Trump admits it: We need to be rescued in Iran

[krichton]

Not right next to military targets, well away from them, not literally yards away.
We don't deliberately target girl's schools.

But that's not the only school we bombed. We bombed dozens of other Iranian schools. Were all of those unintentional as well? What about hospitals? We took out nearly 300 of those. Is that what we're doing now? Killing children and then destroying hospitals and killing doctors so the injured can't be helped/saved?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

so attacking countries that had nothing to do with it is defense?

 

[Harry Dresden]

I'm serious and I'm not controlled. No more than any other internet user, and may be much lesser than an average user in the USA, because I use VPN (and other services) and Roskomnadzor have plenty of other job and lesser capabilities to control people than American corporations and government agencies. Not that I'm ready to commit something criminal in public discussion, but short of obvious crimes - I'm absolutely free.

Russians aint no better than any other country.....they all have assholes and good people...

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Russians aint no better than any other country.....they all have assholes and good people...

Ya I wonder how he defends the attack on Ukraine?

 

[Zavulon]

so attacking countries that had nothing to do with it is defense?

They are your allies. They help you in your illegal and unprovoked aggression against them. Read something about what the word "neutrality" means. Neutral countries should intern military personnel from warring nations.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Ya I wonder how he defends the attack on Ukraine?

the Russians are such good people they did it for Ukraines own good...

 

[Zavulon]

Ya I wonder how he defends the attack on Ukraine?

It is pure self-defense. From the formal point of view - Ukraine attacked allies of Russian Federation - Donetsk and Lugansk People Republic, who had a threaty of mutual defence with Russia, and which was equal to attack directly on Russia.
In wider picture - it was result of NATO expansion (which is seen by Russia as an actual threat) and defense of Russian people from genocide commiting by Kievan regime. Russians are human beings and have human rights, including right to freely use their language and practice their faith.

 

[Mr Natural]

This quagmire is a cluskerflick. We should be pulling out and instead we are sending thousands of Johnnys and Joes over there.

Well, at least they’re volunteers and not slaves like we were during the Vietnam fiasco.

 

[Zavulon]

the Russians are such good people they did it for Ukraines own good...

Exactly. It's purification of Ukrainian nation and it's denazification. Like, you know, American North ended slavery in American South for good of all Americans - white and black, from North and South.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Exactly. It's purification of Ukrainian nation and it's denazification. Like, you know, American North ended slavery in American South for good of all Americans - white and black, from North and South.

and yet you put America down for doing the same dam thing...

 

[RetiredGySgt]

It is pure self-defense. From the formal point of view - Ukraine attacked allies of Russian Federation - Donetsk and Lugansk People Republic, who had a threaty of mutual defence with Russia, and which was equal to attack directly on Russia.
In wider picture - it was result of NATO expansion (which is seen by Russia as an actual threat) and defense of Russian people from genocide commiting by Kievan regime. Russians are human beings and have human rights, including right to freely use their language and practice their faith.

ohh so you attacking a Country not attacking you and claim self-defense? Iran directly aids several entities that attack the US so using your logic we were defending ourselves.

 

[Zavulon]

and yet you put America down for doing the same dam thing...

You are not doing the same thing. Iran didn't commit genocide of Americans, and it were your proxies who attacked it first. Iran is defending their own land (and land of their allies) and their own right to safety, including energy safety and their NPT-given right to freely use nuclear energy for civilian needs. Iran acted according NPT. And you attacked them because they were following rules. Highly likely by those actions you just destroyed NPT and in few years there will be more nuclear states (and less safety for everyone). It was not just criminal, it was stupid.

 

[Harry Dresden]

You are not doing the same thing. Iran didn't commited genocide of Americans, and it were your proxies who attacked it first. Iran is defending their own land (and land of their allies) and their own right to safety, including energy safety and their NPT-given right to freely use nuclear energy for civilian needs. Iran acted according NPT. And you attacked them because they were following rules. Highly likely by those actions you just destroyed NPT and in few years there will be more nuclear states (and less safety for everyone). It was not just criminal, it was stupid.

America and Russia have attacked other countries over the years for the same dam reason....because they felt it was in their best interest to do so...

 

[Zavulon]

ohh so you attacking a Country not attacking you and claim self-defense?

They were attacking Russians, and Russians have right to defend themselves. In the legal terms they attacked DPR and LPR (recognised by Russian Federation and having mutual defence treaty), and that's why Russiam Special Military Operation was started.

Iran directly aids several entities that attack the US so using your logic we were defending ourselves.

You didn't started this operation because of Iran's support of Hezbollah (or any other group). Especially given that Hezbollah and other groups are defending their own land from your proxies whi came on their land and committed numerous acts of aggression. From your declared goals, it's clear, that you attacked them because they realised their legal right (given by NPT) for their civilian nuclear program. You had attacked them exactly because they were following rules and didn't violate the Threaty.

 

[braalian]

we should withdraw from NATO and end our protection for Europe and stop all funds for Ukraine as well.

Did we jump to the UK’s aid during the Falklands War?

How about to France’s aid during the Algerian War?

What about the Suez Crisis?

The current conflict with Iran is outside the scope of the NATO alliance, and we pick and choose when to join in on stuff based on politics every bit as much as anyone else

 

[Zavulon]

America and Russia have attacked other countries over the years for the same dam reason....because they felt it was in their best interest to do so...

But there is the difference. Holy Russia always stay above not only obvious crimes like American illegal and unprovoked aggressions, but also above the gray zones of uncertainty.

 

[krichton]

It is pure self-defense. From the formal point of view - Ukraine attacked allies of Russian Federation - Donetsk and Lugansk People Republic, who had a threaty of mutual defence with Russia, and which was equal to attack directly on Russia.
In wider picture - it was result of NATO expansion (which is seen by Russia as an actual threat) and defense of Russian people from genocide commiting by Kievan regime. Russians are human beings and have human rights, including right to freely use their language and practice their faith.

Putin was asked about whether he invaded Ukraine because of NATO expansion and he categorically denied it and considered it an unserious question, then he went on to describe how Russia had a historical claim to Ukraine for 30 min

 

[braalian]

It is pure self-defense. From the formal point of view - Ukraine attacked allies of Russian Federation - Donetsk and Lugansk People Republic, who had a threaty of mutual defence with Russia, and which was equal to attack directly on Russia.
In wider picture - it was result of NATO expansion (which is seen by Russia as an actual threat) and defense of Russian people from genocide commiting by Kievan regime. Russians are human beings and have human rights, including right to freely use their language and practice their faith.

As sovereign nations, every single former Warsaw Pact nation and every single former Soviet republic 100% has the right to join whatever alliance they want

 

[Roudy]

IRGC do just like Hamas and hide behind civilians, dude.
Bunkers under hospitals and all. They hide in schools, too.

Islamism knows no borders, respect for human life or patriotism. The IRGC like Hamas don’t give a Shiite about the lives of their people, which is why they butchered over 50,000 Iranians in two days just for protesting.

 

[Zavulon]

As sovereign nations, every single former Warsaw Pact nation and every single former Soviet republic 100% has the right to join whatever alliance they want

Of course they have. As well as Cuba had right to make alliance with Soviet Union and deploy Russian missiles. Or Venezuela had right to make alliance with Cuba and give them oil for free. Everything is allowed but not everything is useful. And the USA had right to decide if they want to expand NATO eastward and eventually had a war with Russia, or they want to stay there they are and enjoy good relationships with Russia.
They decided that Poland in NATO is more useful for the USA, than good relationships with Russia. That was a fatal mistake.