Time to attack iran

[Dr Grump]

The people who can hold an adult conversation on topic for more than 2 sentences do.

The people who disagree with me who are unable to debate on the facts, trash like KK, sunni, shogun, etc and conduct flyby trolling posts offer nothing of interest.

There are seemingly a shitload of puppets lately, as many who have attacked me lately are seemingly using very similar language. But since you keep pretending to "defend" KK, I'll ask you the same question:

If iran is blocking IAEA inspections, how can evidence be acquired?

Shoggie and Sunni I understand.But from where I'm sitting Kev is handing your arse to you on a plate.....

I don't give a shit if Iran are blocking IAEA inspections. How many inspections has the US had lately?

 

[rhodescholar]

Shoggie and Sunni I understand.But from where I'm sitting Kev is handing your arse to you on a plate.....

With lines that completely avoid the thread topic, like "you get better results with honey"? Is that your source to pass a judgement? Most bright people use facts to debate, not base decisions on personal opinions. I've defended people here who are as far left and politically opposed to me as humanly possible, because they stuck to the thread topic and used facts.

Saying that he is "handing your ass to me" says #1-your a sock puppet #2-no interest in facts, only BS...

I don't give a shit if Iran are blocking IAEA inspections. How many inspections has the US had lately?

What the US is doing or not doing is irrelevent to the iran question. As so many far leftists on the other thread pointed out, Israel cannot claim its behavior is not bad because it is better than someone else's, an argument I will happily use here...

Iran cannot claim it is not going to allow inspections because another country does or does not allow them.

Since you asked about inspections in the US:

DEFENSE TREATY INSPECTION READINESS PROGRAM

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/...aea-inspections-hopes-others-will-follow.html

My point was that evidence, as demanded by some poster, cannot be obtained if the IAEA inspections are illegally blocked.

That this fucking idiot moron continues to avoid this obvious fact - an act many liberals who are all emotion and no facts do - is hilarious.

 

[Shogun]

believe me, it is not a compliment.

rhodescholar simply cannot handle dissent. support his opinion, he will thank you and call you brilliant.
challenge his opinion, he will mount one of the sewer-rats near him and rain insults on you.

It is a compliment. There are many posters here who i disagree with, but we have had VERY civil, reasonable conversations - on may topics, and in many threads.

The problem with the trash like shogun, KK, sunni man etc, is that they are NOT even remotely interested in an intelligent conversation - only to insult/bait/troll.

its a little early in the week to win the fucking irony award, eh?

 

[L.K.Eder]

i thought about it one more time.

it is NOT time to attack iran.

 

[Shogun]

Wow, nobody's ever accused me of being a sock puppet before. I believe I'll sit back and watch this one. No offense to anyone involved, but your feud is none of my business and I don't know y'all well enough to take a side.

Can't get into it, but a douchebag was fucking with the forums last week using many puppet accounts, so I am now VERY cautious with new users... sorry about that, but that's what things have come to here...

HA! you'd think anyone who disagrees with you is a sockpuppet, idiot! Laughing at you makes Mondays a lot more fun.

 

[Shogun]

You'd know.

Joined up yet to go fight the good fight Cyber Warrior........?

All I know is what people have PM'd me... even in this thread K-**** is baiting... sick little turd that it is...

Didn't you JUST cry like a little bitch about name calling?

 

[Shogun]

Well I suppose it's possible that people have PM'd you to tell me how much they dislike me, but I'm going to doubt it. I don't know of anyone on this board that would be afraid to say what they think of anybody else in public. Also, why in the world would they go to you? A mod would be the obvious choice if people had that big of a problem with me.

I promised to not mention names, but suffice to say, many people not only dislike you, they think you are of very low intelligence.

I'd rather be hated and respected than detested and thought of as an idiot.

Your continued baiting and refusal to discuss iran's blocking of IAEA inspections doesn't help much.

HAHAHA!

You are bluffing, you fucking LIAR!

names.. lets see em.

 

[Shogun]

Actually, I repped him for his patience in not attacking you. I've seen a lot of vulgar trolls, but you're really something else.

I'd bet $100 this is another sock puppet... ;(

SOCK PUUUPPETS EEEVERYWHEREEEE!

 

[Shogun]

you should look into some of Chris' threads. he is the daftest **** on the board, followed closely by Old Rocks.

The whole idea of engaging in web forums is to try and locate intelligent people, willing to enter good conversations, and to learn things.

Unfortunately, this forum has a number of pieces of shit that should, IMO, have been excised a while back, and the ones in my sig should have been the first to go.

There are enough assholes here that one does not need to go seek out the worst amongst them...

I guess that is too fucking bad for you, pussy. Your opinion means two things: jack and shit.



I guess it is time for you to take your bitch ass back to www.deepthroatajoo.com, eh?

 

[Shogun]

Saying that he is "handing your ass to me" says #1-your a sock puppet #2-no interest in facts, only BS...


now GUMP is a sock puppet too!




Anyone else getting the voice of Cobra Commander when you Rhode's posts?

"SSSsssssssooock Puppppettttsssssssss!!"

 

[Cold Fusion38]

Attacking Iran would be a REALLY stupid thing to do.

 

[rdean]

If iran blocks inspections, how can evidence be acquired?

I'm trying to figure out why it's OK for us to bully other countries halfway around the world into letting "inspectors" in. We don't let "inspectors" into our country.
That is why we practice "diplomacy", something Republicans aren't very good at.
Why? Because God is on their side.

 

[rhodescholar]

I'm trying to figure out why it's OK for us to bully other countries halfway around the world into letting "inspectors" in. We don't let "inspectors" into our country.That is why we practice "diplomacy", something Republicans aren't very good at.
Why? Because God is on their side.

WTF? I just posted how the US is EXPANDING their IAEA inspections throughout the US...did you even bother to read it?

 

[Cold Fusion38]

rdean.......I wonder how many more elections like 2000 we will have to have before the UN steps in to make sure our elections are not fixed.

 

[L.K.Eder]

IAEA - Safeguards Statement for 2008

1. During 2008, the Director General submitted four reports to the Board of Governors on the implementation of Iran´s comprehensive safeguards agreement and relevant provisions of United Nations Security Council resolutions (GOV/2008/4, GOV/2008/15, GOV/2008/38 and GOV/2008/59). Iran provided the Agency with access to declared nuclear material and provided the required nuclear material accounting reports in connection with declared nuclear material and facilities. The Agency was able to verify the non-diversion of the declared nuclear material in Iran in 2008.
2. Since March 2007, Iran has not implemented the modified text of its Subsidiary Arrangements General Part, Code 3.1, on the early provision of design information. Iran has continued to object to the Agency´s carrying out of design information verification (DIV) at the Iran Nuclear Research Reactor (IR-40) and did not permit the Agency to carry out the DIV scheduled for October 2008 at that facility.
3. In 2008, Iran and the Agency continued to address issues related to Iran´s past nuclear activities. At the end of 2008, there remained a number of outstanding issues that need to be clarified since they give rise to concern about possible military dimensions to Iran´s nuclear programme. These issues relate to the alleged studies on the green salt project, high explosives testing and the design of a missile re-entry vehicle; the circumstances of the acquisition of the uranium metal document; procurement and research and development (R&D) activities of military related institutes and companies that could be nuclear related; and the production of nuclear equipment and components by companies belonging to defence industries. Iran has not provided substantive information or access to relevant documentation, locations or individuals that would have allowed the Agency to make progress on these issues.
4. Unless Iran implements the above transparency measures and the Additional Protocol, as required by the Security Council, the Agency will not be in a position to provide credible assurance about the absence of undeclared nuclear material and activities in Iran.
5. Contrary to the decisions of the United Nations Security Council, Iran did not implement the additional protocol and did not suspend its enrichment related activities in 2008, having continued with the operation of the Pilot Fuel Enrichment Plant and the construction and operation of the Fuel Enrichment Plant at Natanz. Iran also continued its work on heavy water related projects, including the construction of a heavy water moderated research reactor at Arak. There was no indication of reprocessing related activities at any declared facilities in Iran in 2008.

It is my opinion that Iran is on the way to develop a nuclear weapon.

And why not, history has shown that you are on the safe side as soon as you forced your way into the nuclear club. no matter how. so of course, they want to be a member of this club.

It is also my opinion that a nuclear Iran would not do anything with those weapons. They are NOT crazy. But they saw what happened to the neighbors.

 

[Cold Fusion38]

Iran will have their hands tied if they get a nuclear weapon. It is a weapon that does nothing but ensure your total destruction if it's used.

 

[rhodescholar]

LKE, good post above, it wasn't too hard for someone to find the answer to my question now, was it?

It is my opinion that Iran is on the way to develop a nuclear weapon.

Manufacturing a nuclear weapon is a direct violation of the NPT treaty, and could be considered an act of war. Since iran has already been sanctioned 3 times for NPT violations, iran could then potentially be referred as a violator of both article 6 and 7 of the UN charter, which would legally allow for a war to be initiated against them...

and why not, history has shown that you are on the safe side as soon as you forced your way into the nuclear club. no matter how. so of course, they want to be a member of this club. It is also my opinion that a nuclear Iran would not do anything with those weapons. They are NOT crazy. But they saw what happened to the neighbors.

Are you certain they would not use one - or absolutely sure they would not hand one over to one of their terror proxies?

Since they do not allow inspections, there is no way to track the uranium back to them - they could even drop one themselves on Paris from an iranian plane, and you couldn't prove it was them, since noone has catalogued their uranium...

 

[del]

LKE, good post above, it wasn't too hard for someone to find the answer to my question now, was it?

It is my opinion that Iran is on the way to develop a nuclear weapon.

Manufacturing a nuclear weapon is a direct violation of the NPT treaty, and could be considered an act of war. Since iran has already been sanctioned 3 times for NPT violations, iran could then potentially be referred as a violator of both article 6 and 7 of the UN charter, which would legally allow for a war to be initiated against them...

and why not, history has shown that you are on the safe side as soon as you forced your way into the nuclear club. no matter how. so of course, they want to be a member of this club. It is also my opinion that a nuclear Iran would not do anything with those weapons. They are NOT crazy. But they saw what happened to the neighbors.

Are you certain they would not use one - or absolutely sure they would not hand one over to one of their terror proxies?

Since they do not allow inspections, there is no way to track the uranium back to them - they could even drop one themselves on Paris from an iranian plane, and you couldn't prove it was them, since noone has catalogued their uranium...

kinda like israel, huh?

 

[rhodescholar]

For further reading, and from just this past month, from LKE's link:

http://www.iaea.org/Publications/Documents/Board/2009/gov2009-35.pdf

C. Heavy Water Reactor Related Projects
7. The Agency last visited the Iran Nuclear Research Reactor (IR-40) in August 2008
(GOV/2008/59, para. 9). On 22 April 2009, the Agency again requested access to carry out design information verification (DIV) at the IR-40. In a letter dated 3 May 2009 referring to previous communications concerning the submission of design information, Iran informed the Agency that it would not permit the Agency to carry out the DIV.

8. Iran’s refusal to grant the Agency access to IR-40 could adversely impact the Agency’s ability to carry out effective safeguards at that facility, and has made it difficult for the Agency to report further on the construction of the reactor, as requested by the Security Council. The completion of the containment structure over the reactor building, and the roofing for the other buildings on the site, makes it impossible to assess further progress on construction inside the buildings without access to the facility. However, satellite imagery suggests that construction is continuing at the reactor site.

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Further down:

E. Possible Military Dimensions
17. As detailed in the Director General’s previous reports to the Board (most recently in GOV/2009/8, para. 15), there remain a number of outstanding issues which give rise to concerns, and which need to be clarified to exclude the existence of possible military dimensions to Iran’s nuclear programme. As indicated in those reports, for the Agency to be able to address these concerns and make progress in its efforts to provide assurance about the absence of undeclared nuclear material and activities in Iran, it is essential that Iran, inter alia, implement the Additional Protocol and provide the information and access requested by the Agency. The Agency has still not received a positive reply from Iran in connection with the Agency’s requests for access to relevant information, documentation, locations or individuals.

F. Summary
19. As has been reported in previous reports, the Agency continues to verify the non-diversion of declared nuclear material in Iran. 20. Iran has not, however, implemented the modified text of its Subsidiary Arrangements General Part, Code 3.1, on the early provision of design information, and has continued to refuse to permit the Agency to carry out design information verification at IR-40.
21. Iran has not suspended its enrichment related activities or its work on heavy water related projects as required by the Security Council.
22. Contrary to the request of the Board of Governors and the requirements of the Security Council, Iran has neither implemented the Additional Protocol nor cooperated with the Agency in connection with the remaining issues which give rise to concerns and which need to be clarified to exclude the possibility of military dimensions to Iran’s nuclear programme. Unless Iran implements the Additional Protocol and clarifies the outstanding issues, the Agency will not be in a position to provide credible assurance about the absence of undeclared nuclear material and activities in Iran.

 

[rhodescholar]

kinda like israel, huh?

#1-please show me where israel signed the NPT

#2-as you and the other posters screamed in the other thread - what another nation does or does not do has no bearing here...if you are going to use that argument to attack israel for human rights violations, i am going to bash people over the head with it when it suits me to do so. Consistency counts, sweetie