Time to attack iran

[goldcatt]

To be paid for how?

Eliminating the laughingstock UHC plan that obama is seeking, reducing military acquisitions that do nothing except keep jobs in certain congressman's districts for equipment that noone needs - and the army does not want, close useless army bases, reduce overseas troops in Germany significantly and elsewhere they aren't needed, reduce purchases of other equipment not needed like 187 F-22s when far fewer are needed, stop government pork like anything that fucking turd Mutha seeks, reduce government spending on jetliners for congressman junkets, eliminate the printing of pennies, and collect some $$ from the arabs, who would stand to benefit even more than the israelis from the elimination of the iranian nuke program, for starters...

So since pork and planes are atrocities but also a minute part of the overall Federal budget, the majority of your plan for funding your proposed war is to cut the military and somehow extract money from Arab nations. Oh, and the F-22 was already killed, in case you missed the brouhaha. So count that one out, we're still broke without it. Somehow I'm not sure your plan is either politically or practically feasible.

And don't go asking me how to pay for it, I say we're broke and it can't be done.

 

[Nik]

You've missed my entire argument, if you think any of this post beyond the first paragraph is something I disagree with.

What I disagree with is the whole Chicken Little rush to bomb the crap out of people you claim sympathy for because their government is brutal, especially at a time when they are attempting to overthrow said brutal government and accomplish many if not all of our goals for us without us spending a dime or bleeding a drop.

We keep everything firmly on the table out in the open and wait to see who and what we're dealing with instead of pulling yet another "oopsie".

Let me be more precise with my language: I am not advocating a massive genocidal campaign to wipe out most of iran, I am in support of Gen. Fuld's recommended plan of action to destroy their nuclear facilities. If iran decides to turn it into a larger conflagration, then all bets are off, and I would then expand the campaign to eliminate their military capabilities.

Iran is falling apart. The stupidest thing possible for us to do would be to attack them right now.

 

[goldcatt]

To be paid for how?

Eliminating the laughingstock UHC plan that obama is seeking, reducing military acquisitions that do nothing except keep jobs in certain congressman's districts for equipment that noone needs - and the army does not want, close useless army bases, reduce overseas troops in Germany significantly and elsewhere they aren't needed, reduce purchases of other equipment not needed like 187 F-22s when far fewer are needed, stop government pork like anything that fucking turd Mutha seeks, reduce government spending on jetliners for congressman junkets, eliminate the printing of pennies, and collect some $$ from the arabs, who would stand to benefit even more than the israelis from the elimination of the iranian nuke program, for starters...

So since pork and planes are atrocities but also a minute part of the overall Federal budget, the majority of your plan for funding your proposed war is to cut the military and somehow extract money from Arab nations. Oh, and the F-22 was already killed, in case you missed the brouhaha. So count that one out, we're still broke without it. Somehow I'm not sure your plan is either politically or practically feasible.

And don't go asking me how to pay for it, I say we're broke and it can't be done.

To add to this thought, UHC doesn't count because we have a $1.3 Trillion deficit before it's even in existence. Enacting it will mean we're even more in the red, but killing it saves us nothing.

 

[del]

How the hell am I an "unknown" quantity? I think I have made my position pretty clear.

Might as well give up, Cold. You're trying to converse with a person who thinks people care enough about it to create hundreds of sock puppets just to harass it.

Better to decide whether to ignore it or turn it into a pinata. Nothing else is a realistic option.

Except last week i was correct, and the admins blasted about 5 -10 sock puppets....and the more post BS you spew, the more you sound like JBeuk's ass crack all the time...

you've never been right about anything, you delusional fuckroast, especially sock puppets.

 

[rhodescholar]

you've never been right about anything, you delusional fuckroast, especially sock puppets.

This is exactly the problem with this board - that some of the so-called mods are trolling in the threads exacerbates the problem. Del is a complete fucking idiot, a turd who should choke to death at its next meal, hopefully.

Now that i lowered myself into the gutter to speak to that POS, the adults can continue with the thread, thank you for your attention...

First off, the F-22 wasn't dropped, fewer will be purchased.

Second, we are already paying the air force/navy to operate, it would only cost the price of munitions plus...

 

[del]

you've never been right about anything, you delusional fuckroast, especially sock puppets.

This is exactly the problem with this board - that some of the so-called mods are trolling in the threads exacerbates the problem. Del is a complete fucking idiot, a turd who should choke to death at its next meal, hopefully.

Now that i lowered myself into the gutter to speak to that POS, the adults can continue with the thread, thank you for your attention...

First off, the F-22 wasn't dropped, fewer will be purchased.

Second, we are already paying the air force/navy to operate, it would only cost the price of munitions plus...

 

[rhodescholar]

Notice how none of Del's posts are ever on topic...a sign of no brains and fewer facts. It must be sad to be such a complete failure in life...

Del is a perfect reason not to support the UHC, i'd rather Natural Selection/Darwinism take its course so that trash like Del can just die off sooner without the rest of us having to pay for its welfare or health coverage.

 

[del]

Notice how none of Del's posts are ever on topic...a sign of no brains and fewer facts. It must be sad to be such a complete failure in life...

Del is a perfect reason not to support the UHC, i'd rather Natural Selection/Darwinism take its course so that trash like Del can just die off sooner without the rest of us having to pay for its welfare or health coverage.

you betcha, you klandestine keyboard kommando.

 

[Cold Fusion38]

Oh it is completely relevant........Because ISRAEL can do whatever the F they want with NO consequenses. Iran on the other hand are being threatened by a country that is controlled by the US.

Soooooock puppppppppet.....and with idiocies like this, they wonder why i do not respond...

Oh I'm a sock puppet because you aren't capable of arguing my points? Pretty pathetic if you ask me. By the way I used to post on MSNBC had nearly 20,000 posts in 3 years and never ONCE felt the need to post under a different name!

 

[Shogun]

Ah Rhoad no answer huh?

I hope you were not expecting one. THIS is where he accuses you of being a sock puppet account and a host of other colorful names... you know, right before he cries about shit talking.

 

[Shogun]

How the hell am I an "unknown" quantity? I think I have made my position pretty clear.

Might as well give up, Cold. You're trying to converse with a person who thinks people care enough about it to create hundreds of sock puppets just to harass it.

Better to decide whether to ignore it or turn it into a pinata. Nothing else is a realistic option.

SERIOUSLY.

Of course, I hope you realize that Rhodes, Jillian, Ghook and Elvis now have you listed on their mossad email conveying all the antisemites here at USMB.

 

[Shogun]

How the hell am I an "unknown" quantity? I think I have made my position pretty clear.

Might as well give up, Cold. You're trying to converse with a person who thinks people care enough about it to create hundreds of sock puppets just to harass it.

Better to decide whether to ignore it or turn it into a pinata. Nothing else is a realistic option.

Except last week i was correct, and the admins blasted about 5 -10 sock puppets....and the more post BS you spew, the more you sound like JBeuk's ass crack all the time...

You are a lying motherfucker. NAME the sock puppets and, specifically, the mod that YOU spoke with to purge USMB of "5-10 sock puppets".



seriously. your delusions are borderline schizophrenic.

 

[Shogun]

Rhoad answer to WHAT? Answer to how many UN mandates that Israel has violated!

Why is that relevant in an iran thread? You want to discuss israel, go start your own thread.

HAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!









GOOD ANSWER!

 

[Shogun]

Oh it is completely relevant........Because ISRAEL can do whatever the F they want with NO consequenses. Iran on the other hand are being threatened by a country that is controlled by the US.

Soooooock puppppppppet.....and with idiocies like this, they wonder why i do not respond...

don't you mean..

"SSSSssssssoooCK PUPPPETSSSSSSssssSSSSSSSS!"

 

[Shogun]

might as well give up, cold. You're trying to converse with a person who thinks people care enough about it to create hundreds of sock puppets just to harass it.

Better to decide whether to ignore it or turn it into a pinata. Nothing else is a realistic option.

except last week i was correct, and the admins blasted about 5 -10 sock puppets....and the more post bs you spew, the more you sound like jbeuk's ass crack all the time...

you've never been right about anything, you delusional fuckroast, especially sock puppets.

seriously

 

[Shogun]

Notice how none of Del's posts are ever on topic...a sign of no brains and fewer facts. It must be sad to be such a complete failure in life...

Del is a perfect reason not to support the UHC, i'd rather Natural Selection/Darwinism take its course so that trash like Del can just die off sooner without the rest of us having to pay for its welfare or health coverage.

Actually, he commented on your silly delusiojnal claim that you are some kind of sock puppet sleuth fettering out "5-10" sock puppets. Which, we ALL know is a load of shit. Del, as a mod, is able to verify how full of shit you are and, honestly, it's pretty clear that your reaction to his posts would be a LOT different had he not thrown a bullshit detecting grenade into your claims.

 

[Gurdari]

Not sure what proximity has to do with it, but we hear Israel threatening Iran, so however many miles they are both apart it is still a credible threat, no?

Was that before or after iran threatened israel?

Was that before or after iran sent in hamas and hezbollah suicide bombers and rocket attacks?

Would you consider it an act of war if israel were to place non-uniformed proxy armies and mercs on iran's borders to fire mortars and rockets into iran, as well as send in suicide bombers into teheranian cafes?

When did Iran threaten Israel? Please be literal and direct and clear.
Iran is in charge of Hamas and Hezbollah? I may need some supporting evidence that Iran is their BOSS.


As for suicide bombers being an act of war - tricky. It would need to be clear it wasn't random citizens... and to find out exactly who was doing it for another nation (and if that was even sanctioned by the gov) would be important, and who was just angry, or doing it for a certain group of people (citizen militia, or whatever). IMO.

Wow, I am surprised you feel the US is a legit target for attack.

Consistency is important.

I completely agree. How refreshing - a break from the usual 'my country right or wrong' nonsense.

I think you must be kidding - iran murdered via suicide bombins and rocket attacks thousands of israeli civilians. The US provided money and weapons...

I do not agree that Hamas and Hezbollah are mindless proxies - I belive they are indiginous movements - with or without support from Iran, they have their own agendas and motivations (considered legal and legitimate by some).

And the US provided money and weapons? And mine dthe harbor? And and and... go read about the first war on terror, run by many of the same people I might add - and develop a more informed opinion about US involvment in Latin America. As I say, don't take my word for it.

Then a tiny nation should not fuck with a larger/more powerful one - like iran should not be attacking israel with proxies, and expecting to be able to claim they are not responsible.

So, might DOES make right? Well then international law is for suckers I suppose. So why even bring up agreements and obligations when the big boys make all the rules? And can break them as they see fit? Basically, you think Iran NEEDS a nuke to get some respect - they likely agree with you.

How would you propose to crush hamas and hezbollah, along with rogue nations like iran and their use of non-uniformed terror groups?

I don't propose that. I would look at the causes of of conflict and start there. Plus, rogue nations aren't the issue - it is rogue nations who don't play on our team that are the problem. Unless you have a definition of 'rogue' that you can present that does not include the US?

Aspirations and influence throught trade, education, medical assistance, etc is fine - not through military might and the use of terrorism/proxy armies.

Well... if Iran was somehow unique in that regard perhaps you would have a case, not to mention they allegedly fund movements that would exist in some form regardless of Iran's help.

The US removed a dictator, and is leaving the country - do you think the iraqis were better off under saddam?

Many were obviously, and so was much of the nation - but the ends do not always justify the means, and re-writing the Iraqi constitution and their trade and banking laws, foreign ownership, etc. to make a more favorable climate for US investment is filthy behavior, a big strong nation using it's fists to beat a smaller nation into a exploitable resource. Sickening. And sure, Saddam was a horrible guy - like many nations have horrible oppressive leadership that we do business with - so we sure don't care about human rights... until it's convenient.

Imagine Iran had troops all around these borders here, and had a history of meddling with the government - would you then see them more as international colleagues? Or peers?

If their intentions were democratic and peaceful, as opposed to totalitarian...

Ha! Really? You seem to have far more trust in the language and words of foreign governments than I do - even though this whole thread it seems clear that you do not trust Iran. But you would, of course - if they surrounded the US and promised to behave?

So, pulling out is fine - i.e. disregarding something is ok as long as you say 'I no longer wish to play by these rules'.

As i said, it is illegal to withdraw from the treaty.

You also implied might makes right and those who can break the law may as well do so.
Certainly the US is in NO position to point the finger at NPT violators or international law breakers.

 

[rhodescholar]

Oh I'm a sock puppet because you aren't capable of arguing my points? Pretty pathetic if you ask me. By the way I used to post on MSNBC had nearly 20,000 posts in 3 years and never ONCE felt the need to post under a different name!

Ask an intelligent question and you will get an equally so answer.

 

[Shogun]

Oh I'm a sock puppet because you aren't capable of arguing my points? Pretty pathetic if you ask me. By the way I used to post on MSNBC had nearly 20,000 posts in 3 years and never ONCE felt the need to post under a different name!

Ask an intelligent question and you will get an equally so answer.

unless bitch scholar doesn't LIKE the question.. THEN, you are obviously a joo hating antisemite who is a sock puppet account of mine.

the more you know.

 

[rhodescholar]

What a pleasure, seeing a person in the thread with a mental age over 4- take note Del, shogun, etc.

When did Iran threaten Israel? Please be literal and direct and clear.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Iran is in charge of Hamas and Hezbollah? I may need some supporting evidence that Iran is their BOSS.

I am not going to go into the basic facts of this and every detail. Not to be rude, but if you are genuinely asking this question, you need to leave USMB and read up. Otherwise, its a sign of an agenda...

As for suicide bombers being an act of war - tricky. It would need to be clear it wasn't random citizens... and to find out exactly who was doing it for another nation (and if that was even sanctioned by the gov) would be important, and who was just angry, or doing it for a certain group of people (citizen militia, or whatever). IMO.

Everytime the israelis and arabs get close to a peace deal, iran orders an attack/suicide bombing.

I do not agree that Hamas and Hezbollah are mindless proxies - I belive they are indiginous movements - with or without support from Iran, they have their own agendas and motivations (considered legal and legitimate by some).

Hamas may have started that way, but no longer, and hez was created by iran to protect/serve the lebanese shia, primarily against the PLO/sunni factions in lebanon - not against the israelis.

In January, hamas was told that by iran through meshaal that if they stopped firing rockets - even though it would end the conflict and get israel to stop its incursion - they would lose any future iranian support. This is typical...

So, might DOES make right? Well then international law is for suckers I suppose. So why even bring up agreements and obligations when the big boys make all the rules? And can break them as they see fit? Basically, you think Iran NEEDS a nuke to get some respect - they likely agree with you.

Hardly, alot of non-nuclear countries are respected, the ones that don't send in terrorist proxies to murder people...

Well... if Iran was somehow unique in that regard perhaps you would have a case, not to mention they allegedly fund movements that would exist in some form regardless of Iran's help.

Please provide a list of nations even slightly resembling what iran is doing...it is truly sad that it is even remotely arguable that iran needs to be militarily dealt with...

You also implied might makes right and those who can break the law may as well do so. Certainly the US is in NO position to point the finger at NPT violators or international law breakers.

That is your interpretation of my statements.