Time to put up or shut up.

[Octoldit]

I do not believe a single troofer has told us what they believe happened on 9-11. All they do is list all the paranoid delusional theories without ever telling us which one they believe.

Time to either announce what you believe happened or cease and desist with linking to every single crack pot claim out there.

Lose any argument point you may have or come clean. You know what the majority of us believe. Time to stop the shotgun delusional approach and each of you tell us what you think happened.

Mostly everyone now "knows" what happened in terms of 9-11.

The America people don't need the communist/zionist cover-up media, or those involved to make a confession at this time.

The evidence speaks loud and clear.

The Zionist/FED planned and financed 9-11 as an investment for two wars and an attempted take over of the American government.

The rule of law and freedom is under siege by communism cloaked in some bogus notion of security.

The true terrorist/Zionist are going to provide security....right?

9-11 is a classic "Israeli false-flag operation",

Those that print the money can bribe almost anybody.

Sound evidence is not "paranoid delusional theories".

The fake outdated communist cover-up media has the "paranoid delusional theories".

You Zionist need to put or shut up.....put the so-called mastermind of 9-11 on trial in open court.

You people want to try and hide him in some military court to try and hide the truth.

Let's see how he explains putting all the explosives in the buildings before the aircraft stunt happened.

Let him tell the courts how he brought down WTC building 7.

You still want to talk about "paranoid delusional theories"?

 

[psikeyhackr]

I do not believe a single troofer has told us what they believe happened on 9-11. All they do is list all the paranoid delusional theories without ever telling us which one they believe.

Time to either announce what you believe happened or cease and desist with linking to every single crack pot claim out there.

To believe means to accept something as true without sufficient evidence. Therefore belief is STUPID by definition.

How does an airliner weighing less than 200 tons totally destroy a building weighting more than 400,000 tons in less then 2 hours? To believe that is possible without even demanding to know the distribution of steel in the skyscraper is STUPID.

Just because we don't know who and why doesn't mean we can't figure out when something is IMPOSSIBLE.

And then our engineering schools don't demand and publish or compute the relevant data. Gravity has not changed since the Empire State Building was completed in 1931. They didn't have electronic computers back then. Our engineering schools should be able to figure out to within 10% how the steel had to be distributed. But do they even discuss the subject?

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBzLhy3Q7sY[/ame]

The physics of tall man made structures is going to be the same all over the world.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT4BXIpdIdo[/ame]

Of course after NINE YEARS the engineering schools will look pretty STUPID if they say it is PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE. Why didn't they say that by 2003? So now they must at least tacitly support the Official Conspiracy Theory or look really STUPID. But that also means they must keep everyone from understanding grade school physics. But aren't they supposed to TEACH? They have a bit of a bind there.

psik

 

[tempesta29]

Once again class, this is what a controlled demolition looks like and sounds like.

Please notice the sounds of the explosions and flashes were absent on 9-11-01.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaBQ3AkRetI

A) This building has no facade. It will dampen an insignificant amount of the sound of explosives.

B) We have no idea at what distance this audio equipment was placed to record this demolition, and we have no confirmation that audio equipment was placed close enough to WTC 7 to have recorded explosions in the event that they had taken place.

C) When recording equipment was close to WTC 7, numerous large explosions were recorded and confirmed to have been coming from WTC 7 by fire fighters.

D) There are eyewitnesses who were very close to WTC 7 as came down who attest to hearing bombs go off in a sequential manner as it collapsed.

E) I watched the demolition in your video from several angles and saw no flashes even though the building is open and virtually transparent.

F) In what way does the collapse of WTC 7 not look like a controlled demolition? Many CDs considered successful don't even reach free fall.

What we do know is that fire cannot produce 2.25 second period of free fall in a steel framed high rise. It isn't possible. Since it isn't possible according to the laws of physics, it was, therefore, a result of controlled explosions.

Seriously though, good effort with your video.

 

[Patriot911]

A) This building has no facade. It will dampen an insignificant amount of the sound of explosives.

A facade wouldn't "dampen" the sound much. The facade would, however, be blown to kingdom come by the shockwave.

B) We have no idea at what distance this audio equipment was placed to record this demolition, and we have no confirmation that audio equipment was placed close enough to WTC 7 to have recorded explosions in the event that they had taken place.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-WZpXiEKAo[/ame]
30 seconds in. They are BLOCKS from WTC 7. NO SOUND OF EXPLOSIONS.

C) When recording equipment was close to WTC 7, numerous large explosions were recorded and confirmed to have been coming from WTC 7 by fire fighters.

You've never been able to say exactly WHEN or WHERE those recordings were taken of. As for numerous, I believe you've linked two.

D) There are eyewitnesses who were very close to WTC 7 as came down who attest to hearing bombs go off in a sequential manner as it collapsed.

You claim they all had to go off at once in order to produce the freefall. So which is it? The eyewitness you are talking about said that someone said to run, so they ran and THEN he heard the booms. None of these "booms" were heard just blocks away.

E) I watched the demolition in your video from several angles and saw no flashes even though the building is open and virtually transparent.

In the collapse videos of WTC 7, the windows remain intact throughout the collapse, yet if there had been high explosives, those windows would have blown out all over the building.

F) In what way does the collapse of WTC 7 not look like a controlled demolition? Many CDs considered successful don't even reach free fall.

WTC 7 does look like a controlled demolition, as opposed to WTC 1 and 2. Are you claiming that there is no way a structural failure can't make a building fall from the bottom up? What authority or education do you have to make such a claim if you do?

What we do know is that fire cannot produce 2.25 second period of free fall in a steel framed high rise.

No, that is what YOU pretend you know.

It isn't possible.

Small minded people say that a LOT! REALLY small minded people continue to say it after they've been shown it is possible.

Since it isn't possible according to the laws of physics, it was, therefore, a result of controlled explosions.

So, columns destroyed by demolitions charges can allow for freefall, but those same columns destroyed by any other means or circumstances can NOT allow for freefall. On what do you base this on besides your own fucked up opinion?

 

[tempesta29]

Patriot911, can you demonstrate for us how a fire can remove 100% strength from all columns on a given level and repeat that over 8 floors?

As for your last comment, steel will provide a minimum resistance to collapse even if it does fail due to weakening from fire, i.e. not free fall. If you dispute this, explain.

 

[Gamolon]

Patriot911, can you demonstrate for us how a fire can remove 100% strength from all columns on a given level and repeat that over 8 floors?

Let me ask you something. Can a column fail by putting a load upon it that surpasses it's stress limit or load bearing capacity without the use of fire? Yes or no? If yes, then why would you need fire to remove 100% of the steel's strength if said steel is already pre-stressed with a load?

As for your last comment, steel will provide a minimum resistance to collapse even if it does fail due to weakening from fire, i.e. not free fall. If you dispute this, explain.

So what you're saying is that no matter how much of a dead weight load you put on top of a single column, if that column fails, the weight on top will NEVER fall at free fall?

 

[Gamolon]

What we do know is that fire cannot produce 2.25 second period of free fall in a steel framed high rise. It isn't possible. Since it isn't possible according to the laws of physics, it was, therefore, a result of controlled explosions.

Why do you keep using fire as the only element to the cause of the collapse?

Would stress and loads on the structure add to that? Thermal expansion of floor beams and girders?

 

[LA RAM FAN]

thats easy as hell to answer.I think I speak for Eots as well as most truthers here if not all,when I say it was a joint CIA/MOSSAD operation.Its been proven to you loyal OCTA'S -official conspiracy theory apologists,but your so much in denial with your delusional theories that the media and government have brainwashed you with,that like all Bush dupes,you always cover your ears and close your eyes and run off with your tail between your legs anytime evidence,facts or witness testimonys are given that prove the official version to be complete B.S.

So give us one piece of real, hard evidence that the CIA / Mossad was behind 9/11.

BTW, MANY truthtards don't agree with you. Many say it was Bush and Cheney behind 9/11. You pretending to speak for your fellow assholes is a joke.

Building 7 freefell for 2.25 seconds according to NIST, due to regular office fires.

The building freefell through 8 floors of conrete/steel/reinforced building at the gravitational ~32 feet per second, through the path of greatest RESISTANCE (through the BUILDING itself) which is impossible according to Newtonian Physics. The only way for it to freefall is for there to be NO resistance in that path, which means floors were removed/not there.

Patriot911 is a patsy.

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and he loves to come back and get routine ass beatings from you everyday I see. they obviously pay this agent tons of money,agents like him and the others on here would never keep coming back here for free to get their ass handed to them on a platter everyday for free.noway in hell would they do that for free.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

I do not believe a single troofer has told us what they believe happened on 9-11. All they do is list all the paranoid delusional theories without ever telling us which one they believe.

Time to either announce what you believe happened or cease and desist with linking to every single crack pot claim out there.

Lose any argument point you may have or come clean. You know what the majority of us believe. Time to stop the shotgun delusional approach and each of you tell us what you think happened.

OOPS!! There goes that pesky First Amendment again. I'm sure you wish you were born in 1920 in Germany ya dumb fuck but you were not so if you do not like being reminded of inconsistancies and out right lies spoon fed from our government don't read them. Telling Americans that they must shut the fuck up is very unAmerican.

No one is trying to convince YOU of anything. It is not the job of average citizens that have the intelligence to see blatant lies to dedicate thier lives to satisfy any of your desires.

amen to that.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

I do not believe a single troofer has told us what they believe happened on 9-11. All they do is list all the paranoid delusional theories without ever telling us which one they believe.

Time to either announce what you believe happened or cease and desist with linking to every single crack pot claim out there.

Lose any argument point you may have or come clean. You know what the majority of us believe. Time to stop the shotgun delusional approach and each of you tell us what you think happened.

They just believe what they want to believe. It's the easy way and the anti-American way.

you just described you 9/11 official conspiracy theory apologists to a tee.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Did not know you were talking about WTC7 witness testimony.

But here's that as well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DuSeuxjiJQ

He has since died after this interview.

and your rebuttal responses do those videos provide nothing but opinion. Those are witness testimony and video evidence of explosions, these are the same avenues you use legally to provide a case. If it exploded in a secondary fashion it is completely discounted as a demolition? Thats a stretch, and you know it. Stop fighting the facts. And to say "no audio" as a way to prove the video proves nothing is a complete disgrace. Absorb the information and facts that are being presented, stop trying to debunk them, you cannot debunk videos/audio/physics by simply discounting them because you feel like it.

the testimony od Barry Jenkins is the smoking gun agents like Patriot and Gammy cant get around and is the ultimate proof that explosives brought the towers down.Bld 7 is the crux of the 9/11 coverup commission.None of the OCTA'S here or at any other site has ever been able to debunk this video.funny how they got rid of jenkins for telling the truth isnt it? I always say dont trust doctors unless they are a friend of yours or a friend of a friend. same pattern of the kennedy assassination.a witness giving testimony that doesnt go along with their version of events dying after giving testimony that does not fit the governments version of events.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

OK P E, plain and simple, if you have ever heard what a controlled demo sounds like then please produce audio of said controlled demolition of Bldg 7.

We will watch our children raise our grandchildren while we wait.

Did you watch the Barry Jennings video? Its not good enough either, you want a different one. What else do you want? Theres NOTHING else that can be shown, because EVERYTHING HAS BEEN SHOWN.

Witness Testimony of explosions- Check
First hand account of WTC7 Explosions - Check
Freefall Acceleration through greatest resistance - check
Video evidence of the collapse - check
expert analysis - check
Laws of physics - check

And here you are avoiding those facts, and asking for different videos....

you are purposefully avoiding the facts that are being presented to you right infront of your eyes, and instead are demanding a video that 100% proves demolition was involved without a doubt by hearing exact demolition explosions and visuals of such. Stop it. read my responses, use your logic and think with an open mind, stop being so against me. I am providing WITNESS testimony videos, VIDEOS of a building FREEFALLING through the path of greatest resistance. These are FACTS and you need to accept them rather than avoiding them.

Gomer Pyle Ollie and the OCTAS here never watch the videos,they always run off with their tail between their legs when you challenge them to refute them,they always refuse to address them.

 

[Patriot911]

Did not know you were talking about WTC7 witness testimony.

But here's that as well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DuSeuxjiJQ

He has since died after this interview.

and your rebuttal responses do those videos provide nothing but opinion. Those are witness testimony and video evidence of explosions, these are the same avenues you use legally to provide a case. If it exploded in a secondary fashion it is completely discounted as a demolition? Thats a stretch, and you know it. Stop fighting the facts. And to say "no audio" as a way to prove the video proves nothing is a complete disgrace. Absorb the information and facts that are being presented, stop trying to debunk them, you cannot debunk videos/audio/physics by simply discounting them because you feel like it.

the testimony od Barry Jenkins is the smoking gun agents like Patriot and Gammy cant get around and is the ultimate proof that explosives brought the towers down.Bld 7 is the crux of the 9/11 coverup commission.None of the OCTA'S here or at any other site has ever been able to debunk this video.funny how they got rid of jenkins for telling the truth isnt it? I always say dont trust doctors unless they are a friend of yours or a friend of a friend. same pattern of the kennedy assassination.a witness giving testimony that doesnt go along with their version of events dying after giving testimony that does not fit the governments version of events.

So how is it Barry Jenkins gives one version of what happened, yet everyone else gives a very DIFFERENT version, including the guy he was with?

As for your claim he was killed off, how utterly typical of the truthtard paranoid delusions. If the government really went after conspiracy theorists, Alex Jones and others would be long dead and buried due to various medical anomalies.

 

[SFC Ollie]

Did not know you were talking about WTC7 witness testimony.

But here's that as well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DuSeuxjiJQ

He has since died after this interview.

and your rebuttal responses do those videos provide nothing but opinion. Those are witness testimony and video evidence of explosions, these are the same avenues you use legally to provide a case. If it exploded in a secondary fashion it is completely discounted as a demolition? Thats a stretch, and you know it. Stop fighting the facts. And to say "no audio" as a way to prove the video proves nothing is a complete disgrace. Absorb the information and facts that are being presented, stop trying to debunk them, you cannot debunk videos/audio/physics by simply discounting them because you feel like it.

the testimony od Barry Jenkins is the smoking gun agents like Patriot and Gammy cant get around and is the ultimate proof that explosives brought the towers down.Bld 7 is the crux of the 9/11 coverup commission.None of the OCTA'S here or at any other site has ever been able to debunk this video.funny how they got rid of jenkins for telling the truth isnt it? I always say dont trust doctors unless they are a friend of yours or a friend of a friend. same pattern of the kennedy assassination.a witness giving testimony that doesnt go along with their version of events dying after giving testimony that does not fit the governments version of events.

So how is it Barry Jenkins gives one version of what happened, yet everyone else gives a very DIFFERENT version, including the guy he was with?

As for your claim he was killed off, how utterly typical of the truthtard paranoid delusions. If the government really went after conspiracy theorists, Alex Jones and others would be long dead and buried due to various medical anomalies.

They're still talking about that one guy whose testimony sort of validates them? Vs all the firefighters who made statements like "the building is leaning" or "It just didn't look right" or " there was a noticeable bulge"... And still no audio of any explosion that could be taken as controlled demolition.

 

[PhysicsExist]

the testimony od Barry Jenkins is the smoking gun agents like Patriot and Gammy cant get around and is the ultimate proof that explosives brought the towers down.Bld 7 is the crux of the 9/11 coverup commission.None of the OCTA'S here or at any other site has ever been able to debunk this video.funny how they got rid of jenkins for telling the truth isnt it? I always say dont trust doctors unless they are a friend of yours or a friend of a friend. same pattern of the kennedy assassination.a witness giving testimony that doesnt go along with their version of events dying after giving testimony that does not fit the governments version of events.

So how is it Barry Jenkins gives one version of what happened, yet everyone else gives a very DIFFERENT version, including the guy he was with?

As for your claim he was killed off, how utterly typical of the truthtard paranoid delusions. If the government really went after conspiracy theorists, Alex Jones and others would be long dead and buried due to various medical anomalies.

They're still talking about that one guy whose testimony sort of validates them? Vs all the firefighters who made statements like "the building is leaning" or "It just didn't look right" or " there was a noticeable bulge"... And still no audio of any explosion that could be taken as controlled demolition.

Since when does the building leaning instead collapse in freefall into its own footprint? Use your logic.....it's BASIC.

stop fighting the videos, hard evidence, and witness testimony. Physics DO NOT allow for a leaning/tilting/melting building to fall at freefall speeds. STOP overlooking THIS FACT. THIS FACT of 2.25 seconds ADMITTED by NIST, 100% ADMITS and PROVES to controlled demolition. HOW and WHY do you over look this?

 

[SFC Ollie]

So how is it Barry Jenkins gives one version of what happened, yet everyone else gives a very DIFFERENT version, including the guy he was with?

As for your claim he was killed off, how utterly typical of the truthtard paranoid delusions. If the government really went after conspiracy theorists, Alex Jones and others would be long dead and buried due to various medical anomalies.

They're still talking about that one guy whose testimony sort of validates them? Vs all the firefighters who made statements like "the building is leaning" or "It just didn't look right" or " there was a noticeable bulge"... And still no audio of any explosion that could be taken as controlled demolition.

Since when does the building leaning instead collapse in freefall into its own footprint? Use your logic.....it's BASIC.

stop fighting the videos, hard evidence, and witness testimony. Physics DO NOT allow for a leaning/tilting/melting building to fall at freefall speeds. STOP overlooking THIS FACT. THIS FACT of 2.25 seconds ADMITTED by NIST, 100% ADMITS and PROVES to controlled demolition. HOW and WHY do you over look this?

Maybe because with all the things that happened that day all you've got is 2.25 seconds. No audio and no physical proof of anything that wasn't in the official investigation.

 

[DiveCon]

Once again class, this is what a controlled demolition looks like and sounds like.


Please notice the sounds of the explosions and flashes were absent on 9-11-01.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaBQ3AkRetI

Yeah, but didn't you know they used C4 coated rebar in the WTC, Sarge? (sarcasm off)

and it was that special silent C4

 

[tempesta29]

Let me ask you something. Can a column fail by putting a load upon it that surpasses it's stress limit or load bearing capacity without the use of fire? Yes or no? If yes, then why would you need fire to remove 100% of the steel's strength if said steel is already pre-stressed with a load?

Yes is the answer to your first question. As for the second, if something doesn't remove 100% of the steel's strength then it will fall at slower than gravitational acceleration. Fire is the official cause of the collapse, fire leading to failures by the core columns to support their loads. This would be a tighter argument if free fall hadn't occurred. Why? Because fire can't remove 100% of steel's strength in order to produce that result. If this fire had been 5,000F and occurred in a flash across each level one by one, then maybe you'd have something.

Then again... they did find molten steel at WTC 7. Hmm...

So what you're saying is that no matter how much of a dead weight load you put on top of a single column, if that column fails, the weight on top will NEVER fall at free fall?

Of course it won't. These are normal components of the structure, a structure that stood for decades. Why would it suddenly lose all of its ability to bear that load? It will always offer a minimum resistance under these circumstances. Free fall means at no point during the stage which begins at failure does it offer resistance. A failing steel beam will still not spontaneously lose all of its load bearing capacity at once. It reaches its stress limit then it bows until it can bow no longer. This bowing still offers resistance.

Why do you keep using fire as the only element to the cause of the collapse?

We are told fire caused these columns to lose their ability to bear their loads. The dead loads and gravity are kind of assumed no? I mean, must I also explain why things fall down instead of up?

Would stress and loads on the structure add to that? Thermal expansion of floor beams and girders?

Stress on the structure is not some external force. It's the structure itself putting stress on its load bearing components. It's not like I'm forgetting these components. They are the structure itself, but then again, buildings stand tall because their load bearing components hold them up. That isn't a variable in this equation. Fire is the variable, therefore it is addressed.

 

[SFC Ollie]

They found molten steel at WTC7 ? Really? Can you link us to that please...

We can wait.

 

[candycorn]

the testimony od Barry Jenkins is the smoking gun agents like Patriot and Gammy cant get around and is the ultimate proof that explosives brought the towers down.Bld 7 is the crux of the 9/11 coverup commission.None of the OCTA'S here or at any other site has ever been able to debunk this video.funny how they got rid of jenkins for telling the truth isnt it? I always say dont trust doctors unless they are a friend of yours or a friend of a friend. same pattern of the kennedy assassination.a witness giving testimony that doesnt go along with their version of events dying after giving testimony that does not fit the governments version of events.

So how is it Barry Jenkins gives one version of what happened, yet everyone else gives a very DIFFERENT version, including the guy he was with?

As for your claim he was killed off, how utterly typical of the truthtard paranoid delusions. If the government really went after conspiracy theorists, Alex Jones and others would be long dead and buried due to various medical anomalies.

They're still talking about that one guy whose testimony sort of validates them? Vs all the firefighters who made statements like "the building is leaning" or "It just didn't look right" or " there was a noticeable bulge"... And still no audio of any explosion that could be taken as controlled demolition.

Theres plenty of audio of WTC7. None of it has a single explosion like you'd hear on a building demolition.