Thread for Zionists who Deny the Existence of the Palestinian Christians and Muslims

[montelatici]

Besides the fact that this is in Latin so we can't read it, what does this have to do with the price of tea in China? What point are you trying to make?

How dumb are you ForeverDumb436?

The point cannot be more obvious. If you can't reply to your own question, then you are either a zionist shill or have been brainwashed so heavily since childhood, that any further posts from you are rendered useless.

No one ever denied that there was a region called Palestine. Yet the residents themselves never saw themselves as having a national identity. rylah has posted more recent documents than this Latin one, where the residents called Palestine a part of Southern Syria. It was only in 1967 (or perhaps 1964 when the PLO was formed) that they suddenly became a People.

This Zionist propaganda persists, it is turbocharged cognizant dissonance. Besides 3-4th century residents of Palaestina Prima calling themselves Palestinians (Palestinae in Latin) in manuscripts, besides Ottoman era Palestinian Arabic Instruction books, besides Ottoman era postal stamps calling the place Palestine, besides correspondence from The Palestinian Delegation in London to the British Colonial Office in 1922 where the Palestinians call themselves the "people of Palestine" what else can cure the brainwashing. Probably nothing.

If there were no Palestinian people during the Ottoman period, why would there be a Palestinian Arabic manual written in 1909?

1916 postmark Palestine (Ottoman era)

From 1922 corrrespondence from the Palestinian Delegation in London, to the British Colonial Office:

"If to-day the People of Palestine assented to any constitution which fell short of giving them full control of their own affairs they would be in the position of agreeing to an instrument of Government which might, and probably would, be used to smother their national life under a flood of alien immigration......................"

https://unispal.un.org/DPA/DPR/unis...48a7e5584ee1403485256cd8006c3fbe?OpenDocument

 

[Hollie]

Besides the fact that this is in Latin so we can't read it, what does this have to do with the price of tea in China? What point are you trying to make?

How dumb are you ForeverDumb436?

The point cannot be more obvious. If you can't reply to your own question, then you are either a zionist shill or have been brainwashed so heavily since childhood, that any further posts from you are rendered useless.

No one ever denied that there was a region called Palestine. Yet the residents themselves never saw themselves as having a national identity. rylah has posted more recent documents than this Latin one, where the residents called Palestine a part of Southern Syria. It was only in 1967 (or perhaps 1964 when the PLO was formed) that they suddenly became a People.

This Zionist propaganda persists, it is turbocharged cognizant dissonance. Besides 3-4th century residents of Palaestina Prima calling themselves Palestinians (Palestinae in Latin) in manuscripts, besides Ottoman era Palestinian Arabic Instruction books, besides Ottoman era postal stamps calling the place Palestine, besides correspondence from The Palestinian Delegation in London to the British Colonial Office in 1922 where the Palestinians call themselves the "people of Palestine" what else can cure the brainwashing. Probably nothing.

If there were no Palestinian people during the Ottoman period, why would there be a Palestinian Arabic manual written in 1909?

1916 postmark Palestine (Ottoman era)

From 1922 corrrespondence from the Palestinian Delegation in London, to the British Colonial Office:

"If to-day the People of Palestine assented to any constitution which fell short of giving them full control of their own affairs they would be in the position of agreeing to an instrument of Government which might, and probably would, be used to smother their national life under a flood of alien immigration......................"

https://unispal.un.org/DPA/DPR/unis...48a7e5584ee1403485256cd8006c3fbe?OpenDocument

Your invented "country of Pal'istan" was actually a land area that included part of what is now Jordan.

I will require that you cut and paste the photos above at least two dozen more times when accompanied by your shrill whining.

 

[montelatici]

The Europeans are focused on a peaceful solution. The solution can't be equitable as the Jews after the British supported colonization, are now a reality on the ground and the Palestinians have to accept that Jews now represent a substantial presence and they are going nowhere, however, the dynamic that Jews must rule over non-Jews is not a solution.

Maybe, maybe some Europeans are focused on peace, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt (putting aside their treatment of Jews).
But their judgment of the situation in ME is totally fogged by their projection of their own European values on ME people.

Why can't Arab Palestinians live in a Jewish homeland?
It actually brings them closer to their origins, language and culture.
If anything it's the Arabic culture and Islam that are the markers of their long occupation...not Hebrew, Arameic languages or the original Israelite names of ancient cities.

Here is the answer:

 

[Hollie]

Here is the answer.

 

[rylah]

The Europeans are focused on a peaceful solution. The solution can't be equitable as the Jews after the British supported colonization, are now a reality on the ground and the Palestinians have to accept that Jews now represent a substantial presence and they are going nowhere, however, the dynamic that Jews must rule over non-Jews is not a solution.

Maybe, maybe some Europeans are focused on peace, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt (putting aside their treatment of Jews).
But their judgment of the situation in ME is totally fogged by their projection of their own European values on ME people.

Why can't Arab Palestinians live in a Jewish homeland?
It actually brings them closer to their origins, language and culture.
If anything it's the Arabic culture and Islam that are the markers of their long occupation...not Hebrew, Arameic languages or the original Israelite names of ancient cities.

Here is the answer:

So Christians prefer Arab Muslim colonialism over the culture of the original Christians? They prefer Arabic over Hebrew-Aramaic?

I don't buy it. Are they suffering from the Stokholm syndrome?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Here is the answer.

 

[montelatici]

The Europeans are focused on a peaceful solution. The solution can't be equitable as the Jews after the British supported colonization, are now a reality on the ground and the Palestinians have to accept that Jews now represent a substantial presence and they are going nowhere, however, the dynamic that Jews must rule over non-Jews is not a solution.

Maybe, maybe some Europeans are focused on peace, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt (putting aside their treatment of Jews).
But their judgment of the situation in ME is totally fogged by their projection of their own European values on ME people.

Why can't Arab Palestinians live in a Jewish homeland?
It actually brings them closer to their origins, language and culture.
If anything it's the Arabic culture and Islam that are the markers of their long occupation...not Hebrew, Arameic languages or the original Israelite names of ancient cities.

Here is the answer:

So Christians prefer Arab Muslim colonialism over the culture of the original Christians? They prefer Arabic over Hebrew-Aramaic?

I don't buy it. Are they suffering from the Stokholm syndrome?

The language of Roman/Byzantine Palestine was Greek. Once the Romans were no longer the rulers it was advantageous to speak and write the language of the new rulers which, in fact, was closer to the language of their ancestors, Aramaic. And, the Palestinian Christians of today, like the Palestinian Muslims,probably, cprefer their traditional culture over the central European culture brought by the European colonists.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

The Europeans are focused on a peaceful solution. The solution can't be equitable as the Jews after the British supported colonization, are now a reality on the ground and the Palestinians have to accept that Jews now represent a substantial presence and they are going nowhere, however, the dynamic that Jews must rule over non-Jews is not a solution.

Maybe, maybe some Europeans are focused on peace, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt (putting aside their treatment of Jews).
But their judgment of the situation in ME is totally fogged by their projection of their own European values on ME people.

Why can't Arab Palestinians live in a Jewish homeland?
It actually brings them closer to their origins, language and culture.
If anything it's the Arabic culture and Islam that are the markers of their long occupation...not Hebrew, Arameic languages or the original Israelite names of ancient cities.

Here is the answer:

So Christians prefer Arab Muslim colonialism over the culture of the original Christians? They prefer Arabic over Hebrew-Aramaic?

I don't buy it. Are they suffering from the Stokholm syndrome?

The language of Roman/Byzantine Palestine was Greek. Once the Romans were no longer the rulers it was advantageous to speak and write the language of the new rulers which, in fact, was closer to the language of their ancestors, Aramaic. And, the Palestinian Christians of today, like the Palestinian Muslims,probably, cprefer their traditional culture over the central European culture brought by the European colonists.

While Hebrew, Aramaic and Arabic are all Semitic languages (Shalom Aleichem sounds like Salaam Aleikum), nevertheless Aramaic and Hebrew share the same letters and characters, which isn't the case with Arabic.

As for culture, more than half the population of Israel now is Mizrahi. Falafel, hummus and tahini are eaten by more Israelis than gefilte fish and kugel. Besides, Arab culture and dress and language is predominant in 22 countries. Israel is a blend of Middle Eastern and European culture, and there's nothing wrong with that. It's a result of being in close proximity with the Israelis that the West Bank Palestinians and Jordanians have become more Westernized. That's not a bad thing, IMO.

 

[montelatici]

So, explain to Rylah that it is not Stockholm syndrome. Christian Palestinians and Muslims Palestinians are a people with their own culture and their own version of Arabic.

 

[Shusha]

And maybe someone can explain to monte (and Eloy, Challenger, Tinmore, etc) that Jews are a people with their own culture and their own language.

 

[montelatici]

And maybe someone can explain to monte (and Eloy, Challenger, Tinmore, etc) that Jews are a people with their own culture and their own language.

No, there is hardly any cultural similarity between Mizrahi, Ethiopian, Sephardic (Spanish) Jews, Ashkenazi Jews, Italian Jews etc. and they speak different languages, unless they are in Israel. Some (those outside Israel) may understand Hebrew, like some Roman Catholics and Greek Orthodox speak Latin and Greek for religious purposes.

 

[montelatici]

St. George was a Palestinian, and has been the patron saint of Palestine since the end of the 4th century. The Feast of Saint George is celebrated by Palestinian Christians and some Muslims. And the Zionist propagandists keep repeating that the Palestinians either don't exist or didn't exist until invented in 1967.

"Some Palestinian Muslims, especially those from al-Khadr, also follow the practices.

"It's not only the Christians that appreciate him, the Muslims also feel the power and the miracles of St George," says Father Ananias.

"When the church was built [in the Byzantine period] the neighbours were Christians. I don't know when the local people became Muslims, but under the Turkish [Ottomans] they protected the monastery and remained very close."

An old woman wearing a traditional embroidered dress and the Islamic veil tells me: "We all believe in al-Khadr, even my husband. I made a vow to light a candle in al-Khadr church."

Why St George is a Palestinian hero - BBC News

 

[rylah]

And maybe someone can explain to monte (and Eloy, Challenger, Tinmore, etc) that Jews are a people with their own culture and their own language.

No, there is hardly any cultural similarity between Mizrahi, Ethiopian, Sephardic (Spanish) Jews, Ashkenazi Jews, Italian Jews etc. and they speak different languages, unless they are in Israel. Some (those outside Israel) may understand Hebrew, like some Roman Catholics and Greek Orthodox speak Latin and Greek for religious purposes.

Actually there's a striking similarity and preservation of the Jewish culture among the furthest diaspora communities.
Jews from Yemen came with the same locks on the side as Jews from Europe.

The language those communities used, even when using foreign words, were written using the Hebrew alphabet. They didn't just speak European languages, but Yiddish full of Hebrew words, again written using Hebrew letters. So was Judeo-Arabic and so was initially Ladino or Judeo-Spanish written using the same Hebrew alphabet.

Here's Yiddish hand writing:

And a manuscript from Yemen:

We could go further and look at how those 'Hebrized' laugh: ) local languages were used in newspapers. Or how songs Jews wrote along the history all had similar motives and structure.

Funny how You claim Palestinians preferred Greek, then Arabic...but seemed to 'forget' about the native languages, while Jews in the diaspora kept attachment to Hebrew.

Are we turning another thread about Palestinian identity into a thread about Jews?

 

[montelatici]

And maybe someone can explain to monte (and Eloy, Challenger, Tinmore, etc) that Jews are a people with their own culture and their own language.

No, there is hardly any cultural similarity between Mizrahi, Ethiopian, Sephardic (Spanish) Jews, Ashkenazi Jews, Italian Jews etc. and they speak different languages, unless they are in Israel. Some (those outside Israel) may understand Hebrew, like some Roman Catholics and Greek Orthodox speak Latin and Greek for religious purposes.

Actually there's a striking similarity and preservation of the Jewish culture among the furthest diaspora communities.
Jews from Yemen came with the same locks on the side as Jews from Europe.

The language those communities used, even when using foreign words, were written using the Hebrew alphabet. They didn't just speak European languages, but Yiddish full of Hebrew words, again written using Hebrew letters. So was Judeo-Arabic and so was initially Ladino or Judeo-Spanish written using the same Hebrew alphabet.

Here's Yiddish hand writing:

And a manuscript from Yemen:

We could go further and look at how those 'Hebrized' laugh: ) local languages were used in newspapers. Or how songs Jews wrote along the history all had similar motives and structure.

Funny how You claim Palestinians preferred Greek, then Arabic...but seemed to 'forget' about the native languages, while Jews in the diaspora kept attachment to Hebrew.

Are we turning another thread about Palestinian identity into a thread about Jews?

You are claiming that an Italian that practices Judaism is closer culturally to an Eastern European that practices Judaism than to fellow Italians. That is simply untrue. The only thing they have in common is their religion. Just like an Irish Catholic and an Italian Catholic.

But go on with your propaganda.

 

[rylah]

St. George was a Palestinian, and has been the patron saint of Palestine since the end of the 4th century. The Feast of Saint George is celebrated by Palestinian Christians and some Muslims. And the Zionist propagandists keep repeating that the Palestinians either don't exist or didn't exist until invented in 1967.

"Some Palestinian Muslims, especially those from al-Khadr, also follow the practices.

"It's not only the Christians that appreciate him, the Muslims also feel the power and the miracles of St George," says Father Ananias.

"When the church was built [in the Byzantine period] the neighbours were Christians. I don't know when the local people became Muslims, but under the Turkish [Ottomans] they protected the monastery and remained very close."

An old woman wearing a traditional embroidered dress and the Islamic veil tells me: "We all believe in al-Khadr, even my husband. I made a vow to light a candle in al-Khadr church."

Why St George is a Palestinian hero - BBC News

Not denying there were Christians or Muslims in the land. but it was SYRIA... You could stump Your feet all You want but the Palestinians themselves declare so.

"George was born to a Gerontios and Polychronia, a Roman officer and a Greek native of Lydda. Both were Christians from noble families of the Anici and George, Georgios in the original Greek, was raised to follow their faith. "

St. George - Saints & Angels - Catholic Online

 

[montelatici]

St. George was a Palestinian, and has been the patron saint of Palestine since the end of the 4th century. The Feast of Saint George is celebrated by Palestinian Christians and some Muslims. And the Zionist propagandists keep repeating that the Palestinians either don't exist or didn't exist until invented in 1967.

"Some Palestinian Muslims, especially those from al-Khadr, also follow the practices.

"It's not only the Christians that appreciate him, the Muslims also feel the power and the miracles of St George," says Father Ananias.

"When the church was built [in the Byzantine period] the neighbours were Christians. I don't know when the local people became Muslims, but under the Turkish [Ottomans] they protected the monastery and remained very close."

An old woman wearing a traditional embroidered dress and the Islamic veil tells me: "We all believe in al-Khadr, even my husband. I made a vow to light a candle in al-Khadr church."

Why St George is a Palestinian hero - BBC News

Not denying there were Christians or Muslims in the land. but it was SYRIA... You could stump Your feet all You want but the Palestinians themselves declare so.

"George was born to a Gerontios and Polychronia, a Roman officer and a Greek native of Lydda. Both were Christians from noble families of the Anici and George, Georgios in the original Greek, was raised to follow their faith. "

St. George - Saints & Angels - Catholic Online

It was called Palaestina Prima. George grew up in a typical Christian family in the Holy Land in the Third Century AD. His mother was born in Lydda, the Israeli town of Lod.

 

[rylah]

And maybe someone can explain to monte (and Eloy, Challenger, Tinmore, etc) that Jews are a people with their own culture and their own language.

No, there is hardly any cultural similarity between Mizrahi, Ethiopian, Sephardic (Spanish) Jews, Ashkenazi Jews, Italian Jews etc. and they speak different languages, unless they are in Israel. Some (those outside Israel) may understand Hebrew, like some Roman Catholics and Greek Orthodox speak Latin and Greek for religious purposes.

Actually there's a striking similarity and preservation of the Jewish culture among the furthest diaspora communities.
Jews from Yemen came with the same locks on the side as Jews from Europe.

The language those communities used, even when using foreign words, were written using the Hebrew alphabet. They didn't just speak European languages, but Yiddish full of Hebrew words, again written using Hebrew letters. So was Judeo-Arabic and so was initially Ladino or Judeo-Spanish written using the same Hebrew alphabet.

Here's Yiddish hand writing:

And a manuscript from Yemen:

We could go further and look at how those 'Hebrized' laugh: ) local languages were used in newspapers. Or how songs Jews wrote along the history all had similar motives and structure.

Funny how You claim Palestinians preferred Greek, then Arabic...but seemed to 'forget' about the native languages, while Jews in the diaspora kept attachment to Hebrew.

Are we turning another thread about Palestinian identity into a thread about Jews?

You are claiming that an Italian that practices Judaism is closer culturally to an Eastern European that practices Judaism than to fellow Italians. That is simply untrue. The only thing they have in common is their religion. Just like an Irish Catholic and an Italian Catholic.

But go on with your propaganda.

Jews in Europe wrote in German/Russian/Spanish using Hebrew letters. Jews in Yemen in Arabic using Hebrew letters, Jews in Morocco wrote using Hebrew as well.

Palestinians preferred Greek, Roman and Arabic

 

[rylah]

St. George was a Palestinian, and has been the patron saint of Palestine since the end of the 4th century. The Feast of Saint George is celebrated by Palestinian Christians and some Muslims. And the Zionist propagandists keep repeating that the Palestinians either don't exist or didn't exist until invented in 1967.

"Some Palestinian Muslims, especially those from al-Khadr, also follow the practices.

"It's not only the Christians that appreciate him, the Muslims also feel the power and the miracles of St George," says Father Ananias.

"When the church was built [in the Byzantine period] the neighbours were Christians. I don't know when the local people became Muslims, but under the Turkish [Ottomans] they protected the monastery and remained very close."

An old woman wearing a traditional embroidered dress and the Islamic veil tells me: "We all believe in al-Khadr, even my husband. I made a vow to light a candle in al-Khadr church."

Why St George is a Palestinian hero - BBC News

Not denying there were Christians or Muslims in the land. but it was SYRIA... You could stump Your feet all You want but the Palestinians themselves declare so.

"George was born to a Gerontios and Polychronia, a Roman officer and a Greek native of Lydda. Both were Christians from noble families of the Anici and George, Georgios in the original Greek, was raised to follow their faith. "

St. George - Saints & Angels - Catholic Online

It was called Palaestina Prima. George grew up in a typical Christian family in the Holy Land in the Third Century AD. His mother was born in Lydda, the Israeli town of Lod.

You really try so hard not to see the evident

 

[montelatici]

Quite the opposite, you are spreading propaganda, I present the facts. The Christianization of Palestine had very little to do with Jews, the majority of the people had long become adherents to Roman religions (paganism) before becoming Christians.

 

[rylah]

And yet Jews have finished writing the Jerusalem Talmud during that time. While the 'Palestinians' were deep into Greek and who knows what...