Trump and Musk are getting rid of the CIA, the FBI and the entire Federal Department

[Missouri_Mike]

There are already two suits filed in federal court by FBI agents and staff challenging firings and demands for resignation.

FBI agents sue over Justice Dept. effort to ID employees involved in Trump-related investigations

Of course they are. It’s almost as if they can’t wait to prove there indeed is an unaccountable beaurocratic deep state.

 

[Billiejeens]

If you have to pay them, they aren't your friends. I hope I didn't just ruin your life...

He has no life

 

[WEATHER53]

Multiple name changes over a brief period of time equates to a coward running to hide its identity and what is attributed.
Should not be allowed, its deceit and deception and phony

 

[BluesLegend]

Look you Dem assholes, it's not our fault Democrats corrupted every government agency. Now we are cleaning up your corrupt mess so just sit down and shut your pie holes.

 

[WEATHER53]

Look you Dem assholes, it's not our fault Democrats corrupted every government agency. Now we are cleaning up your corrupt mess so just sit down and shit your pie holes.

Took a shit in my front yard snd don’t want it disposed of

 

[Luckyone]

Balance is necessary. Without balance, Musk's rockets wouldn't blast off. If there were no balance in accounts, Trump's businesses would fail.

Recent reports indicate that Donald Trump and Elon Musk are indeed pursuing significant changes within federal agencies, particularly targeting the CIA and USAID. However, the claim that they are entirely "getting rid of" these agencies is an exaggeration.

Key Developments

- CIA Buyout Offers: The CIA has initiated a buyout program for its entire workforce, encouraging employees who do not align with the Trump administration's vision to resign. This offer includes approximately eight months of salary and benefits, reflecting a broader strategy by Trump to reshape the federal bureaucracy with loyal supporters[1][2][3][4][6].

- FBI Changes: Trump's Justice Department has begun removing FBI agents involved in investigations related to him, signaling a shift in priorities within federal law enforcement[2][4].

- USAID Closure: Musk has announced plans to dismantle USAID, with Trump reportedly agreeing to this initiative. Employees have been instructed to avoid the agency's headquarters as part of this restructuring effort[5][7].

Conclusion

While there are substantial efforts underway to restructure these agencies, including buyouts and potential closures, the assertion that Trump and Musk are completely eliminating the CIA, FBI, and other federal departments is misleading. Instead, they are implementing significant changes aimed at aligning these agencies more closely with their political goals.

sources:
[1] Trump’s Purge Finds a Troubling New Target: The CIA
[2] CIA offers buyouts to entire workforce in intelligence agency first: Report
[3] CIA offers buyout to entire workforce
[4] https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/04/politics/cia-workforce-buyouts/index.html
[5] Trump and Musk move to dismantle USAID, igniting battle with Democratic lawmakers
[6] C.I.A. Extends Resignation Offers as Effort to Shrink Work Force Spreads
[7] USAID security chiefs put on leave after trying to stop Musk's team from accessing classified info, officials say
[8] https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/the-cia-is-about-to-get-a-trump-makeover-16fc0cbf
[9] Trump Live Updates: Musk-Led Federal Buyouts Expand to CIA as White House Eyes Cuts
[10] Trump’s “Buyout” Purge Comes for the CIA

The question of whether U.S. federal agencies should remain neutral is a topic of significant debate, with arguments supporting both sides.

Arguments for Neutrality

1. Public Trust: Federal employees are expected to enforce laws impartially, fostering public trust in government institutions. The Hatch Act, which restricts political activities of federal employees, underscores the importance of maintaining a neutral stance to avoid any perceived bias in governance [1][5].

2. Effective Governance: A neutral bureaucracy is believed to enhance the effectiveness of government operations. By focusing on expertise and professionalism rather than political affiliations, agencies can implement policies based on evidence and best practices, leading to better outcomes for the public [3][9].

3. Accountability and Stability: Neutrality helps ensure that changes in political leadership do not disrupt the continuity of government services. This stability is crucial for long-term planning and implementation of policies that serve the public interest, regardless of the political climate [4][9].

Arguments Against Strict Neutrality

1. Democratic Responsiveness: Some argue that federal agencies should reflect the political will of elected officials to ensure accountability. This perspective suggests that civil servants should not be completely insulated from political influences, as they are ultimately implementing policies decided by democratically elected leaders [3][9].

2. Challenges in Practice: The concept of neutrality can be complicated by real-world situations where decisions must be made based on incomplete information or changing circumstances. Critics argue that strict adherence to neutrality can hinder agencies from responding effectively to urgent issues [4].

3. Political Pressures: In practice, federal agencies often face political pressures that can influence their operations, regardless of formal neutrality policies. This reality raises questions about the feasibility and desirability of maintaining absolute neutrality in a politically charged environment [2][9].

Conclusion

While neutrality in federal agencies is aimed at promoting fairness and effectiveness, it also faces challenges related to accountability and responsiveness to elected officials. Balancing these aspects is crucial for ensuring that federal agencies serve the public interest while remaining effective and trustworthy.

sources:
[1] https://www.justice.gov/jmd/file/834486/dl
[2] Supreme Court to decide scope of federal agency power | USC Gould School of Law
[3] https://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/2023-06/regulation-v46n2-4.pdf
[4] https://digitalcommons.law.buffalo.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4910&context=buffalolawreview
[5] Federal Employee Hatch Act Information
[6] Supreme Court Decision Limiting the Authority of Federal Agencies Could Have Far-Reaching Impacts for Health Policy | KFF
[7] https://www.energy.gov/gc/articles/partisan-political-activity-restrictions
[8] Is Most of the Federal Government Unconstitutional? | The Regulatory Review
[9] ‘Neutral competence,’ partisanship and efforts to overhaul the civil service
[10] https://osc.gov/Documents/Hatch Act/Advisory Opinions/Federal/Social Media and Email FAQs.pdf

Thanks for all the information given BUT the fact remains that this HAS HAPPENED:

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Trump administration announced Tuesday that it is offering buyouts to all federal employees who opt to leave their jobs by next week — an unprecedented move to shrink the U.S. government at breakneck speed.

If they all take him up on it, there won't be a Federal Administration. This is fact.

Everything else you sent are assumptions and nothing else.

This is like when Trump did this:



Nonetheless and in that situation, Trump did not get rid of Obama health care, meaning that Americans still had insurance for Health care. In this instance, he is still promising a plan to replace the current Federal administration but he has not left the option that if he doesn't come up with a plan, we will have no Federal administration if all Federal employees take him up on his offer (already sent, so it is a fact) or are fired by September 15th. In simple words, as it is right now, Americans will lose what they get from the Federal government and have nothing to replace it.

It is nice that you "believe" this pathological liar but facts are against you. Trump only kept 25% of his promises in the 1st administration and not only is he a proven pathological liar but is also a proven incompetent man.

 

[Billiejeens]

Look you Dem assholes, it's not our fault Democrats corrupted every government agency. Now we are cleaning up your corrupt mess so just sit down and shit your pie holes.

Also- shut

 

[luiza]

Multiple name changes over a brief period of time equates to a coward running to hide its identity and what is attributed.
Should not be allowed, its deceit and deception and phony

He is what we call a cad and a bounder .

A few weekends in the public stocks, being pelted with rotten fruit seems absolutely in order .

Apparently he put me on Ignore for calling him Mucky Bum.
Perhaps it should have been Mucky Tongue .

 

[Billiejeens]

He is what we call a cad and a bounder .

A few weekends in the public stocks, being pelted with rotten fruit seems absolutely in order .

Apparently he put me on Ignore for calling him Mucky Bum.
Perhaps it should have been Mucky Tongue .

He has everyone on ignore.
He needs a safe space.

 

[Mack The Finger]

Trump and Musk are getting rid of the FBI, the CIA and the entire Federal Department.

Thats news to me !

 

[Luckyone]

If you have to pay them, they aren't your friends. I hope I didn't just ruin your life...

Paying for friends is a better option than not paying and having an enemy or having someone that wishes you ill because you did not help them when they needed your help.

Is saving money more important that feeling/being safe?

 

[Luckyone]

Multiple name changes over a brief period of time equates to a coward running to hide its identity and what is attributed.
Should not be allowed, its deceit and deception and phony

I do not know if you are talking about me or not, but I have never (and I do mean NEVER) changed my name on any political board.

I am Luckyone and have been Luckyone for 8 years on all message boards. No other nick ever made.

 

[marvin martian]

Trump and Musk are getting rid of the FBI, the CIA and the entire Federal Department.

They have sent all the employees of these departments notices of dismissal. Many of these employees have worked there for their entire lives and are now facing unemployment.


Trump administration offers federal workers a buyout to

CIA offers buyouts to workforce as Trump administration ...

Trump, Musk officials move against USAID. 'We're shutting ...​

Economic growth will slow and unemployment rise, CBO ...​

Trump has not offered or shown how he is going to replace these agencies that are the backbone of the United States. These agencies represent the heart and circulation of our country. Without them, the country will not have safety or insurance against injustice, attacks from enemies (inner or outer) or ability to function in supplying people with their needs.

This is his answer this question:


To me, this is an act of destroying everything that has been Democratically built over the past 248 years (based on the Constitution) and replacing it with a dictator-like government where only 1 person (Trump) makes decisions. All of this has been done with executive orders (from Trump and Musk). Congress has not been involved in these decisions.

Are you looking for a dictatorship...........you have one now. If you are desiring a continuation of the Democracy we have had for 248 years..............you have now lost it.

Of course, if you want Democracy to continue and are against what Trump is doing............you are suffering from TDS. In other words, if you are for having a Democratic Republic you must be a druggie.

You and CNN are making shit up again.

Are you off your meds?

 

[Billiejeens]

Thanks for all the information given BUT the fact remains that this HAS HAPPENED:

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Trump administration announced Tuesday that it is offering buyouts to all federal employees who opt to leave their jobs by next week — an unprecedented move to shrink the U.S. government at breakneck speed.

If they all take him up on it, there won't be a Federal Administration. This is fact.

Everything else you sent are assumptions and nothing else.

This is like when Trump did this:



Nonetheless and in that situation, Trump did not get rid of Obama health care, meaning that Americans still had insurance for Health care. In this instance, he is still promising a plan to replace the current Federal administration but he has not left the option that if he doesn't come up with a plan, we will have no Federal administration if all Federal employees take him up on his offer (already sent, so it is a fact) or are fired by September 15th. In simple words, as it is right now, Americans will lose what they get from the Federal government and have nothing to replace it.

It is nice that you "believe" this pathological liar but facts are against you. Trump only kept 25% of his promises in the 1st administration and not only is he a proven pathological liar but is also a proven incompetent man.

And yet, he had a spectacular Presidency

Which will end up being dwarfed by this one.

 

[Billiejeens]

You and CNN are making shit up again.

Are you off your meds?

The administration is offering a similar deferred resignation program that other Federal employees were offered.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Nation shrugs.....meh.....as godzilla eats dc.

 

[Luckyone]

He is what we call a cad and a bounder .

A few weekends in the public stocks, being pelted with rotten fruit seems absolutely in order .

Apparently he put me on Ignore for calling him Mucky Bum.
Perhaps it should have been Mucky Tongue .

I know, I know, and once more I know that Trump supporters are such believers in him that anyone to says anything against him is either on TDS or deserving of being called any degrading, debasing, or insulting thing that can be found.

I mean, who is his right mind can be against the best president ever, the best bully ever to be seen, the most truthful person known. Trump is going to make MAGA and if you are not for him doing that, you are a traitor to this country, right?

This scenario is not about facts, data, statistics, reality, or truth. This is about beliefs. We know, we feel, we are 100% sure that Trump wants the best for this country and for each one of us. He is an empathic, caring, and driven-for-success person that only cares about the U.S.

If you are not in this group, you are an atheist to the true God

I apologize to all of you. I am now a believer. I have left my intelligence and knowledge behind and have decided to kneel to Trump and let him shoot me if he wants to

 

[konradv]

Of course they are. It’s almost as if they can’t wait to prove there indeed is an unaccountable beaurocratic deep state.

Musk and DOGE are the unaccountable players in this scenario.

 

[Rogue AI]

Paying for friends is a better option than not paying and having an enemy or having someone that wishes you ill because you did not help them when they needed your help.

Is saving money more important that feeling/being safe?

Enemies? If they can't even support themselves they are no threat to us. Try harder.

 

[marvin martian]

The administration is offering a similar deferred resignation program that other Federal employees were offered.

Exactly. No one is getting rid of "the entire federal department" (whatever that's supposed to mean) like our paranoid friend Luckyone is pushing.