Time to Cut bait...

[toastman]

The United States befriends the Jews of Israel for its own good and true reasons.

Being the only major power of the immediate post-WWII era sufficiently mindful of the Holocaust and the near-extermination of the Jews of Europe, to be willing to support them in their quest to re-establish their ancestral and spiritual homeland on the dried bones of Old Palestine.

The other major world religions - Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc., all have one or more regions or countries or capital cities which can be called the Home of those belief systems.

The Jews are merely in the multi-decade-long process of re-establishing their own, after a 1900 year-long exile and wait.

The Muslim-Arabs of the West Bank and Gaza should have been cleared out of those regions and relocated to Jordan, Lebanon, Syria and Egypt, in the late 1940s.

The world's failure to accomplish that simple and obvious task - along the lines of the population transfers of Europe and the Indian subcontinent after WWII - is the root cause of all the Arab-Israeli wars and the fuss-and-bother with the pissant Palestinians.

It seems likely that the time is coming to re-locate the losing side - the Palestinians - moving them out of harm's way and re-positioning them to build new and happier lives, elsewhere, but that's another topic, and a sidebar to this particular thread, so, rather than de-rail it with a sidebar, so early...

The West - and the United States, in particular - will not allow Islam to dictate to it, whom we may befriend, and whom we may not, and whom we may call allies, and whom we may not.

That is the way of the Coward and the Appeaser - and that simply is not going to happen.

A re-awakening, re-militarizing Islam is simply going to have to get used to that, or fight The West, as it sees fit.

Given that Islam has attempted to fight Israel, repeatedly, and that Islam has failed, repeatedly...

And given that Israel's regional neighbors are so pathetically weak at present - and for the foreseeable future - that they can almost be ignored, as a threat to The West...

And given the sorry show that Islam has put up, in Afghanistan and Iraq...

And given the growing Western commitment to destroy ISIS-ISIL-IS in Syria-Iraq before that viper can grow into something more formidable...

I seriously doubt that The West needs to be mortally afraid of threats by Militant Islam apologists, fifth-columnists and fear-mongers, trying to Divide and Conquer, and to make The West - and the United States - drop their support for Israel, out of fear of Islamic reprisals or war.

In addition to our traditional 'We will not be bullied' philosophy, 9-11 and the London Tube Bombings rather took care of any doubts, concerning Islam's ability to browbeat The West in general, or the US in particular.

No matter HOW many Muslim Lord Haw-Haw';s and Tokyo Rose's come crawling out of the woodwork, trying to scare us.

Popular support for Israel is at an all-time high, as evidenced by Summer 2014 popular polls in the US, smack-dab in the middle of Gaza War II.

The present - and, now, very lame-duck - occupant of the White House aside...

American support and backing for Israel will continue, as will the bonds of friendship and fondness between our two peoples - strengthening with each passing year.

You are so delusional. Now how about a reality check, from the anti-Israel Bloomberg View and the author the Jew-hating , Jeffery Goldberg (oh wait, self-hating Jew):

"Why Palestinians Have Time on Their Side"

"Either the Jews of Israel would grant the Palestinians the vote, at which point their country would lose its Jewish majority and its identity as a refuge for the Jewish people, or it would deny them the vote, and become an apartheid state. The latter option is untenable, of course: Many Jewish Israelis would be repulsed by this thought; other nations that already consider Israel a pariah would now have just cause; and Israel would lose its last remaining friend, the U.S., because no American -- including and especially young American Jews -- would identify with a country reminiscent of pre-Mandela South Africa......Absent any hope of progress, the Palestinians will do what they can to undermine Israel. But all they have to do is wait.

Why Palestinians Have Time on Their Side - Bloomberg View

Why can't you just admit that you cannot handle the truth propaganda-tici?

We've all read enough of your posts to know who the delusional one between us three is. Hint: It's not Kondor or me

 

[toastman]

Stupid people discuss a situation by indulging in overblown cliches, bloated buzz phrases, hyperbolic propaganda, and indulgence in a fantasy that exists only in their twisted psyche.

Intelligent people discuss a situation rationally.

Pally propaganda only appeals to the former, to which their vomitous posts attest.

Now, that's funny, Hasbara.

You are a perfect example of an unintelligent person not being able to discuss anything rational.

 

[pbel]

You are a coward Pbel. Because Islam is a threat to America, you want the U.S to end ties with Israel. You want to succumb to the demands of Islamic extremism. Does Israel attack the supporters of the Palestinians because they support them ? You should be shamed of yourself that you blame Israel for the deaths you mentioned. You really think that if America wasn;t allied with Israel that these attacks and threats would stop ?

Yes!

"Millions for defense. Not one cent for tribute."

Another Kondor the Klown tribute for the defense industry paid by our blood! We no longer have any vital interests in the ME, stop arming Israel and the dictators...

 

[toastman]

You are a coward Pbel. Because Islam is a threat to America, you want the U.S to end ties with Israel. You want to succumb to the demands of Islamic extremism. Does Israel attack the supporters of the Palestinians because they support them ? You should be shamed of yourself that you blame Israel for the deaths you mentioned. You really think that if America wasn;t allied with Israel that these attacks and threats would stop ?

Yes!

"Millions for defense. Not one cent for tribute."

Another Kondor the Klown tribute for the defense industry paid by our blood! We no longer have any vital interests in the ME, stop arming Israel and the dictators...

America is still arming Israel and they are still Allies, despite all the crap pro Palestinians have said.

 

[Kondor3]

...Absent any hope of progress, the Palestinians will do what they can to undermine Israel. But all they have to do is wait...

The myopic perspective of two choices: (1) give the Pals the vote, or (2) keep them segregated.

The thinking-outside-of-the-box perspective sees two other choices: (3) expulsion of the Palestinians, or (4) their extermination.

(3) is far more palatable and humane, all around.

Every other solution that was viable at one point in time or another has been tried and has failed.

The Israelis are left with a Gordian Knot to cope with.

They've been trying to untie it for years, with no great hope of success.

Having exhausted all other (acceptable) possibilities by now, there is nothing left, long-term, but (3) or (4), and, unlike the Palestinians, the Jews will not choose (4).

It's logical, and it's also all that's left - the only remaining long-term solution.

What will be required to implement (3) is resoluteness and courage and thinking outside the box, as well as good timing.

Things that the Israelis excel at.

There is nothing delusion about any of that - there is nobody to stop them, when the time comes.

To reject such possibilities in extremis is to manifest a considerable myopia.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

All the Polymaths of the world, Hawkins, Chomsky etc. support the Palestinian peoples quest for Justice.

You should have one of the older kids explain to you the logical fallacy known as an appeal to authority, some day.

Not only are yours no actual authority since they are not experts in politics, especially in regards to the Middle east, but you lied when you said "all".

 

[Kondor3]

You are a coward Pbel. Because Islam is a threat to America, you want the U.S to end ties with Israel. You want to succumb to the demands of Islamic extremism. Does Israel attack the supporters of the Palestinians because they support them ? You should be shamed of yourself that you blame Israel for the deaths you mentioned. You really think that if America wasn;t allied with Israel that these attacks and threats would stop ?

Yes!

"Millions for defense. Not one cent for tribute."

Another Kondor the Klown tribute for the defense industry paid by our blood! We no longer have any vital interests in the ME, stop arming Israel and the dictators...

Nope.

A quote from American history - used during the Presidencies of both John Adams and Thomas Jefferson - long before the defense industry existed.

Neatly applied, to our context here.

As to the 'Klown' appellation, well, any brickbats I receive from Jew-hating Muslim-sympathizer Lord Haw-Haws and Tokyo Roses, I wear like a badge of honor.

 

[pbel]

You are a coward Pbel. Because Islam is a threat to America, you want the U.S to end ties with Israel. You want to succumb to the demands of Islamic extremism. Does Israel attack the supporters of the Palestinians because they support them ? You should be shamed of yourself that you blame Israel for the deaths you mentioned. You really think that if America wasn;t allied with Israel that these attacks and threats would stop ?

Yes!

"Millions for defense. Not one cent for tribute."

Another Kondor the Klown tribute for the defense industry paid by our blood! We no longer have any vital interests in the ME, stop arming Israel and the dictators...

Nope.

A quote from American history - used during the Presidencies of both John Adams and Thomas Jefferson - long before the defense industry existed.

Neatly applied, to our context here.

As to the 'Klown' appellation, well, any brickbats I receive from Muslim-sympathizer Lord Haw-Haws and Tokyo Roses, I wear like a badge of honor.

Were not fighting the Barbary Pirates Klowningthol...Islam is not asking for Tribute but to be left alone.

 

[jillian]

Stupid people discuss a situation by indulging in overblown cliches, bloated buzz phrases, hyperbolic propaganda, and indulgence in a fantasy that exists only in their twisted psyche.

Intelligent people discuss a situation rationally.

Pally propaganda only appeals to the former, to which their vomitous posts attest.

Now, that's funny, Hasbara.

no. it's sad.... like you.

 

[pbel]

All the Polymaths of the world, Hawkins, Chomsky etc. support the Palestinian peoples quest for Justice.

You should have one of the older kids explain to you the logical fallacy known as an appeal to authority, some day.

Not only are yours no actual authority since they are not experts in politics, especially in regards to the Middle east, but you lied when you said "all".

Do you know of any that don't?

 

[Kondor3]

Were not fighting the Barbary Pirates Klowningthol...Islam is not asking for Tribute but to be left alone.

Yielding to financial blackmail...

Yielding to threats of continued violence against the US if we continue to support Israel...

Different sides of the same coin...

The phrase is just as relevant to 'threats' as it is to actual tribute demands, as a metaphorical expression of the American Mindset about being blackmailed or threatened by Islam, but you don't have the perception to pick up on such subtleties of usage and turns of a phrase.

A long-standing tradition of hostility between various elements of Islam and the United States, which dates back to the period 1800-1810...

"...to the shores of Tripoli..."

 

[pbel]

Were not fighting the Barbary Pirates Klowningthol...Islam is not asking for Tribute but to be left alone.

Yielding to financial blackmail...

Yielding to threats of continued violence against the US if we continue to support Israel...

Different sides of the same coin...

The phrase is just as relevant to 'threats' as it is to actual tribute demands, as a metaphorical expression of the American Mindset about being blackmailed or threatened by Islam, but you don't have the perception to pick up on such subtleties of usage and turns of a phrase.

A long-standing tradition of hostility between various elements of Islam and the United States, which dates back to the period 1800-1810...

"...to the shores of Tripoli..."

You don't have the right to sing the Marine Corps Hymn doggy boy...You offer support for a Foreign Country whose interests are no longer in Tune with ours...

Frankly I'm tired of being targeted as a American because our country arms an Israeli State which has bombed all its neighbors and recently in Gaza Civilians from the sky like herded animals...

No wonder Islamists hate our guts!

 

[Kondor3]

You don't have the right to sing the Marine Corps Hymn doggy boy...

You do not get to make that call.

"...To the shores of Tripoli..."

- served-up here as a timely reminder that the United States has been fighting Muslim pirate scum since the early days of our Republic - so long ago, that it became an integral part of the Marine Corps Hymn more than a century ago, celebrating our first overseas victories in the 1800-1810 time frame, over Muslims on the North African coast.

...You offer support for a Foreign Country whose interests are no longer in Tune with ours...

Incorrect.

I support our collective support of a foreign country whom we have befriended and allied with, irrespective of our interests, because it was (and is, and will continue to be) the right thing to do, and because not every foreign relationship is based purely upon self-interest.

I support our collective support, as do the vast and overwhelming majority of American citizens, as evidenced in credible nationwide polling during the Summer of 2014, smack-dab in the middle of Gaza War II.

...Frankly I'm tired of being targeted as a American because our country arms an Israeli State which has bombed all its neighbors and recently in Gaza Civilians from the sky like herded animals...

Nobody cares what you're tired of.

...No wonder Islamists hate our guts!

They've hated our guts since the days of John Adams and Thomas Jefferson, and they hated the rest of Christendom long before that.

Neither Islamists - nor Islam at-large - will be allowed to dictate to the United States, whom we befriend, and whom we may not.

Phukk 'em.

And their fear-mongering mouthpieces, too.

 

[Phoenall]

The United States befriends the Jews of Israel for its own good and true reasons.

Being the only major power of the immediate post-WWII era sufficiently mindful of the Holocaust and the near-extermination of the Jews of Europe, to be willing to support them in their quest to re-establish their ancestral and spiritual homeland on the dried bones of Old Palestine.

The other major world religions - Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc., all have one or more regions or countries or capital cities which can be called the Home of those belief systems.

The Jews are merely in the multi-decade-long process of re-establishing their own, after a 1900 year-long exile and wait.

The Muslim-Arabs of the West Bank and Gaza should have been cleared out of those regions and relocated to Jordan, Lebanon, Syria and Egypt, in the late 1940s.

The world's failure to accomplish that simple and obvious task - along the lines of the population transfers of Europe and the Indian subcontinent after WWII - is the root cause of all the Arab-Israeli wars and the fuss-and-bother with the pissant Palestinians.

It seems likely that the time is coming to re-locate the losing side - the Palestinians - moving them out of harm's way and re-positioning them to build new and happier lives, elsewhere, but that's another topic, and a sidebar to this particular thread, so, rather than de-rail it with a sidebar, so early...

The West - and the United States, in particular - will not allow Islam to dictate to it, whom we may befriend, and whom we may not, and whom we may call allies, and whom we may not.

That is the way of the Coward and the Appeaser - and that simply is not going to happen.

A re-awakening, re-militarizing Islam is simply going to have to get used to that, or fight The West, as it sees fit.

Given that Islam has attempted to fight Israel, repeatedly, and that Islam has failed, repeatedly...

And given that Israel's regional neighbors are so pathetically weak at present - and for the foreseeable future - that they can almost be ignored, as a threat to The West...

And given the sorry show that Islam has put up, in Afghanistan and Iraq...

And given the growing Western commitment to destroy ISIS-ISIL-IS in Syria-Iraq before that viper can grow into something more formidable...

I seriously doubt that The West needs to be mortally afraid of threats by Militant Islam apologists, fifth-columnists and fear-mongers, trying to Divide and Conquer, and to make The West - and the United States - drop their support for Israel, out of fear of Islamic reprisals or war.

In addition to our traditional 'We will not be bullied' philosophy, 9-11 and the London Tube Bombings rather took care of any doubts, concerning Islam's ability to browbeat The West in general, or the US in particular.

No matter HOW many Muslim Lord Haw-Haw';s and Tokyo Rose's come crawling out of the woodwork, trying to scare us.

Popular support for Israel is at an all-time high, as evidenced by Summer 2014 popular polls in the US, smack-dab in the middle of Gaza War II.

The present - and, now, very lame-duck - occupant of the White House aside...

American support and backing for Israel will continue, as will the bonds of friendship and fondness between our two peoples - strengthening with each passing year.

American Support for Israel is AIPAC money through for US Politicians....3,000 dead in 9/11 roughly 7-8 thousand dead in wars against Islam....

Yea, thank you Israel!

And how many Israelis have died in the last 66 years at the hands of the muslims, how many before the US decided to give them a helping hand and sell them weapons in the mid 1980's. Without Israel the US would not have an ally in the M.E. or a staging post to counter any threats from that direction. You are not only a Jew hater but a traitor to your own country and would not lift a finger to help if the arab muslims invaded. Instead you would blame Israel for the attacks.

 

[Phoenall]

...American Support for Israel is AIPAC money through for US Politicians...

You greatly overestimate and exaggerate (for your own propaganda purposes) the influence of the Israeli lobby.

The American People support Israel by vast, overwhelming margins, and none of them get a penny of AIPAC money.

...3,000 dead in 9/11 roughly 7-8 thousand dead in wars against Islam.... Yea, thank you Israel!

Correction.

Thank you, Islam.

We (the American People) know who the enemy is.

And it is not Israel.

AIPAC also has friends who control the Mass Media, so that debate and news has been censored by Israel...

The Internet is however exposing these truths and Israel is least liked nation in a BBC poll, also a very significant shift in young Americans who are seeing the Injustice Israel spreads with its constant thievery of peoples homes, via ethnic cleansing...

The truth is coming out and Israel has only AIPAC Media controlled America as a unwilling bride whose dowry has been paid by American Zionists who see Israel's interests over our-own...

Why do you LIE when the poll was fixed and Israel did not come bottom of the heavily loaded questions.

And it is not AIPAC that controls America but the many Islamic PAC's that control America. Israel is a lowly tenth in the list.

 

[Phoenall]

...The truth is coming out and Israel has only AIPAC Media controlled America as a unwilling bride whose dowry has been paid by American Zionists who see Israel's interests over our-own...

"it's all part of a Worldwide Joooo-ish Kornspiracy, I tellz ya!"

Typical answer when fearing the truth...It has nothing to do with conspiracies, its all out in the open in America, and legal...Money rules our government and Money's Domination erodes Democracy...

Keep posting 3 ply Kondor Kartoons Tattle boy!

And it is mostly Islamic sources and the NRA that control America

 

[marketindex]

Islamists hate our guts not because of Israel but because we are a democracy, like Israel.

They (Islamists) hate everyone who doesn't think like they do and if they tell you otherwise they're lying.

New here, not sure of the rules. I guess I should read them.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Do you know of any that don't?

Is your Arabic into English translation device broken again?

 

[theliq]

...The truth is coming out and Israel has only AIPAC Media controlled America as a unwilling bride whose dowry has been paid by American Zionists who see Israel's interests over our-own...

"it's all part of a Worldwide Joooo-ish Kornspiracy, I tellz ya!"

Typical answer when fearing the truth...It has nothing to do with conspiracies, its all out in the open in America, and legal...Money rules our government and Money's Domination erodes Democracy...

Keep posting 3 ply Kondor Kartoons Tattle boy!

Yes, it has everything to do with conspiracies.
You are a coward Pbel. Because Islam is a threat to America, you want the U.S to end ties with Israel. You want to succumb to the demands of Islamic extremism.


Does Israel attack the supporters of the Palestinians because they support them ? You should be shamed of yourself that you blame Israel for the deaths you mentioned.
You really think that if America wasn;t allied with Israel that these attacks and threats would stop ?

Not all Islam Toastie,that is ridiculous.......just remember these Islamic desperardo's will kill their own plus everyone else including Israel.....everyone should stop them..steve

 

[theliq]

Islamists hate our guts not because of Israel but because we are a democracy, like Israel.

They (Islamists) hate everyone who doesn't think like they do and if they tell you otherwise they're lying.

New here, not sure of the rules. I guess I should read them.

But what form of democracy is the question you should ask yourself ....because you are mainly hip pocket voters......not moral voters because most of you are led by the nose.......by your poor quality politicians.....get real