easy and safe way out. You know. Like pretending baby Jesus will save your ass when you die and you can watch nonbelievers tortured by your loving god's surrogate called the devil for all eternity while being fed bonbons by nubile young virgins and yelling at the agonizing screamed "I told you to believe. Nananana."

The idea still today is that virtue and religion are pillars of freedom and liberty. If you attack virtue and religion then you are attacking freedom and liberty. Atheism is naturalized communism.

 

[ding]

Who in the world does not want to make America GREAT again after the horrific Biden/Blinken/Obama/Soros years?

Anyone who wants to abolish religion like you do. I mean how many idiots do you know - besides you - who want to remove a constitutional right? Do you want to abolish guns rights too?

 

[whutTHEYsay]

He is the authority on liberty and freedom.

If you agree with our Freemason first president who didn’t believe in the divinity of Christ or that he died on the cross for our sins and is godhead of the only good religion in the world and he is the expert on liberty and freedom; Why do you want the government to arrest women if they decide to terminate their own pregnancy question?

 

[whutTHEYsay]

He is the authority on liberty and freedom. It's not a shock you disagree with George Washington and agree with Karl Marx.

Tocqueville gives this account of a court case in New York:

While I was in America, a witness, who happened to be called at the assizes of the county of Chester (state of New York), declared that he did not believe in the existence of God or in the immortality of the soul. The judge refused to admit his evidence, on the ground that the witness had destroyed beforehand all confidence of the court in what he was about to say. The newspapers related the fact without any further comment. The New York Spectator of August 23rd, 1831, relates the fact in the following terms:

"The court of common pleas of Chester county (New York), a few days since rejected a witness who declared his disbelief in the existence of God. The presiding judge remarked, that he had not before been aware that there was a man living who did not believe in the existence of God; that this belief constituted the sanction of all testimony in a court of justice: and that he knew of no case in a Christian country, where a witness had been permitted to testify without such belief."

Big Tocqueville fan are ya St.Ding? You don’t stand for religious liberty or a woman of the right to privacy. Stop pretending like you believe in Washington.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

The idea still today is that virtue and religion are pillars of freedom and liberty. If you attack virtue and religion then you are attacking freedom and liberty. Atheism is naturalized communism.

Religion is anything but freedom. It is Believe OR ELSE.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Anyone who wants to abolish religion like you do. I mean how many idiots do you know - besides you - who want to remove a constitutional right? Do you want to abolish guns rights too?

I told you it would never be done. If I were king, for the good of humanity I would ban it as pablum for the uneducated masses.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Religion is anything but freedom. It is Believe OR ELSE.

You and St.Ding are both wrong. Organized Religion in general has nothing to do with anybody’s freedom of conscience on US Soil

And Christianity had nothing to do with the founding of our nation; and because of that fact, no one can force you to believe anything if you do not want to.

The problem we have with white Republican Christian nationalism is that in a every state where Republican religious fanatics have the majority they can force full term gestation on all women because they believe the sanctity of life begins at conception according to their fanatical belief in their fanatic version of theirs religion

Most believers in religion in the United States are woke and good citizens, but most importantly they are decent human beings.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

You and St.Ding are both wrong. Organized Religion in general has nothing to do with anybody’s freedom of conscience on US Soil

And Christianity had nothing to do with the founding of our nation; and because of that fact, no one can force you to believe anything if you do not want to.

The problem we have with white Republican Christian nationalism is that in a every state where Republican religious fanatics have the majority they can force full term gestation on all women because they believe the sanctity of life begins at conception according to their fanatical belief in their fanatic version of theirs religion

Most believers in religion in the United States are woke and good citizens, but most importantly they are decent human beings.

We disagree on all counts. Firstly Christianity has been waning fast for decades now and there are few evangelicals or far-right Christians left because as society has more access to information on the net, Christian BS and claims are instantaneously able to be debunked. For instance, ask a devout believer why he or she believes the bible is inspired and you get the usual nonsense that prophecies have come true, and when you ask for just one they either slink away or give you one that can now decimate with Gork, Copilot, Google Gemini, and countless others.

I wouldn't worry too much about Christian Nationalism because they are fringe nutjobs. But, if some states go that way, this is America and like the left crazies in Oregon and Washington, a person can just move. This is the United STATES and each can do what it wants as long as it is constitutional.