I view it as both.
Your BOR makes it a right...
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I view it as both.
I made my 'qualms' clear, also the exceptions that I noted. Problem with that is, that laws aren't specific like that. So it's a quandry.
so...if ten students at V Tech were armed with concealed weapons, we think that might have made the campus safer? What about if there were five thousand students armed with concealed weapons..... do we really think that would be even better? Friday night keggers at the frat house....everybody half in the bag and everyone packing. that sounds like no place I would want to send MY daughter. You cannot just arm ten or twenty of them.... who gets to chose? and if you allow any "law abiding student" to carry a concealed weapon, at some point, you will have a shitload of concealed weapons in the hands of college kids..... would you send YOUR child to such a school? Do you think they would be safer than at a campus where student possession of firearms on campus was NOT allowed?
Gunman kills 32 at Virginia Tech before being killed
http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/343354,vatech041607.article
April 16, 2007
BY MICHAEL SNEED Sun-Times Columnist
Authorities were investigating whether the gunman who killed 32 people on the Virginia Tech campus in the deadliest shooting rampage in U.S. history was a Chinese man who arrived in the United States last year on a student visa.
The 24-year-old man arrived in San Francisco on United Airlines on Aug. 7 on a visa issued in Shanghai, the source said. Investigators have not linked him to any terrorist groups, the source said.
Police believe three bomb threats on the campus last week may have been attempts by the man to test the campus' security response, the source said.
The exits to the buildings where the shootings occurred were chained by the shooter, the source said.
Students complained that there were no public address announcements or other warnings on campus after the first burst of gunfire. They said the first word they received from the university was an e-mail more than two hours into the rampage - around the time the gunman struck again.
Virginia Tech President Charles Steger said authorities believed the shooting at the dorm was a domestic dispute and mistakenly thought the gunman had fled the campus.
"We had no reason to suspect any other incident was going to occur," he said.
He defended the university’s handling of the tragedy: "We can only make decisions based on the information you had on the time. You don't have hours to reflect on it."
Steger said the university decided to rely on e-mail and other electronic means of notifying members of the university, but with 11,000 people driving onto campus first thing in the morning, it was difficult to get the word out to everyone.
Virginia Tech Police Chief Wendell Flinchum would not say how many weapons the gunman carried. But a law enforcement official, speaking on condition of anonymity because the investigation was incomplete, said that the gunman had two pistols and multiple clips of ammunition.
This is interesting...
The authorities have said they are pretty sure they know who the killer is, I guess they're waiting to make absolutely sure before announcing it. Now, if the above story is true, you have to wonder how the hell he got the guns. WTF? Can a person who is not a citizen just go out and buy a gun? I'd like to think not.
so...if ten students at V Tech were armed with concealed weapons, we think that might have made the campus safer? What about if there were five thousand students armed with concealed weapons..... do we really think that would be even better? Friday night keggers at the frat house....everybody half in the bag and everyone packing. that sounds like no place I would want to send MY daughter. You cannot just arm ten or twenty of them.... who gets to chose? and if you allow any "law abiding student" to carry a concealed weapon, at some point, you will have a shitload of concealed weapons in the hands of college kids..... would you send YOUR child to such a school? Do you think they would be safer than at a campus where student possession of firearms on campus was NOT allowed?
2) "what are we going to do about it." If you're of the #2 mindset, then this is will become a poltical issue, like it or not.
How many people would have died if the gunman would have encountered a well trained gunhandler in the first classroom!
A) 0
B) 0
c) 0
D) 1, the gunman
so Kathianne.... you are OK with students carrying concealed weapons in school?
so...if ten students at V Tech were armed with concealed weapons, we think that might have made the campus safer? What about if there were five thousand students armed with concealed weapons..... do we really think that would be even better? Friday night keggers at the frat house....everybody half in the bag and everyone packing. that sounds like no place I would want to send MY daughter. You cannot just arm ten or twenty of them.... who gets to chose? and if you allow any "law abiding student" to carry a concealed weapon, at some point, you will have a shitload of concealed weapons in the hands of college kids..... would you send YOUR child to such a school? Do you think they would be safer than at a campus where student possession of firearms on campus was NOT allowed?
Color me cold - but there is absolutely nothing we can do to prevent random individuals who are intent on commiting violent acts. There is no such thing as perfect security - even if one makes every concession to liberty in order to live in a police state.
All we can do is to mourn and offer condolences to the victims and their families.
EDIT: On second thought, we could actually make conceal carry permits more readily available. One person with a weapon could have taken the shooter out before he killed many of the victims.
I was simply relaying the President's thoughts as stated by his spokeswoman. His first thought was political... how's that my fault?
so Kathianne.... you are OK with students carrying concealed weapons in school?
so...if ten students at V Tech were armed with concealed weapons, we think that might have made the campus safer? What about if there were five thousand students armed with concealed weapons..... do we really think that would be even better? Friday night keggers at the frat house....everybody half in the bag and everyone packing. that sounds like no place I would want to send MY daughter. You cannot just arm ten or twenty of them.... who gets to chose? and if you allow any "law abiding student" to carry a concealed weapon, at some point, you will have a shitload of concealed weapons in the hands of college kids..... would you send YOUR child to such a school? Do you think they would be safer than at a campus where student possession of firearms on campus was NOT allowed?
The President was responding to people already using the event to take away our second amendment rights.
How many people would have died if the gunman would have encountered a well trained gunhandler in the first classroom!
A) 0
B) 0
c) 0
D) 1, the gunman