Not necessarily. If you have a bloated government, and we do, 1/6 is still doable.
Trump administration plans to cut over 80,000 employees from Veterans Affairs
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VA healthcare routinely ranks higher than most other large-scale healthcare operations around the country.
It's usually the pencil-pushers who get in the way of skilled clinicians caring for our oh-so-deserving veterans.
It is my soft-and-fuzzy understanding that the VA did a lot of COVID hiring but had no exit plan once that crisis had passed.
It's my initial guess that doctors and nurses and med-techs aren't at-risk, rather, it's the pencil-pushers who are in trouble.
There is considerable waste and bloat within the agency - including incompetent handling of various large-scale projects.
It's also a good guess that large numbers of middle-managers currently have targets painted on their chests as well.
If I recall this correctly, the VA hosts the largest non-DoD (civilian) healthcare system in the country.
And care is going to vary from one of the 160+ VA hospitals and 1500+ community clinics to another...
There are, indeed, some "stinker" hospital campuses and community clinics and individual clinicians...
But, for the most part, veterans who have been receiving VA healthcare want to CONTINUE receiving VA healthcare...
VA healthcare facilities are something of a "safe space" or "comfortable space" for vast numbers of our veteran population...
And, as I recall, the VA is the largest non-DoD (civilian) agency in the Federal government...
DOGE is going to have their hands full with that agency... vastly more sizable and complex and critical than most of the others...
And God help the President or any of his minions if veteran care is impacted substantively and broadly due to DOGE activity...
No... the VA could USE a damned-good looking-over for waste, fraud and abuse, but... they'll need to be careful with that one...
IMHO.
Couchpotato
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If the agency is overstaffed by 1/5 cutting 1/6th shouldn't affect services. You're going in with the assumption that the agency is efficiently using it's manpower now, which is a terrible assumption about a government entity.
BluesLegend
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The VA employs over 482,000 people. Judging by all the trans/rainbow propaganda displays in the VA hospitals I'd say there's some PORK to cut.
SassyIrishLass
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You're delusional
How so? Serious question.
Dogmaphobe
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Thinking is not his strong suit.
BluesLegend
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VA healthcare varies greatly depending on the area of the country. In Dem blue states it's just a bunch of lazy Dem lard asses who show up for the paycheck and provide shit care.
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No, but those 80,000 losing their jobs means they don't purchase things which means others also lose their jobs.
elektra
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It don't mean that at all. They get far unemployment checks.
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Trump stated that VA Health Care and Compensation Programs will be safe. I served in Northern I Corps Vietnam as Infantry Fire Team Leader with the 3rd Marine Division
pknopp
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Which doesn't replace their full income.
Couchpotato
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I dont think you guys really grasp how this works.
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Veterans are always being dumped on despite all the bullshit how everyone cares for them. They are the first to get cut from jobs; their health care is abysmal and their benefits are garbage. Give them a break and a job in the federal government and MAGAs cheer when they are fired and their meager benefits cut. They just can't catch a break.
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Seems you are unable to explain it.
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There are 10 Million fewer veterans today than when I first started going to the VA in the year 2000.
26 Million vs 16 Million. But the VA employs 200,000 (Two Hundred Thousand) more people.
Granted, service has improved but then.... It couldn't have gotten much worse than it was.
The VA is like every other goobermint entity..... They exist to serve themselves.
The Doctors, the Techs, the Nurses, Pharmacists, etc are about as good as it gets. And they need more because.... They need to pay them more. That is fact. It's hard to get Doctors to hire on. Unless they're foreing doctors educated somewhere else. My Doctor was educated in communist Poland.
It's the rest of it that sucks. They just -- Well, they get in the way. They make work, they over-complicate things.
An example -- Down here, in Florida, we have huge population shifts depending the time of year. Where I live, our population goes from about 750k to over 1-1/2 Million in Season.
There are many, many MANY retired Doctors down here that would absolutely LOVE to contribute to the Health of Veterans. They see at as a civic duty, giving back, a source of pride.
But the VA makes it goddam near impossible for them to do it. The process is so involved, so intrusive... I'm talking world-class surgeons, some of the best in the world. And the VA all but tells them to go away.
The Doctors, etc, are pretty good. They care as much as any private doctor. It's the rest of it that sucks.
I smell 'Union'. Public Sectors should not just be done away with, they should be illegal to even talk about.
26 Million vs 16 Million. But the VA employs 200,000 (Two Hundred Thousand) more people.
Granted, service has improved but then.... It couldn't have gotten much worse than it was.
The VA is like every other goobermint entity..... They exist to serve themselves.
The Doctors, the Techs, the Nurses, Pharmacists, etc are about as good as it gets. And they need more because.... They need to pay them more. That is fact. It's hard to get Doctors to hire on. Unless they're foreing doctors educated somewhere else. My Doctor was educated in communist Poland.
It's the rest of it that sucks. They just -- Well, they get in the way. They make work, they over-complicate things.
An example -- Down here, in Florida, we have huge population shifts depending the time of year. Where I live, our population goes from about 750k to over 1-1/2 Million in Season.
There are many, many MANY retired Doctors down here that would absolutely LOVE to contribute to the Health of Veterans. They see at as a civic duty, giving back, a source of pride.
But the VA makes it goddam near impossible for them to do it. The process is so involved, so intrusive... I'm talking world-class surgeons, some of the best in the world. And the VA all but tells them to go away.
The Doctors, etc, are pretty good. They care as much as any private doctor. It's the rest of it that sucks.
I smell 'Union'. Public Sectors should not just be done away with, they should be illegal to even talk about.
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Circumcision Principle:
There is nothing that won’t benefit from a bit of trimming.
Edgetho
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I Corps was a meat grinder. I was in II Corps. Not much better.
But I believe Trump. I think he just wants to trim the fat. Most of those people just get in the way and I'm not sure, is he going to take jobs away or is he just going to use attrition and slow hiring?
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Truth can be such a ***** for the liberals, RW
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