Thoughts On The Debate Between Trump vs Biden and Trump vs Wallace

Trump behaved like a loud, obnoxious bully

He must have won over voters who want a loud, obnoxious bully for President

Everyone else?
Not so much

You see there is a very fine line between coming across as Combative and Confident and being considered by others to be a Bully, it's such a very fine line it's difficult to walk, I think from a Non-Partisan perspective that mid-way through the debate The Donald should have toned it down a bit and thought of the Independents and the Undecideds who were watching.

The Donald could have switched from Combative Mode into Energetic and Confident Mode and still got his points across.

I also would prefer a Free Form type of Debating myself and not something so rigidly constructed as Specific Questions on Specific Topics, a Free Form type of Debating illustrates a Candidates ability to think on their feet and to expand on issues and Ad Lib about things.
 
The debate may have been such a hot mess last night that it may have dissuaded undecided voters from having any part in the election.

If that’s Trump’s intent, he’s smarter than I thought. But overall I think he’s just a bully.

Well from a purely entertainment perspective, it was VERY entertaining, you had two men who are over the age of 70 years in age and they were shouting over each other and you had Biden calling Trump a "clown" and telling him to "shut up man", I mean it was VERY entertaining, it was like a completely bizarro episode of "The Odd Couple" or something.
The one entertaining moment might be the shut up man line. And if that’s as memorable as it gets, Biden won. But I question anyone who called that entertaining. Nauseating is a better description.

I don't think Biden won, I also don't think Trump won. I don't think Biden won over ANY Undecideds with his performance and I don't think Trump won over ANY Undecideds with his performance and so we would call that a Draw and BOTH Candidates still being on Square One.

Now individual Polls MIGHT show some movement either way, but I think essentially it won't mean anything.
After seeing Trump’s behavior, you don’t think some undecided voters might not want to support him and therefore vote for Biden?

I don't think the Undecided voters are that excited by Biden either, I think they are concerned if Biden is up to the job, YOU might NOT choose to NOTICE how FRAIL and SICK Biden looks but trust me the Undecideds are NOTICING it.

I think there is a great possibility that many of the Undecideds will either NOT bother voting OR they will vote Third Party.
 
Don't disagree that there are some things Trump should do different in the next debate. He needs to focus more on his huge pre-pandemic policy success and how he will build on those during his next term. Trump did score big with Hispanic voters last night, according to Telemundo, Trump won the debate hugely with nearly 2/3 of viewers in favor of Trump, 66% / 34%.


That is an important metric, even if the Latina anchor said it was not scientific or something. If that 66% translated into even 40% of Latino votes for Trump, then he is reelected.
 
The debate may have been such a hot mess last night that it may have dissuaded undecided voters from having any part in the election.

If that’s Trump’s intent, he’s smarter than I thought. But overall I think he’s just a bully.

Well from a purely entertainment perspective, it was VERY entertaining, you had two men who are over the age of 70 years in age and they were shouting over each other and you had Biden calling Trump a "clown" and telling him to "shut up man", I mean it was VERY entertaining, it was like a completely bizarro episode of "The Odd Couple" or something.
The one entertaining moment might be the shut up man line. And if that’s as memorable as it gets, Biden won. But I question anyone who called that entertaining. Nauseating is a better description.

I don't think Biden won, I also don't think Trump won. I don't think Biden won over ANY Undecideds with his performance and I don't think Trump won over ANY Undecideds with his performance and so we would call that a Draw and BOTH Candidates still being on Square One.

Now individual Polls MIGHT show some movement either way, but I think essentially it won't mean anything.
After seeing Trump’s behavior, you don’t think some undecided voters might not want to support him and therefore vote for Biden?

I don't think the Undecided voters are that excited by Biden either, I think they are concerned if Biden is up to the job, YOU might NOT choose to NOTICE how FRAIL and SICK Biden looks but trust me the Undecideds are NOTICING it.

I think there is a great possibility that many of the Undecideds will either NOT bother voting OR they will vote Third Party.
How would you know what undecided voters are thinking?

The narrative is that Biden is mentally incapable of a coherent thought and if that’s the argument, he did just fine.
 
Chris Wallace did such a piss poor job of moderating. His questions put both Trump and Biden on the defensive which forced them to interrupt. For example, Wallace in a question to Trump says he has been trying to replace Obamacare but for 4 years has had no plan. Trump at that moment has to interrupt and correct Wallace. The question should be asked this way, "My President, you ran on getting rid of Obamacare. What have you done to reach that goal and what do you plan to do the next 4 years if elected?". Trump then gets 2 minutes and Biden gets 2 minutes. THEN, both candidates should get 30 seconds to 1 minute for rebuttal. Wallace did not allow rebuttal for either candidate most times and interjected while both were answering.
 
The debate may have been such a hot mess last night that it may have dissuaded undecided voters from having any part in the election.

If that’s Trump’s intent, he’s smarter than I thought. But overall I think he’s just a bully.

Well from a purely entertainment perspective, it was VERY entertaining, you had two men who are over the age of 70 years in age and they were shouting over each other and you had Biden calling Trump a "clown" and telling him to "shut up man", I mean it was VERY entertaining, it was like a completely bizarro episode of "The Odd Couple" or something.
The one entertaining moment might be the shut up man line. And if that’s as memorable as it gets, Biden won. But I question anyone who called that entertaining. Nauseating is a better description.

I don't think Biden won, I also don't think Trump won. I don't think Biden won over ANY Undecideds with his performance and I don't think Trump won over ANY Undecideds with his performance and so we would call that a Draw and BOTH Candidates still being on Square One.

Now individual Polls MIGHT show some movement either way, but I think essentially it won't mean anything.
After seeing Trump’s behavior, you don’t think some undecided voters might not want to support him and therefore vote for Biden?

I don't think the Undecided voters are that excited by Biden either, I think they are concerned if Biden is up to the job, YOU might NOT choose to NOTICE how FRAIL and SICK Biden looks but trust me the Undecideds are NOTICING it.

I think there is a great possibility that many of the Undecideds will either NOT bother voting OR they will vote Third Party.
How would you know what undecided voters are thinking?

The narrative is that Biden is mentally incapable of a coherent thought and if that’s the argument, he did just fine.

I am trying to think AS an Independent and NOT as a Rightist.

You seem to just be thinking as a Biden supporter.

I think that the Candidates should be allowed to ask each other their OWN questions and then think on their feet and respond. I do not support some Moderator choosing the Topics of the questions. The way you would see IF someone is coherent and in possession of their mental abilities is to be asked questions by their opponent and then have to answer thinking on their feet.
 
Pay attention to the wire, earpiece type of cheating story.

Well I'm not sure what the below is, what would you say it looks like?

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They are saying it's a crease in Biden's shirt, does this LOOK like a crease in Biden's shirt? The below is a different shot from later in the Debate than the above shot was taken, it shows more of whatever it is, a crease or something else?

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I think that the Candidates should be allowed to ask each other their OWN questions and then think on their feet and respond.

Good lord no. Questions should be asked by individuals who genuinely want an answer to a legitimate question.
 
First thing, I do not know what Section of the forum I should be posting this in, I am usually in the know about what Sections we should be posting threads in but this time I'm not sure. So mod's feel free to move this thread from Current Events into whatever other Section you think it would be better and/or more appropriate in Meister AyeCantSeeYou Coyote etc etc I am hoping this thread can remain civil and that there can be a constructive discussion, I would prefer if the thread did not descend into name calling and arguing.

Okay so my moral support is always and has always been with The Donald and I know that Biden and Co. would be not only a disaster for America but also a disaster for the Western World - for one thing the return to Military Intervention and the starting of New Wars in The Middle East and also the continuation of the Perpetual War Agenda.

From a purely Rightist Partisan perspective The Donald was great, he was full of energy and confidence and he got his points in and answered well and slapped Biden around where he should have. I understand WHY The Donald was interrupting all the time, he knew that Chris Wallace was NOT going to bring attention to things about Joe Biden and the takeover of The Democrat Party by the Far Left and Joe Biden insisting HE was The Democrat Party was absurd, he has ZERO to do with the Agenda of The Democrat Party, the Radical Leftists have hijacked and are running that party now.

The Donald's combative approach during the Debate will have played very well to The Donald's Base, to those ALREADY supporting him and so on this he succeeded very well.

I feel though that The Donald missed a great opportunity to appeal to the more IMPORTANT group of voters he NEEDS to bring to vote for him, this is the Independents, they are NOT Partisan, they are OUTSIDE the Base and I think The Donald's combative approach in the Debate will have been a turn off for them, they MIGHT also not be that impressed with Joe Biden's performance either, yes Biden didn't make any mega gaffes but very very often he appeared confused and rambling and several times didn't even KNOW what question he was answering and Chris Wallace had to TELL him what he was talking about was NOT what the question was about.

IF there is to be a Second Debate, and who knows IF this will happen after the mess of the Debate last night, then The Donald must not repeat how he was last night, he must be less combative, he must NOT interrupt as often and he must stick to just a handful of points and hammer away at them, these points in my opinion should be:

The Riots/Violence/Looting and the deliberate Standing Down of Democrat Mayors and Governors so the Riots/Violence/Looting can continue and The Donald should point out that IF Biden and Co get in then ALL of America will look like Portland, Seattle etc

The next point to hammer is The Donald should keep asking Biden to CONDEMN BLM and The Donald should LITERALLY refer to BLM as Black SUPREMACISTS.

The next point to hammer is Law and Order, the Democrats have gone AGAINST Law and Order and are ALLOWING feral mobs of BLM and their hangers on to do WHATEVER they want. The Democrats have shown a TOTAL HOSTILITY to the POLICE and Law Enforcement and The Donald needs to hammer away at this, there IS a reason why hardly ANY Law Enforcement have endorsed Biden/Harris.

The next point to hammer is when COVID-19 is mentioned again and Biden attempts to say 200,000 deaths are The Donald's fault then The Donald needs to keep bringing up the New York Governor DELIBERATELY putting peoples with Coronavirus in elderly peoples Care Homes, because this contributed a huge percentage of the COVID-19 death total.

The other point to hammer away at is that Biden is on board with the Agenda to destroy American Suburbs by eliminating Single Family Homes and flooding the American Suburbs with low cost housing to be filled by the EXACT types who hang around with the BLM Crowd. The Donald needs to basically FRIGHTEN the Independents and the Undecided into actually understanding how this Democrat plan would basically RUIN their lives and the lives of their children, how nice decent American Suburbs will be transformed into crime ridden Shit Holes full of all types of crime and danger and drug dealing and gang shootings ie. that peaceful American Suburbs will start to look like the WORST parts of Detroit and the WORST parts of Chicago etc

On The Donald performing and playing to his Base with his Debate performance I give him 10 out of 10.

On The Donald reaching out to the Independent voters who are undecided with his Debate performance I give him 2 out of 10.

As it stands in general The Donald is stuck somewhere on 43%-44% and this is not anything to get alarmed about, we must remember that in 2016 he got 46% of the Popular Vote and that was ENOUGH to win the Electoral College Vote. So The Donald only actually needs about 2% of the Independents and the Undecided Vote to get him in 2020 to the same 46% which again would be ENOUGH to again win the Electoral College Vote.

My last point is that Chris Wallace the Moderator was VERY unprofessional, he NEVER interrupted Joe Biden, he on occasion laughed along with Joe Biden and he frequently got into ACTUALLY DEBATING The Donald, it was SUPPOSED to be Trump vs Biden it was NOT supposed to be Trump vs Biden and then a second Debate between Trump vs Wallace.

I know that some on the Right will NOT like some of the things I have commented because they think you should not criticise, but NO actually that's what the Leftists do, they are Rubber Stamps who NEVER criticise ANY Leftist politician etc we on the Right are supposed to offer CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM of Rightist politicians, we praise them when we agree they are doing good, but at the times we think they have missed an opportunity and/or there is room for improvement on something we are supposed to offer CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM on how they can improve on an issue and/or on a point or in this case on how they can improve next time on appealing to the Independents and the Undecided voters.

You do NOT win by JUST playing to your Base, you win by WINNING over to YOUR side ENOUGH Independents and Undecideds and The Donald IF there is a Second Debate MUST play NOT to the Base again but he MUST play COMPLETELY to the Independents and Undecideds and get JUST ENOUGH of them to consider voting for him on November 3, this is MORE IMPORTANT than The Donald playing to his Base, his Base are ALREADY going to vote for him, it's the Independents and Undecided he NEEDS at least 2% of, he NEEDS to play to THEM.

my impression of wallace is------he seemed to DEFER to Biden because Biden is SO DAMNED
DECREPIT. Trump should have toned himself DOWN
 
I think that the Candidates should be allowed to ask each other their OWN questions and then think on their feet and respond.

Good lord no. Questions should be asked by individuals who genuinely want an answer to a legitimate question.

At my Universities that I attended, we had Debating Societies that I was a member of. What would happen is that sometimes there would be a General Topic and/or Theme that was put up for Debate and we would all Debate this, but also we had Free Form Debates where members could ask other members questions and then you'd respond, this was to encourage the ability to Think On Your Feet WITHOUT ANY notes or whatever and it was very good and productive.
 
Pay attention to the wire, earpiece type of cheating story.

Well I'm not sure what the below is, what would you say it looks like?

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They are saying it's a crease in Biden's shirt, does this LOOK like a crease in Biden's shirt? The below is a different shot from later in the Debate than the above shot was taken, it shows more of whatever it is, a crease or something else?

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When there are questions over a period of many years of this, people will say things. If Progs are pure as snow then they would not have the candidate wear something that can be questioned. That looks like a thin wire or a thread from a very bad suit.
 
Pay attention to the wire, earpiece type of cheating story.

IF The Donald suspected Joe Biden was wearing an earpiece - this because The Biden Campaign REFUSED to allow Biden to be searched Pre-Debate, The Donald agreed to be searched for an earpiece of course - then PERHAPS this could have been PART of the reason why The Donald was talking over Biden to get his OWN questions in, as a way of INTERFERING with Biden's ability to HEAR what was being told to him through his ear piece.
 
I think that the Candidates should be allowed to ask each other their OWN questions and then think on their feet and respond.

Good lord no. Questions should be asked by individuals who genuinely want an answer to a legitimate question.

At my Universities that I attended, we had Debating Societies that I was a member of. What would happen is that sometimes there would be a General Topic and/or Theme that was put up for Debate and we would all Debate this, but also we had Free Form Debates where members could ask other members questions and then you'd respond, this was to encourage the ability to Think On Your Feet WITHOUT ANY notes or whatever and it was very good and productive.
The debates are intended to help voters decide who to vote for. Questions should be relevant to the undecided voter.
 
Pay attention to the wire, earpiece type of cheating story.

Well I'm not sure what the below is, what would you say it looks like?

View attachment 395025

They are saying it's a crease in Biden's shirt, does this LOOK like a crease in Biden's shirt? The below is a different shot from later in the Debate than the above shot was taken, it shows more of whatever it is, a crease or something else?

View attachment 395026
When there are questions over a period of many years of this, people will say things. If Progs are pure as snow then they would not have the candidate wear something that can be questioned. That looks like a thin wire or a thread from a very bad suit.

This ALL could have been put to bed IF The Biden Campaign would have agreed to allow Biden to be searched for a listening device Pre-Debate, like The Donald was BUT The Biden Campaign REFUSED and so everyone now is left with the suspicion that Biden was wearing an ear piece and that in the picture is the wire from it.
 
Pay attention to the wire, earpiece type of cheating story.

Well I'm not sure what the below is, what would you say it looks like?

View attachment 395025

They are saying it's a crease in Biden's shirt, does this LOOK like a crease in Biden's shirt? The below is a different shot from later in the Debate than the above shot was taken, it shows more of whatever it is, a crease or something else?

View attachment 395026
When there are questions over a period of many years of this, people will say things. If Progs are pure as snow then they would not have the candidate wear something that can be questioned. That looks like a thin wire or a thread from a very bad suit.

This ALL could have been put to bed IF The Biden Campaign would have agreed to allow Biden to be searched for a listening device Pre-Debate, like The Donald was BUT The Biden Campaign REFUSED and so everyone now is left with the suspicion that Biden was wearing an ear piece and that in the picture is the wire from it.
Nothing ever puts anything to bed when you’re so conspiracy minded you’re freeze framing shadows on Biden’s shirt.
 
Don't disagree that there are some things Trump should do different in the next debate. He needs to focus more on his huge pre-pandemic policy success and how he will build on those during his next term. Trump did score big with Hispanic voters last night, according to Telemundo, Trump won the debate hugely with nearly 2/3 of viewers in favor of Trump, 66% / 34%.


Flash polls are highly inaccurate.
 

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