Time to attack iran

[goldcatt]

Here is a superb web site of persians, BY persians, of the people murdered by the regime, and those who have "disappeared"...

Faces of the Iranians killed and Arrested

Most likely a CIA or a Zionist backed and funded site.

Originally a UK publication, actually.

Now back under the bridge with you.

 

[Cold Fusion38]

I like pinatas.

 

[goldcatt]

I like pinatas.

 

[rhodescholar]

Ah Rhoad no answer huh?

Answer to what?

 

[rhodescholar]

How the hell am I an "unknown" quantity? I think I have made my position pretty clear.

Might as well give up, Cold. You're trying to converse with a person who thinks people care enough about it to create hundreds of sock puppets just to harass it.

Better to decide whether to ignore it or turn it into a pinata. Nothing else is a realistic option.

Except last week i was correct, and the admins blasted about 5 -10 sock puppets....and the more post BS you spew, the more you sound like JBeuk's ass crack all the time...

 

[goldcatt]

Seriously, the "crackdown" in Iran has nothing to do with the IRI's foreign policy. And while the regime is undeniably brutal, using the "crackdown" on a popular uprising as an excuse for yet another war is disingenuous at its finest.
The resistance is an internal matter, but one that puts wise policy on hold until we see what transpires. Then we deal with the reality that emerges, not with AIPAC-sponsored fantasyland. Take nothing off the table, but do nothing until we know what it is we're dealing with.
Unless of course you really think there's a big enough market for radioactive oil to replenish the trillions of dollars and make up for the hundreds of thousands or perhaps millions of lives we'd spend on choosing to begin WWIII. Then by all means, have at it. IMO, it's not worth it unless there is no other option.

 

[rhodescholar]

I'll bet someone will claim these are fake sites too :

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/09/world/middleeast/09iran.html?scp=2&sq=iran&st=cse

International Campaign for Human Rights in Iran – Killed and Detained Since 12 June

Iran admits election demonstrators were tortured | World news | The Guardian

According to this last article, hundreds of people are still being held - and that is what the fascists admit to...

And even better:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2009/jun/30/iran-protest

"Hundreds, probably thousands, have been arrested in Iran since the
presidential election on 12 June. Human rights and campaign groups such as Human Rights Watch, the Campaign for Human Rights in Iran and Reporters Without Borders have been collecting and publishing the names of those dead or detained."

Hey sunni scumbag, is the Guardian a zionist publication too, you worthless fucking ****?

 

[Cold Fusion38]

Rhoad answer to WHAT? Answer to how many UN mandates that Israel has violated!

 

[rhodescholar]

Seriously, the "crackdown" in Iran has nothing to do with the IRI's foreign policy. And while the regime is undeniably brutal, using the "crackdown" on a popular uprising as an excuse for yet another war is disingenuous at its finest.
The resistance is an internal matter, but one that puts wise policy on hold until we see what transpires. Then we deal with the reality that emerges, not with AIPAC-sponsored fantasyland. Take nothing off the table, but do nothing until we know what it is we're dealing with.
Unless of course you really think there's a big enough market for radioactive oil to replenish the trillions of dollars and make up for the hundreds of thousands or perhaps millions of lives we'd spend on choosing to begin WWIII. Then by all means, have at it. IMO, it's not worth it unless there is no other option.

That's fine by me, remember that the next time you call for a "humanitarian mission" to save lives...my response will be: "fuck you, its not our problem, let them rot..."

Ron Paul moronicism at its finest...

 

[rhodescholar]

Rhoad answer to WHAT? Answer to how many UN mandates that Israel has violated!

Why is that relevant in an iran thread? You want to discuss israel, go start your own thread.

 

[Cold Fusion38]

Oh it is completely relevant........Because ISRAEL can do whatever the F they want with NO consequenses. Iran on the other hand are being threatened by a country that is controlled by the US.

 

[L.K.Eder]

you confirmed that with your first try at sourcing.

Ok, fine. Lets stick to the RECENT crackdown. So the iri fuckers murder a few hundred, and thousands are missing, but that's alright?

no. it is not alright. it is also not alright to artificially inflate the body count to justify an attack on iran.

Its like listening to the holocaust deniers- "there were only THREE million killed - definitely NOT SIX million...

No it is not like that. It is like listening to the pre-Iraq war propaganda and listening to the excuses after no WMD were found.

Who gives a fuck?

Me.

Further, what is your point? That the animals running iran are not so monstrous?

No, see above.

you fucked up again.

Uh, how's that?

See above.

 

[goldcatt]

No it is not like that. It is like listening to the pre-Iraq war propaganda and listening to the excuses after no WMD were found.

Exactly like it.

 

[rhodescholar]

No it is not like that. It is like listening to the pre-Iraq war propaganda and listening to the excuses after no WMD were found.

Exactly like it.

I am not using murdered opposition to justify a war, I'm am using their illegal nuclear weapons program, along with their use of terrorism to de-stabilize the middle east.

If you genuinely want an israeli-arab peace agreement to ever hold, the current iranian regime cannot continue, it is that simple. It is a rejectionist gov't whose sole existence is to stay in power and use the israeli conflict to not only re-direct its population's anger, but to try and curry favor with the arab street.

There will never, ever be a sustainable peace with israel so long as the iranians continue to stoke the flames using hamas and hezbollah.

 

[rhodescholar]

Oh it is completely relevant........Because ISRAEL can do whatever the F they want with NO consequenses. Iran on the other hand are being threatened by a country that is controlled by the US.

Soooooock puppppppppet.....and with idiocies like this, they wonder why i do not respond...

 

[Dr Grump]

At the end of the day leave Iran to the ME...keep your nose out of their affairs...

 

[goldcatt]

No it is not like that. It is like listening to the pre-Iraq war propaganda and listening to the excuses after no WMD were found.

Exactly like it.

I am not using murdered opposition to justify a war, I'm am using their illegal nuclear weapons program, along with their use of terrorism to de-stabilize the middle east.

If you genuinely want an israeli-arab peace agreement to ever hold, the current iranian regime cannot continue, it is that simple. It is a rejectionist gov't whose sole existence is to stay in power and use the israeli conflict to not only re-direct its population's anger, but to try and curry favor with the arab street.

There will never, ever be a sustainable peace with israel so long as the iranians continue to stoke the flames using hamas and hezbollah.

You've missed my entire argument, if you think any of this post beyond the first paragraph is something I disagree with.

What I disagree with is the whole Chicken Little rush to bomb the crap out of people you claim sympathy for because their government is brutal, especially at a time when they are attempting to overthrow said brutal government and accomplish many if not all of our goals for us without us spending a dime or bleeding a drop.

We keep everything firmly on the table out in the open and wait to see who and what we're dealing with instead of pulling yet another "oopsie".

 

[rhodescholar]

You've missed my entire argument, if you think any of this post beyond the first paragraph is something I disagree with.

What I disagree with is the whole Chicken Little rush to bomb the crap out of people you claim sympathy for because their government is brutal, especially at a time when they are attempting to overthrow said brutal government and accomplish many if not all of our goals for us without us spending a dime or bleeding a drop.

We keep everything firmly on the table out in the open and wait to see who and what we're dealing with instead of pulling yet another "oopsie".

Let me be more precise with my language: I am not advocating a massive genocidal campaign to wipe out most of iran, I am in support of Gen. Fuld's recommended plan of action to destroy their nuclear facilities. If iran decides to turn it into a larger conflagration, then all bets are off, and I would then expand the campaign to eliminate their military capabilities.

 

[goldcatt]

You've missed my entire argument, if you think any of this post beyond the first paragraph is something I disagree with.

What I disagree with is the whole Chicken Little rush to bomb the crap out of people you claim sympathy for because their government is brutal, especially at a time when they are attempting to overthrow said brutal government and accomplish many if not all of our goals for us without us spending a dime or bleeding a drop.

We keep everything firmly on the table out in the open and wait to see who and what we're dealing with instead of pulling yet another "oopsie".

Let me be more precise with my language: I am not advocating a massive genocidal campaign to wipe out most of iran, I am in support of Gen. Fuld's recommended plan of action to destroy their nuclear facilities. If iran decides to turn it into a larger conflagration, then all bets are off, and I would then expand the campaign to eliminate their military capabilities.

To be paid for how?

 

[rhodescholar]

To be paid for how?

Eliminating the laughingstock UHC plan that obama is seeking, reducing military acquisitions that do nothing except keep jobs in certain congressman's districts for equipment that noone needs - and the army does not want, close useless army bases, reduce overseas troops in Germany significantly and elsewhere they aren't needed, reduce purchases of other equipment not needed like 187 F-22s when far fewer are needed, stop government pork like anything that fucking turd Mutha seeks, reduce government spending on jetliners for congressman junkets, eliminate the printing of pennies, and collect some $$ from the arabs, who would stand to benefit even more than the israelis from the elimination of the iranian nuke program, for starters...