beagle9
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And you think he had to be alerted eh ?
Trump allegedly disclosed US submarine secrets to foreign national
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Delldude
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I'd think you'd have to see who was the one who signed off on a waiver of national defense technology.
What high ranking government official has the sole power to sign off on a ND transfer?
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Delldude
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Who said Fang Fang was Feinstein's driver.
They pay you for misinformation?
SAN FRANCISCO (KPIX 5) – New details emerged Wednesday about how a Chinese spy managed to stay by Senator Dianne Feinstein's side for nearly 20 years.
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The column revealed that the Chinese spy was Feinstein's driver who also served as a gofer in her Bay Area office and was a liaison to the Asian-American community.
Details Surface About Sen. Feinstein And The Chinese Spy Who Worked For Her
Mushroom
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But you seem to be missing the point that the transfer you you brought up was not authorized. That was why it was investigated and they were given a heavy fine.
Your attempt at an example if a failure.
Delldude
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The transfer was a result of Clinton giving a waiver for launching a satellite which blew up shortly after launch. Loral issued a report to China thinking they weren't required to consult State, then realized they were required, and notified the proper departments, resulting in an investigation.
However, at least three classified studies have found serious concerns about the
U.S. firms’ assistance to China’s ballistic missile modernization program. A classified report at the Department of Defense’s Defense Technology Security Administration (DTSA) reportedly concluded on May 16, 1997, that Loral and Hughes transferred expertise to China that significantly enhanced the guidance and control systems of its nuclear ballistic missiles and that “United States national security has been harmed.”13 Significantly, the U.S. firms are suspected of helping China in improving quality control and diagnostic techniques that would enable its aerospace engineers to detect problems in guidance systems applicable to missiles. These concerns were first raised in a classified report at the Air Force’s National Air Intelligence Center (NAIC) in March 1997, and supported by the State Department’s Intelligence and Research Bureau (INR).14 Also, analysis by CIA at the time did not find “proliferation concerns.” These reports apparently prompted the Justice Department’s criminal
investigation that began in September 1997.
China: Possible Missile Technology Transfers from U.S. Satellite Export Policy - Actions and Chronology
The bottom line is none of this would have happened if Clinton hadn't given a waiver.
Bill Clinton owns it.
Fort Fun Indiana
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That's actually the beginning of the story.allegedly
end of story
And you know it's true.
Delldude
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Allegedly...............
Allegedly......................Larry Sinclair 'allegedly' snorted cocaine with and allegedly gave Obama a blow job.
You know it's true.........
Fort Fun Indiana
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To be fair, the story was over the moment it was reported. Decent, patriotic Americans just thought, "That figures." and went on with their day.Allegedly...............
Allegedly......................Larry Sinclair 'allegedly' snorted cocaine with and allegedly gave Obama a blow job.
You know it's true.........
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Trump allegedly disclosed US submarine secrets to foreign national
To be fair, the story was over the moment it was reported.Decent, patriotic Americans knew with 100% certainty is was another "drive media hit job on Trump."
Decent, patriotic Americans went on with their day knowing January 20, 2025 is going to be the day Trump is sworn in as President of the USA and
a whole lot of heads are going to roll as well. And I mean roll, as like in a bowling ball down the lanes of life.
OhPleaseJustQuit is ignoring me.
Delldude
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Funny....seemed to resurface after hanky panky at Martha's Vineyard with the cook. Mike wasn't home with Baracky.
Wasn't it Obama who said he dreamed of sucking men off or something like that?
Mushroom
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From your own source.
Do we need to give you a dictionary so you can look up what "allegedly" means?
And for those of us old enough to remember, a former President was accused of attempted rape and sexual assault. But from a great many they could not even say anything about that without insisting it was "allegedly", saying none of it was ever true. Or the rumors he had been having sex with interns in the White House.
Cambridge Dictionary: used when something is said to be true but has not [yet] been proved.
It DOESN'T mean known to be false.
Admiral Rockwell Tory
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It means said, without proof, to have taken place or to have a specified illegal or undesirable quality:
Delldude
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I'd say false until proven true.
That is pure bullshit. Australia is building their own Nuclear fleet of 8 submarines.This ought to get interesting...
Former US president Donald Trump allegedly disclosed classified information on US submarines to Australian packaging mogul Anthony Pratt in April 2021, according to a report published by America’s ABC News.
It’s alleged that Pratt relayed the information to “scores of others” including “more than a dozen foreign officials, several of his own employees, and a handful of journalists”, ABC News reported.
“Pratt told Trump he believed Australia should start buying its submarines from the United States, to which an excited Trump – “leaning” toward Pratt as if to be discreet – then told Pratt two pieces of information about US submarines: the supposed exact number of nuclear warheads they routinely carry, and exactly how close they supposedly can get to a Russian submarine without being detected,” sources told ABC US.
‘It’s on Wikipedia’: Debate flares over Trump’s submarine disclosures to Anthony Pratt
Joe Hockey, who served as Australia’s ambassador to the US while Trump was in office, downplayed the seriousness of the alleged disclosures.www.smh.com.au
The September 2021 announcement of Australia’s transition to nuclear-powered attack submarines (SSNs) under the AUKUS program indicated that ‘at least eight’ would be acquired. More recently, the rhetoric has firmed up to eight, with the program director telling a Senate committee in May that there would be three Virginia-class SSNs and five AUKUS SSNs. Vice Admiral Jonathan Mead implied that this was the full extent of the program and that decisions for what followed would be left for a future government.
A decision to stop at eight overlooks critical strategic, industrial and personnel considerations that determine the number of submarines Australia acquires.
Since the 2009 defence white paper, successive reviews have affirmed the need for 12 submarines supported by a base on each coast providing specialised infrastructure, workshops and a submarine squadron staff. While nuclear propulsion provides much greater mobility, a submarine can only be in one place at a time. Once its position is revealed by counter-detection or its own offensive actions, uncertainty over its location is removed and with that, its deterrent value diminishes for a period. Added to the reality of our geography, a force able to deploy at least two submarines on each coast would require at least 12 SSNs to provide ongoing uncertainty (for an adversary) and, if needed, operational impact.
It takes three to four submarines to guarantee having one available for deployment. The ‘rule of three’ was validated by the Coles review, but that doesn’t include any spare capacity to cope with unexpected defects. The UK and French experiences confirm that four nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarines (SSBNs) are required to sustain one at sea—noting that SSBNs operate in a much lower mechanical and operationally stressed environment than SSNs.
Industrial issues are significant factors in the cost of ownership and effectiveness of the force. Australia intends to build the AUKUS SSNs in Adelaide. That is thoroughly commendable, but we should expect delays and difficulties as we learn how to do it. In all shipbuilding programs, the time and cost of successive vessels reduces as the workforce and processes are optimised. Typically, based on Australian (and global) experience, the third submarine will cost some 40% less than the first, with much smaller reductions anticipated as later submarines are built.
This only works if the building program is continuous. Stop–start shipbuilding is a well-known recipe for prolonged delays and grossly inflated costs, as demonstrated by Britain’s Astute class, which, according to a House of Commons Defence Committee report in early 2010, was already by then 57 months late and 53% over budget.
Once we have mastered the complexities of building SSNs, as I am sure we will, we shouldn’t stop building.
How many nuclear-powered submarines for Australia? | The Strategist
The September 2021 announcement of Australia’s transition to nuclear-powered attack submarines (SSNs) under the AUKUS program indicated that ‘at least eight’ would be acquired. More recently, the rhetoric has firmed up to eight, with the ...
www.aspistrategist.org.au
Trump never did that. Australia is building their own fleet of submarines.
Why didn't the Democrats think to first verify this with Australia?
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Ralph Kramden's words fit Trump perfectly.
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