tinmore hows the recovery going?

[JStone]

tinmore an oportunity for growth and understanding.
I will go 1st. some buildings israel has destroyed had no weapons or terrorists hideing in them.
now your turn can you admitt some buildings did have weapons or terrorists in them?
Think about it befor you answer. In all the years that this has been going on can you honestly say that has never happend.

Hard to say. Israel destroys everything just so the Palestinian won't have it. If they do hit on weapons it is a matter of luck.

Pallies are a peace-loving people.

Pulitzer Prize-Winning Writer George Will...

In the intifada that began in 2000, Palestinian terrorism killed more than 1,000 Israelis. As a portion of U.S. population, that would be 42,000, approaching the toll of America's eight years in Vietnam. During the onslaught, which began 10 Septembers ago, Israeli parents sending two children to a school would put them on separate buses to decrease the chance that neither would return for dinner

The intifada was launched by the late Yasser Arafat -- terrorist and Nobel Peace Prize winner -- after the July 2000 Camp David meeting, during which then-Prime Minister Ehud Barak offered to cede control of all of Gaza and more than 90 percent of the West Bank, with small swaps of land to accommodate the growth of Jerusalem suburbs just across the 1949 armistice line.

Furthermore, the intifada was part of a pattern. As in 1936 and 1947, talk about partition prompted Arab violence.
In 1936, when the British administered Palestine, the Peel Commission concluded that there was "an irrepressible conflict" -- a phrase coined by an American historian to describe the U.S. Civil War -- "between two national communities within the narrow bounds of one small country." And: "Neither of the two national ideals permits" a combination "in the service of a single state." The commission recommended "a surgical operation" -- partition. What followed was the Arab Revolt of 1936 to 1939.

On Nov. 29, 1947, the United Nations recommended a partition plan. Israel accepted the recommendation. On Nov. 30, Israel was attacked.

In the 62 years since this homeland was founded on one-sixth of 1 percent of the land of what is carelessly and inaccurately called "the Arab world," Israelis have never known an hour of real peace.

George F. Will - Skip the lecture on Israel's 'risks for peace'

 

[JStone]

tinmore an oportunity for growth and understanding.
I will go 1st. some buildings israel has destroyed had no weapons or terrorists hideing in them.
now your turn can you admitt some buildings did have weapons or terrorists in them?
Think about it befor you answer. In all the years that this has been going on can you honestly say that has never happend.

Hard to say. Israel destroys everything just so the Palestinian won't have it. If they do hit on weapons it is a matter of luck.

Who destroys? Ah, yes...

Hamas Constitution...

Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it. Allah is its target, the Prophet is its model, the Koran its Constitution: Jihad is its path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes.

The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).

Dr. Wafa Sultan, Time magazine: Among the 100 men and women whose power, talent or moral example is transforming our world

All the useful scientific books that you have today are theirs [the Jews] the fruit of their free and creative thinking. The Jews have come from the tragedy of the Holocaust and forced the world to respect them with their knowledge not with their terror, with their work not their crying and yelling.

Humanity owes most of the discoveries and science of the 19th and 20th centuries to Jewish scientists. 15 million people scattered throughout the world united and won their rights through work and knowledge.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLOicfZ_bAI]Arabs for Israel - Muslims for Israel - Wafa Sultan - YouTube[/ame]

 

[P F Tinmore]

tinmore an oportunity for growth and understanding.
I will go 1st. some buildings israel has destroyed had no weapons or terrorists hideing in them.
now your turn can you admitt some buildings did have weapons or terrorists in them?
Think about it befor you answer. In all the years that this has been going on can you honestly say that has never happend.

Hard to say. Israel destroys everything just so the Palestinian won't have it. If they do hit on weapons it is a matter of luck.

Pallies are a peace-loving people.

Pulitzer Prize-Winning Writer George Will...

In the intifada that began in 2000, Palestinian terrorism killed more than 1,000 Israelis. As a portion of U.S. population, that would be 42,000, approaching the toll of America's eight years in Vietnam. During the onslaught, which began 10 Septembers ago, Israeli parents sending two children to a school would put them on separate buses to decrease the chance that neither would return for dinner

The intifada was launched by the late Yasser Arafat -- terrorist and Nobel Peace Prize winner -- after the July 2000 Camp David meeting, during which then-Prime Minister Ehud Barak offered to cede control of all of Gaza and more than 90 percent of the West Bank, with small swaps of land to accommodate the growth of Jerusalem suburbs just across the 1949 armistice line.

Furthermore, the intifada was part of a pattern. As in 1936 and 1947, talk about partition prompted Arab violence.
In 1936, when the British administered Palestine, the Peel Commission concluded that there was "an irrepressible conflict" -- a phrase coined by an American historian to describe the U.S. Civil War -- "between two national communities within the narrow bounds of one small country." And: "Neither of the two national ideals permits" a combination "in the service of a single state." The commission recommended "a surgical operation" -- partition. What followed was the Arab Revolt of 1936 to 1939.

On Nov. 29, 1947, the United Nations recommended a partition plan. Israel accepted the recommendation. On Nov. 30, Israel was attacked.

In the 62 years since this homeland was founded on one-sixth of 1 percent of the land of what is carelessly and inaccurately called "the Arab world," Israelis have never known an hour of real peace.

George F. Will - Skip the lecture on Israel's 'risks for peace'

In the intifada that began in 2000, Palestinian terrorism killed more than 1,000 Israelis.

Did that propagandist quack mention how many Palestinians were killed?

Of course not.

 

[destroythedome]

tinmore an oportunity for growth and understanding.
I will go 1st. some buildings israel has destroyed had no weapons or terrorists hideing in them.
now your turn can you admitt some buildings did have weapons or terrorists in them?
Think about it befor you answer. In all the years that this has been going on can you honestly say that has never happend.

Hard to say. Israel destroys everything just so the Palestinian won't have it. If they do hit on weapons it is a matter of luck.

so are you saying yes it has happened atleast once. please answer yes or no.

 

[P F Tinmore]

tinmore an oportunity for growth and understanding.
I will go 1st. some buildings israel has destroyed had no weapons or terrorists hideing in them.
now your turn can you admitt some buildings did have weapons or terrorists in them?
Think about it befor you answer. In all the years that this has been going on can you honestly say that has never happend.

Hard to say. Israel destroys everything just so the Palestinian won't have it. If they do hit on weapons it is a matter of luck.

so are you saying yes it has happened atleast once. please answer yes or no. This is important I am looking for a represenetive of palestine I can trust to have honest talks with to get a better understanding of palestine views. it is important I trust that person.

Don't know for sure. The Palestinians say no. Israel says yes. Israel lies too much to believe what they say and there is no evidence to back up what they say.

 

[JStone]

Hard to say. Israel destroys everything just so the Palestinian won't have it. If they do hit on weapons it is a matter of luck.

so are you saying yes it has happened atleast once. please answer yes or no. This is important I am looking for a represenetive of palestine I can trust to have honest talks with to get a better understanding of palestine views. it is important I trust that person.

Don't know for sure. The Palestinians say no. Israel says yes. Israel lies too much to believe what they say and there is no evidence to back up what they say.

Palestinians are wonderful people

My message to the loathed Jews is that there is no god but allah, we will chase you everywhere We are a nation that drinks blood, and we know that there is no better blood than the blood of the Jews. We will not leave you alone until we have quenched our thirst with your blood, and our children's thirst with your blood, we will not rest until you leave the Muslim countries.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rleFpY402vM]Palestinian - Terrorism - YouTube[/ame]

 

[JStone]

Hard to say. Israel destroys everything just so the Palestinian won't have it. If they do hit on weapons it is a matter of luck.

so are you saying yes it has happened atleast once. please answer yes or no. This is important I am looking for a represenetive of palestine I can trust to have honest talks with to get a better understanding of palestine views. it is important I trust that person.

Don't know for sure. The Palestinians say no. Israel says yes. Israel lies too much to believe what they say and there is no evidence to back up what they say.

Palestinians are wonderful parents, too

"We Desire Death Like You Desire Life"
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWIDZ7Jpdqg]Hamas - "We desire death like you desire life" - YouTube[/ame]

 

[destroythedome]

Hard to say. Israel destroys everything just so the Palestinian won't have it. If they do hit on weapons it is a matter of luck.

so are you saying yes it has happened atleast once. please answer yes or no. This is important I am looking for a represenetive of palestine I can trust to have honest talks with to get a better understanding of palestine views. it is important I trust that person.

Don't know for sure. The Palestinians say no. Israel says yes. Israel lies too much to believe what they say and there is no evidence to back up what they say.

Can you admit Hamas lies?

 

[JStone]

so are you saying yes it has happened atleast once. please answer yes or no. This is important I am looking for a represenetive of palestine I can trust to have honest talks with to get a better understanding of palestine views. it is important I trust that person.

Don't know for sure. The Palestinians say no. Israel says yes. Israel lies too much to believe what they say and there is no evidence to back up what they say.

ok one last try different queshtion. I admit the Israelis government has on occasion lied the US. gvernment ocaisionaly lies.
Can you admit Hamas ocasionaly lies?

Hamas occassionally lies? Are you insane or just stupid?

Hamas Constitution

Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it

The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).

Allah is its target, the Prophet is its model, the Koran its constitution: Jihad is its path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes.

The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. Neither a single Arab country nor all Arab countries, neither any king or president, nor all the kings and presidents, neither any organization nor all of them, be they Palestinian or Arab, possess the right to do that. Palestine is an Islamic Waqf land consecrated for Moslem generations until Judgement Day. This being so, who could claim to have the right to represent Moslem generations till Judgement Day?

This is the law governing the land of Palestine in the Islamic Sharia (law) and the same goes for any land the Moslems have conquered by force, because during the times of (Islamic) conquests, the Moslems consecrated these lands to Moslem generations till the Day of Judgement.

Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement. Abusing any part of Palestine is abuse directed against part of religion. Nationalism of the Islamic Resistance Movement is part of its religion. Its members have been fed on that. For the sake of hoisting the banner of Allah over their homeland they fight. "Allah will be prominent, but most people do not know."

There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors.

It is necessary to instill in the minds of the Moslem generations that the Palestinian problem is a religious problem, and should be dealt with on this basis. Palestine contains Islamic holy sites. In it there is al- Aqsa Mosque which is bound to the great Mosque in Mecca in an inseparable bond as long as heaven and earth speak of Isra` (Mohammed's midnight journey to the seven heavens) and Mi'raj (Mohammed's ascension to the seven heavens from Jerusalem).

The bond of one day for the sake of Allah is better than the world and whatever there is on it. The place of one's whip in Paradise is far better than the world and whatever there is on it. A worshipper's going and coming in the service of Allah is better than the world and whatever there is on it." (As related by al-Bukhari, Moslem, al-Tarmdhi and Ibn Maja).

"I swear by the holder of Mohammed's soul that I would like to invade and be killed for the sake of Allah, then invade and be killed, and then invade again and be killed." (As related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).

The Avalon Project : Hamas Covenant 1988

 

[JStone]

so are you saying yes it has happened atleast once. please answer yes or no. This is important I am looking for a represenetive of palestine I can trust to have honest talks with to get a better understanding of palestine vie

ws. it is important I trust that person.

Don't know for sure. The Palestinians say no. Israel says yes. Israel lies too much to believe what they say and there is no evidence to back up what they say.

ok one last try different queshtion. I admit the Israelis government has on occasion lied the US. gvernment ocaisionaly lies.
Can you admit Hamas ocasionaly lies?

Yes, Hamas lies and also infiltrates hospitals and threatens doctors
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeymPZifhsk]WIDE ANGLE | Gaza E.R. | Excerpt | PBS - YouTube[/ame]

 

[destroythedome]

Don't know for sure. The Palestinians say no. Israel says yes. Israel lies too much to believe what they say and there is no evidence to back up what they say.

ok one last try different queshtion. I admit the Israelis government has on occasion lied the US. gvernment ocaisionaly lies.
Can you admit Hamas ocasionaly lies?

Hamas occassionally lies? Are you insane or just stupid?

Hamas Constitution

Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it

The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).

Allah is its target, the Prophet is its model, the Koran its constitution: Jihad is its path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes.

The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. Neither a single Arab country nor all Arab countries, neither any king or president, nor all the kings and presidents, neither any organization nor all of them, be they Palestinian or Arab, possess the right to do that. Palestine is an Islamic Waqf land consecrated for Moslem generations until Judgement Day. This being so, who could claim to have the right to represent Moslem generations till Judgement Day?

This is the law governing the land of Palestine in the Islamic Sharia (law) and the same goes for any land the Moslems have conquered by force, because during the times of (Islamic) conquests, the Moslems consecrated these lands to Moslem generations till the Day of Judgement.

Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement. Abusing any part of Palestine is abuse directed against part of religion. Nationalism of the Islamic Resistance Movement is part of its religion. Its members have been fed on that. For the sake of hoisting the banner of Allah over their homeland they fight. "Allah will be prominent, but most people do not know."

There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors.

It is necessary to instill in the minds of the Moslem generations that the Palestinian problem is a religious problem, and should be dealt with on this basis. Palestine contains Islamic holy sites. In it there is al- Aqsa Mosque which is bound to the great Mosque in Mecca in an inseparable bond as long as heaven and earth speak of Isra` (Mohammed's midnight journey to the seven heavens) and Mi'raj (Mohammed's ascension to the seven heavens from Jerusalem).

The bond of one day for the sake of Allah is better than the world and whatever there is on it. The place of one's whip in Paradise is far better than the world and whatever there is on it. A worshipper's going and coming in the service of Allah is better than the world and whatever there is on it." (As related by al-Bukhari, Moslem, al-Tarmdhi and Ibn Maja).

"I swear by the holder of Mohammed's soul that I would like to invade and be killed for the sake of Allah, then invade and be killed, and then invade again and be killed." (As related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).

The Avalon Project : Hamas Covenant 1988

you know that and I know that. I am just trying to find one palestinian willing to to tell the truth about something. as it sits now I cant trust anything any of them say. Maybe one honest answer can start to add weight to their views.

 

[P F Tinmore]

so are you saying yes it has happened atleast once. please answer yes or no. This is important I am looking for a represenetive of palestine I can trust to have honest talks with to get a better understanding of palestine views. it is important I trust that person.

Don't know for sure. The Palestinians say no. Israel says yes. Israel lies too much to believe what they say and there is no evidence to back up what they say.

ok one last try different queshtion. I admit the Israelis government has on occasion lied the US. gvernment ocaisionaly lies.
Can you admit Hamas ocasionaly lies?

Even Israel admits that Hamas is disgustingly honest. Have you ever known them to lie?

 

[JStone]

Don't know for sure. The Palestinians say no. Israel says yes. Israel lies too much to believe what they say and there is no evidence to back up what they say.

ok one last try different queshtion. I admit the Israelis government has on occasion lied the US. gvernment ocaisionaly lies.
Can you admit Hamas ocasionaly lies?

Even Israel admits that Hamas is disgustingly honest. Have you ever known them to lie?

Hamas very good people.

Hamas Bans Gaza Students Studying Abroad

Gaza's militant Hamas rulers have banned eight teenage students with scholarships to study in the U.S. from leaving the territory, a Palestinian rights group said Wednesday.

The move appeared to be part of an intensified Hamas campaign against independent groups that they view as a challenge to their rule and against activities that believe promote a Western lifestyle.

The Palestinian Center for Human Rights said the eight students were granted AMIDEAST scholarships, a program that educates talented teenagers from the Middle East and North Africa for a year in the U.S. At the end of the year, students return to their home countries to finish their education. The students were granted scholarships based on their academic achievements.

In a statement, the rights group said Hamas' education minister rejected a travel request by the teenager's parents for "social and cultural reasons." It also accused Hamas of breaching the parents' right to educate their children as they choose.

Hamas would not confirm the order, much as it has in the past with similar orders travel bans on Gaza residents.

But the parents of 15-year-old Aboud Alshatari said their son was traveling to the border Wednesday when Hamas police turned him away, saying the Education Ministry refused to let him leave Gaza. Alshatari was slated to attend school in North Carolina.

The ban comes a day after a network of aid groups in Gaza criticized Hamas for forcing aid workers and employees of civil society groups to register with them before traveling for work outside the Gaza Strip. And last week, Hamas shut down the U.S.-financed International Medical Corps after it refused to submit to a Hamas audit.

The Iranian-backed Hamas overran Gaza from the secular Palestinian Fatah party in bloody street battles in 2007. Since then, Hamas has slowly imposed its radical interpretation of Islam on residents of the Gaza Strip — a world view that is even more stern than what traditionally religious conservative Gazan's follow.

Other Hamas crackdowns include trying to ban male barbers from cutting women's hair and forbidding women from smoking in public and outlawing scantly clad female mannequins.

Hamas Bans Gaza Students Studying Abroad - ABC News

 

[destroythedome]

Don't know for sure. The Palestinians say no. Israel says yes. Israel lies too much to believe what they say and there is no evidence to back up what they say.

ok one last try different queshtion. I admit the Israelis government has on occasion lied the US. gvernment ocaisionaly lies.
Can you admit Hamas ocasionaly lies?

Even Israel admits that Hamas is disgustingly honest. Have you ever known them to lie?

sorry tinmore you are so full of shit I could never believe a word you say anymore. tinmore absolutely no honor no honesty . you are just another lieing no good palestinian terrorist.

 

[JStone]

Don't know for sure. The Palestinians say no. Israel says yes. Israel lies too much to believe what they say and there is no evidence to back up what they say.

ok one last try different queshtion. I admit the Israelis government has on occasion lied the US. gvernment ocaisionaly lies.
Can you admit Hamas ocasionaly lies?

Even Israel admits that Hamas is disgustingly honest. Have you ever known them to lie?

Hamas very good at keeping truces.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XEXsbTLfXE]Egypt Blames Hamas for War - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1t-vLU3d2w]Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) blames Hamas for bloodshed. Dec. 28, 2008 - YouTube[/ame]

 

[JStone]

Don't know for sure. The Palestinians say no. Israel says yes. Israel lies too much to believe what they say and there is no evidence to back up what they say.

ok one last try different queshtion. I admit the Israelis government has on occasion lied the US. gvernment ocaisionaly lies.
Can you admit Hamas ocasionaly lies?

Even Israel admits that Hamas is disgustingly honest. Have you ever known them to lie?

Hamas is honest about killing their own people
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWPL5V5G528]Hamas gangs kill Fatah members in Gaza - YouTube[/ame]

 

[destroythedome]

sorry folks I was looking for one somewhat honest palestinian and just confirmed my poinion. palestine is without honor and honesty.

 

[P F Tinmore]

ok one last try different queshtion. I admit the Israelis government has on occasion lied the US. gvernment ocaisionaly lies.
Can you admit Hamas ocasionaly lies?

Even Israel admits that Hamas is disgustingly honest. Have you ever known them to lie?

sorry tinmore you are so full of shit I could never believe a word you say anymore. tinmore absolutely no honor no honesty . you are just another lieing no good palestinian terrorist.

If you feel that I have lied bring it up and perhaps I could clarify it for you.

 

[destroythedome]

ok one last try different queshtion. I admit the Israelis government has on occasion lied the US. gvernment ocaisionaly lies.
Can you admit Hamas ocasionaly lies?

Even Israel admits that Hamas is disgustingly honest. Have you ever known them to lie?

Hamas is honest about killing their own people
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWPL5V5G528]Hamas gangs kill Fatah members in Gaza - YouTube[/ame]

that seems to be the only thing they can get right lets hope they do more of that. victory through attrition.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Even Israel admits that Hamas is disgustingly honest. Have you ever known them to lie?

Hamas is honest about killing their own people
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWPL5V5G528]Hamas gangs kill Fatah members in Gaza - YouTube[/ame]

that seems to be the only thing they can get right lets hope they do more of that. victory through attrition.

You should read up on that conflict.

The Gaza Bombshell
After failing to anticipate Hamas’s victory over Fatah in the 2006 Palestinian election, the White House cooked up yet another scandalously covert and self-defeating Middle East debacle: part Iran-contra, part Bay of Pigs. With confidential documents, corroborated by outraged former and current U.S. officials, the author reveals how President Bush, Condoleezza Rice, and Deputy National-Security Adviser Elliott Abrams backed an armed force under Fatah strongman Muhammad Dahlan, touching off a bloody civil war in Gaza and leaving Hamas stronger than ever.

The Gaza Bombshell | Politics | Vanity Fair