Those who want to ban all guns do not live in the real world

[cnm]

You claim their gun laws reduce their gun-related crime rates.

I believe I claimed reduced numbers of handguns and military style semi autos in circulation/private hands reduced firearm crime and firearm homicide rates.
The experience of other developed nations illustrates that. I quite understand your position prevents you acknowledging that. No worries...

Just like tobacco lobbyists could not afford to see any link between smoking and lung cancer rates.
Oh well.

 

[ElmerMudd]

All you can do is attack me with personal insults. You can not challenge me on the Constitution or the law, you have no competency in that, you can only emote and cry . . .
All you have is your sad, leftist hate and perverse need to subjugate and control other people. Funniest thing is, you are not against guns or killing people at all; your happiness depends on making sure it is the "right" people kneeling at the trench

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Abatis is one large bag of wind full of bullshit. He uses big words to attempt to articulate nonsense. The thinking of one who is paranoid. A person who is fearful of fellow citizens, but his guns make him feel invincible. A person who is fearful of the government, but his guns make him feel invincible. I hate to break it to you, Abatis, but all the guns in the world will not change the fact you are a paranoid, coward seeing danger where there is no danger. I am glad I do not live in you world.

 

[2aguy]

I believe I claimed reduced numbers of handguns and military style semi autos in circulation/private hands reduced firearm crime and firearm homicide rates.
The experience of other developed nations illustrates that. I quite understand your position prevents you acknowledging that. No worries...

Just like tobacco lobbyists could not afford to see any link between smoking and lung cancer rates.
Oh well.

The other developed nations allowed 12 million innocent mwn, women and children to be myrdered by the German socialists in just 6 years...

Our gun murder rate hasnt reached that number in 87 years ..... you like the efficiency of state conducted murder....

 

[2aguy]

I believe I claimed reduced numbers of handguns and military style semi autos in circulation/private hands reduced firearm crime and firearm homicide rates.
The experience of other developed nations illustrates that. I quite understand your position prevents you acknowledging that. No worries...

Just like tobacco lobbyists could not afford to see any link between smoking and lung cancer rates.
Oh well.

And you are wrong......the gun murder rates is all of the countries you point to were always low, even when they allowed people to own handguns.......so if the number was low before they banned and confiscated guns, then remained low after they banned and confiscated guns, there is no connection between gun ownership and crime......there is no connection between banning guns and reducing gun crime since there was no change...

In the U.S.......we have had an experiment for 27 years.....from the 1990s to 2015.....we had millions and millions of Americans not only buying guns, but carrying them in public for self defense....

Now....according to you, that would mean gun crime and gun murder would go up.....as the mere presence of guns = more gun crime...

For 27 years what happened to our gun crime, gun murder and violent crime rates....as more Americans purchased and carried guns?

Gun murder went down 49%.........how do you explain that?

Gun crime went down 75%......75%....how do you explain that?

Violent crime went down 72%.....how do you explain that?

And before you say I can't prove those things went down because of gun ownership.......I am not making that point here......I am showing that your theory, that simply more guns in a society creates more crime........is wrong. Completely wrong.

Over the last 27 years, up to the year 2015, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 19.4 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2019...guess what happened...

New Concealed Carry Report For 2020: 19.48 Million Permit Holders, 820,000 More Than Last Year despite many states shutting down issuing permits because of the Coronavirus - Crime Prevention Research Center


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

So.....your examples of other nations that had little gun murder with guns....then little gun murder after banning them...doesn't hold up......while the exact opposite happened in the U.S.....

What changed in the U.S. in 2015, when crime began to spike? We had millions of guns and gun murder went down 49%, gun crime went down 75%...........showing that normal people owning guns does not increase gun crime....

In 2015...the democrat party decided, as policy, to attack the police......an unrelenting attack, that forced normal police officers to stop doing their jobs....they stopped pro-active police work, the kind of work that stopped criminals who carried guns......they stopped doing their jobs in order to keep their jobs, protect their pensions and to keep from going to jail......

The second thing the democrat party did? They started releasing actual gun criminals from jail and prison......over and over again......known, violent, repeat gun offenders, released on bail, often no-cash bail, and released from prison on reduced sentences...

You have been shown the criminals released due to democrat party prosecutors, judges and politicians.....and refuse to admit they are the reason we have gun crime here in the cities they control.....

You refuse to admit it because you want to ban guns......and if you admitted that releasing the criminals who commit gun crime is the cause of gun crime, that would destroy your argument for gun control...

We have prosecutors who will not charge criminals caught not only with illegal guns...but actually shooting those guns...

Kim Foxx inChicago refused to charge a guy who shot a little girl......the Police detectives even tried to go around her to get charges pressed by a judge, and then she called on the democrat partty police superintendant to stop those detectives...

Kim Foxx also refused to charge 5 gang members, caught on video shooting at each other on a public street.....they captured two of them, with bullets in them and on the ground..........on video, in a gun fight...and she refused to charge them

We don't have gun crime because normal people own guns...as your examples and mine show....we have gun crime because of the left wing, democrat party policies that release known, repeat, violent gun offenders......

 

[2aguy]

I believe I claimed reduced numbers of handguns and military style semi autos in circulation/private hands reduced firearm crime and firearm homicide rates.
The experience of other developed nations illustrates that. I quite understand your position prevents you acknowledging that. No worries...

Just like tobacco lobbyists could not afford to see any link between smoking and lung cancer rates.
Oh well.

The other nations? Especially in Europe.....?

Can't stop criminals from getting illegal guns...not even Sweden can stop it...and the preferred weapon of the criminals in Europe are fully automatic military rifles and grenades.....

Police struggle to stop flood of firearms into UK

Police and border officials are struggling to stop a rising supply of illegal firearms being smuggled into Britain, a senior police chief has warned.

Chief constable Andy Cooke, the national police lead for serious and organised crime, said law enforcement had seen an increased supply of guns over the past year, and feared that it would continue in 2019

The Guardian has learned that the situation is so serious that the National Crime Agency has taken the rare step of using its legal powers to direct every single police force to step up the fight against illegal guns.

The NCA has used tasking powers to direct greater intelligence about firearms to be gathered by all 43 forces in England and Wales.

Another senior law enforcement official said that “new and clean” weapons were now being used in the majority of shootings, as opposed to guns once being so difficult to obtain that they would be “rented out” to be used in multiple crimes.

Cooke, the Merseyside chief constable, told the Guardian: “We in law enforcement expect the rise in new firearms to continue. We are doing all we can. We are not in a position to stop it anytime soon.

“Law enforcement is more joined up now than before, but the scale of the problem is such that despite a number of excellent firearms seizures, I expect the rise in supply to be a continuing issue.”

The increasing supply of guns belies problems with UK border security and innovations by organised crime gangs. Smugglers have increasingly found new ways and innovative routes to get guns past border defences.

Cooke said that the dynamics of the streets of British cities had changed and that criminals were more willing to use guns: “If they bring them in people will buy them. It’s a kudos thing for organised criminals.”

Simon Brough, head of firearms at the NCA, said: “The majority of guns being used are new, clean firearms ... which indicates a relatively fluid supply.”

He said shotguns were 40% of the total, with an increase in burglaries to try and steal them.

Handguns are the next biggest category, most often smuggled in from overseas, with ferry ports such as Dover being a popular entry point into the UK for organised crime groups:

“We’re doing a lot to fight back against it,” Brough said, adding that compared to other European countries, the availability in the UK was relatively lower.

llegal weapons in the city have been increasing over the last few years, figures show.

Girl, 16, arrested after three loaded guns and 200 bullets seized in raid


Diana Fawcett, the charity's chief executive, told Sky News: "At a time when the number of homicides has been falling, deaths related to gun crime are showing significant increases which is incredibly concerning.More than 600 children in the UK were arrested for suspected firearm offences last year amid the coronavirus pandemic, new figures reveal.
A Sky News investigation has found children as young as 11 were among more than 2,000 youths detained for alleged crimes involving guns, imitation firearms and air weapons between 2018 and January 2021.
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Simeon Moore, who carried a gun aged 15 when he was a member of a notorious Birmingham gang, said young people arming themselves often believe they are doing "the right thing".
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"From knives, we started to carry guns. For me, at the time it was a means of protection.
"I was walking around and at any point I could get beat up, stabbed or have my head blown off.
Hundreds of children arrested for suspected gun crimes during COVID pandemic
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The number of shootings in London is on the rise, despite the capital being in lockdown for significant parts of last year.

Scotland Yard figures reveal 288 incidents in 2020 where a lethal firearm was discharged, compared with 266 shooting incidents the year before.
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The second call of the day brought into sharp focus the concerns police have around the number of criminals apparently now willing to carry firearms.
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The officer said criminal gangs were increasingly targeting vehicles for the small amounts of precious metals in the catalytic converters.

"It is only worth a few hundred pounds to them, but for that, the criminal gangs are willing to threaten lethal force."

Shootings in London on the rise despite lockdown, police reveal

Sharp rise in knife and gun attacks outside London as austerity bites

Across the West Midlands, violent crime has become unnervingly common. Despite knife crime in the capital making the headlines, it has risen by 103% since 2014 in this region compared with 48% in London, with 14 knife crimes a day so far this year often targeting children of school age. Meanwhile, gun crime is up by a third in the West Midlands,

and murder, GBH and other violent crimes increased by 17% in the last year alone. In London, the rises were about 10% and 6% year-on-year, respectively.
The gangs and violence commission report found “crucial links” between the black market for illicit substances and serious violence, and much of the rising violence is blamed locally on disputes between gangs, many of whom deal drugs, increasingly being settled with guns and knives.

 

[2aguy]

I believe I claimed reduced numbers of handguns and military style semi autos in circulation/private hands reduced firearm crime and firearm homicide rates.
The experience of other developed nations illustrates that. I quite understand your position prevents you acknowledging that. No worries...

Just like tobacco lobbyists could not afford to see any link between smoking and lung cancer rates.
Oh well.

Sweden....Sweden? Military rifles and grenades........aren't those banned in Europe and Sweden?

How do you explain this?

A suspected bomb blast which tore through an apartment block, injuring 20 people in the Swedish city of Gothenburg in the early hours of Tuesday has reignited the country's debate over rampant gang violence.

Police say that an explosive device was 'probably' placed at the scene, with sources revealing that an officer who recently testified at a major gang trial lived in the building.

Prime Minister Stefan Lofven refused to 'speculate' but it's hard to blame Swedes for rushing to conclusions: more than 200 explosions and 360 shootings reverberated through their cities in 2020.
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Police chiefs blame the violence on 'criminal clans that have a completely different culture' and a 'generous welfare system and trusting society can be exploited by the criminal networks.'

The country last year suffered its highest level of murder and manslaughter for at least 18 years, with 124 people killed in violent attacks. Eighty per cent were linked to gangs and 39 per cent involved guns.
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Gun crime is also rampant, which BRA attributes to increased gangs, drug trafficking, and low confidence in the police.
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In 2020, Sweden recorded more than 360 gun-involved incident, with 47 deaths and 117 people wounded.
After a long period of decline, gun violence steadily increased from the mid-2000s and continues to do so.
Shooting deaths more than doubled between 2011 and 2019 and now account for 40 per cent of violent deaths.
'The increase in gun homicide in Sweden is closely linked to criminal milieux in socially disadvantaged areas,' the report said.
Eighty per cent of shootings were linked to gangs, a significantly higher proportion than in other European countries.

As 'bomb blast' injures 20, how Sweden is being plagued by explosions​

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Sweden has gone from having one of the lowest rates of gun violence in Europe to having one of the highest, a report said on Wednesday, describing what one researcher called a "social contagion" of killings.​

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The report said eight out of 10 shootings took place in a "criminal environment", with gang conflicts mentioned as one of the potential reasons for the trend. The drugs trade and low confidence towards the police in some parts of society were also cited as potential factors.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/social-contagion-sweden-sees-surge-deadly-shootings-2021-05-26/​

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The increase in gun homicide in Sweden is closely linked to criminal milieux in socially disadvantaged areas,” the report said, noting that shooting deaths had more than doubled between 2011 and 2019 and now accounted for 40% of violent deaths.
The report said more than eight out of 10 shootings were linked to organised crime, a significantly higher proportion than in other countries, and cited gang wars, the drugs trade and low confidence towards the police as potential factors.
The report said a decline in other forms of deadly violence, including knife crime, had masked the rise in fatal shootings.
Of 22 European countries analysed in the report, data from 2014-2017 put the country in second place, behind Croatia and ahead of Latvia. In 2018 it topped the ranking, although data from some countries was not complete that year.
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Last year the country of 10.3 million people recorded more than 360 incidents involving guns, including 47 deaths and 117 people injured.
Sweden is the only European country where fatal shootings have risen significantly since 2000, leaping from one of the lowest rates of gun violence on the continent to one of the highest in less than a decade, a report has found.
The report, by the Swedish national council for crime prevention (BRA), said the Scandinavian country had overtaken Italy and eastern European countries primarily because of the violent activities of organised criminal gangs.
Sweden’s gun violence rate has soared due to gangs, report says

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Swedish capital sees 79% spike in shootings as govt laments ‘high levels’ of violence in the Scandinavian country
Sweden recorded a surge in gun-related violence last year, according to new figures released by the government amid accusations that authorities have turned a blind eye to rising crime in the country.
Interior Minister Mikael Damberg disclosed on Monday that 47 people were killed and 117 injured in 366 shooting incidents in 2020, marking a 10 percent increase in gun violence when compared to statistics from 2019.

Damberg noted that in nearly half of the shootings registered last year, someone was injured or killed. “We will neither accept nor get used to such high levels of violence,” he said.


The situation in Malmo, a city with a large migrant population that has struggled with gang violence, has improved, while crime is surging in Stockholm, the interior minister pointed out.

According to Damberg, the Swedish capital saw a staggering 79 percent increase in shootings in 2020.
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Most of the violent incidents occurred in 60 suburbs across the country identified by police as “vulnerable” areas. Damberg said that while 5.4 percent of Sweden’s population live in such neighborhoods, they account for more than half of the nation’s fatal shootings.


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In the report on Tuesday, the Swedish Television, citing statistics from the Swedish Police Authority, revealed that by November, there had been as many shootings in 2020 as during the whole of 2019.
Between January 1 and December 15, there were 349 confirmed shootings in Sweden, with 111 people wounded and 44 dead as a result, Xinhua news agency quoted the report as saying.
The death toll is close to the highest number on record so far -- 45 gun-related fatalities in 2018.
Most of the shootings, or 146, occurred in the capital Stockholm, where 23 deaths and 48 injuries were reported.
According to the police, most incidents were related to organised crime and conflicts between gang members.
Criminologist Joakim Sturup told Swedish Television that a major reason behind the worrying statistics is that automatic weapons are becoming more commonly used by gang members.

Sweden witnesses spike in shooting incidents​

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Shootings on the Rise in Sweden Despite Crackdown on Gang Violence, COVID-19 Epidemic​

The number of shootings is increasing in Sweden, despite a national effort to curtail gang violence amid the ongoing coronavirus epidemic, SVT reported.​

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The police also noted that the raging coronavirus epidemic, contrary to some people's expectations, has not had a major impact on crime. This is likely due to the fact that Sweden, unlike most European nations, has consistently avoided lockdowns. Even the flow of drugs has not been disturbed to any great extent, the police said. However, there is still a risk that reduced access to drugs may increase violence.

Crime gangs in Sweden: What's behind the rise in the use of explosives?

The frequent use of explosives is a relatively recent phenomenon, and criminologists told The Local that the blasts can be seen as part of an overall rise in violence and growing recklessness in these criminal networks.

Amir Rostami, a police superintendent turned sociologist with a focus on criminal gangs, told The Local that so-called 'street gangs' are showing an increased tendency towards violence, and that this violence was becoming more severe when it took place.

"If previously they maybe fired one shot or shot someone in the legs, today it's more about AK47s, using more bullets, hand grenades and explosions that we didn't see before. I'd say that's the biggest shift we see – they're more reckless, they don't seem to care about the consequences," Rostami said.

Fatal shootings linked to criminal gangs have increased from around four per year in the early 1990s to over 40 in 2018. And while the blasts that have taken place in Sweden have caused no fatalities so far this year, they could be seen as a sign that the gangs are unafraid of causing damage and potentially harming people.
No, Sweden, hand grenade attacks aren’t an ‘image’ problem

In 2018 there were 162 bombings reported to police, and 93 reported in the first five months of this year, 30 more than during the same period in 2018. The level of attacks is “extreme in a country that is not at war,” Crime Commissioner Gunnar Appelgren told SVT last year.
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The use of hand grenades is a purely Swedish phenomenon too, with no other country in Europe reporting their use on such a level, a police manager told Swedish Radio in 2016, a year after attacks first spiked.

The grenades used almost exclusively originate in the former Yugoslavia, and are sold in Sweden for around $100 per piece. But while only three hand grenades were thrown in Kosovo between 2013 and 2014, more than 20 have been used in Sweden every year since 2015.

More broadly, homicide has risen in Sweden, with more than 300 shootings reported last year, causing 45 deaths. Though homicide rates had been in decline since 2002, they again began trending upwards in 2015, as did rapes and sexual assaults, which more than tripled in the last four years.

Of course, 2015 was also the year in which Sweden flung open its doors to more than 160,000 asylum seekers, more per capita than any other European country.
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Dagens Nyheter pointed out that 90 percent of shooting perpetrators in Sweden are either first or second generation immigrants.​

Bomb attacks are now a normal part of Swedish life | The Spectator​

Only days after the murder of Karolin Hakim, another young woman fell victim to the gang wars. Eighteen-year-old Ndella Jack was killed as someone fired an automatic weapon into her flat in western Stockholm, probably aiming for her husband, a well-known figure in Stockholm’s gang scene. Less than a week after the murder, associates of Ms Jack’s husband were lured to a middle-class suburb of Stockholm, where they had been promised information about her killer. Shots were fired, missing the targets and hitting instead a taxi driver and a resident in a nearby building. One victim, also a university student, lost his sight in an eye after it was hit by a bullet


Holding Sweden hostage: firearm-related violence

Statistics from the NBHW shows that the number of individuals in Sweden injured by a firearm has greatly increased since 2009. Between 2012 and 2017, the number of individuals that were injured by a firearm increased by 50% [13]. Figure 3 outlines the number of individuals being treated at Swedish hospitals for firearm-related injuries.
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International reports [1, 2], the Swedish police [12,19], and Swedish scholars [3–6,20,21] agree that the main cause for the increase in the rate of firearm-related violence is the presence of many gangs and criminal networks in Sweden.

Although gangs and criminal networks have always existed in Sweden, street gangs flourished in the late 1990s and are today considered to be one of the main security problems in the country [22–24]. Swedish gangs and foremost criminal networks have not only continued to increase, butthey have also become bolder and more violent as can be seen in their use of firearms and explosive devices as their modus operandi [3,6].

Another very important source of the increase of firearm-related violence in Sweden is the easy access to illegal firearms. Although Sweden was, for decades, shielded from firearm-related violence, mostly because of its restrictive gun laws, the easy access to illegal firearms, in addition to the many gangs and criminal networks in the country, is the main reason for the disturbing increase in the country’s rate of firearm-related violence. According to police reports, there has been a high inflow of illegal weapons into Sweden from the western Balkans [12].
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IN DEPTH: What’s behind the rise in gang violence across Sweden?

Honour, debts, and prestige are serving as the pretext for an increasing number of deadly shootings that challenge the ideals of equality and social harmony on which modern Sweden was built.
Stats in Sweden show rise in violence after refugee surge

Murder rose 11 percent in 2016 when compared to 2015's numbers.

Men specifically are killed by gunfire at an increased rate too - up 28 percent in that same time period.

Leading up to 2016, more than a quarter million refugees applied for asylum in Sweden, most fleeing war zones in Muslim-majority countries.​

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Abstract​

Recent reports state that firearm-related violence is increasing in Sweden. In order to understand the trend of firearm-related violence in Sweden with regard to rate, modus operandi (MO) and homicide typology, and for which injuries and causes of death firearm-related violence is responsible, a systematic literature review was conducted. After a thorough search in different databases, a total of 25 studies published in Swedish and English peer-review journals were identified and thus analyzed. The results show that even though knives/sharp weapons continue to be the most common MO in a violent crime in Sweden, firearm-related violence is significantly increasing in the country and foremost when discussing gang-related crimes. Moreover, firearm-related homicides and attempted homicides are increasing in the country. The studies also show that a firearm is much more lethal than a knife/sharp weapon, and that the head, thorax and the abdomen are the most lethal and serious anatomical locations in which to be hit. It is principally the three largest cities of Sweden which are affected by the many shootings in recent years. The police have severe difficulties in solving firearm-related crimes such as homicide and attempted homicide, which is why the confidence and trust for the Swedish judicial system may be decreasing among the citizens. Several reforms have taken place in Sweden in the last few years, but their effect on firearm-related violence remains to be studied.
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4/19/18

Sweden’s violent reality is undoing a peaceful self-image

Gang-related gun murders, now mainly a phenomenon among men with immigrant backgrounds in the country’s parallel societies, increased from 4 per year in the early 1990s to around 40 last year. Because of this, Sweden has gone from being a low-crime country to having homicide rates significantly above the Western European average. Social unrest, with car torchings, attacks on first responders and even riots, is a recurring phenomenon.

Shootings in the country have become so common that they don’t make top headlines anymore, unless they are spectacular or lead to fatalities.

News of attacks are quickly replaced with headlines about sports events and celebrities, as readers have become desensitized to the violence.


A generation ago, bombings against the police and riots were extremely rare events. Today, reading about such incidents is considered part of daily life.

3/9/18

https://www.economist.com/news/euro...edish-sense-security-why-are-young-men-sweden
IT WAS supposed to be a sneaky afternoon cigarette break.

Then a gunman in black appeared and shot 15-year-old Robin Sinisalo in the head.

His older brother Alejandro was shot four times. Robin died immediately on the doorstep of his home in north-west Stockholm. Alejandro was left in a wheelchair for life. Two years later, the boys’ mother, Carolina, says the police still have no leads.

Robin’s fate is increasingly common in Sweden. In 2011 only 17 people were killed by firearms. In 2017 the country had over 300 shootings, leaving 41 people dead and over 100 injured.

The violence mostly stems from street gangs running small-time drug operations in big cities such as Stockholm, the capital, Malmö and Gothenburg.

Gang members have even used hand grenades to attack police stations.

Between 2010 and 2015, people were killed by illegal firearms at the same rate as in southern Italy. Though Sweden is still a relatively peaceful place, this is worrying.

Acquiring a legal gun requires strict screening, but Kalashnikovs from the Yugoslav wars are readily available on the black market. To sweeten the deal, smugglers often throw in hand grenades (there were 43 grenade incidents in Sweden last year). The victims and perpetrators of gang violence are nearly always young men.

But shootings with illegal guns have been rising since the mid-2000s. Most gang members are indeed first- or second-generation immigrants—72% of them, according to one report, but they tend not to be new arrivals.



3/3/18

Sweden grenades increasing...


Hand Grenades and Gang Violence Rattle Sweden’s Middle Class

Weapons from a faraway, long-ago war are flowing into immigrant neighborhoods here, puncturing Swedes’ sense of confidence and security.

The country’s murder rate remains low, by American standards, and violent crime is stable or dropping in many places. But gang-related assaults and shootings are becoming more frequent, and the number of neighborhoods categorized by the police as “marred by crime, social unrest and insecurity” is rising. Crime and immigration are certain to be key issues in September’s general election, alongside the traditional debates over education and health care.

Continue reading the main story


Part of the reason is that Sweden’s gang violence, long contained within low-income suburbs, has begun to spill out. In large cities, hospitals report armed confrontations in emergency rooms, and school administrators say threats and weapons have become commonplace. Last week two men from Uppsala, both in their 20s, were arrested on charges of throwing grenades at the home of a bank employee who investigates fraud cases.

An earlier jolt came with the death of Mr. Zuniga, who on Jan. 7 picked up the grenade, which the police believe had been thrown by members of a local gang targeting a rival gang or police officers.

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Affixed to the wall in Mr. Appelgren’s office in Stockholm’s Police Headquarters is a chart showing the increase in the use of hand grenades. Until 2014 there were about a handful every year. In 2015, that number leapt: 45 grenades were seized by the police, and 10 others were detonated. The next year, 55 were seized and 35 detonated. A modest decrease occurred in 2017, when 39 were seized and 21 were detonated.

Mr. Appelgren has watched the trend apprehensively, calling it an arms race among gangs.

“I think we’re going to see, if we don’t stop it, more drive-by shootings with Kalashnikovs and hand grenades,” he said. “They throw rocks and bottles at our cars, and they trick us in an ambush. When will it happen that they ambush us with Kalashnikovs? It’s coming.”



https://www.thelocal.se/20170905/wh...ings-per-capita-than-norway-and-germany-malmo

Sweden has in recent years seen a sharp increase in the number of shootings per capita, with research suggesting that the Scandinavian country is statistically on par with southern Italy and parts of Ireland.
In 2016, some 250 shootings (random, fatal and non-fatal) were registered by police in Stockholm, Gothenburg and Malmö. In 2014, that number came to 200, indicating that Sweden is experiencing a drastic rise in such incidents.
“We don’t really know why yet, but what we can see is that the increase comes as we also see a rise in gang-related crimes and a growing number of criminal networks,” Manne Gerell, a criminologist at Malmö University, told The Local, after Swedish public radio first wrote about new research he is involved in.
One study which is yet to be published suggests that Sweden experienced four to five times as many fatal shootings per capita as Norway and Germany in 2008-2014, two otherwise similar countries. Previous figures have shown that deadly violence in general is going down in Sweden, but gun violence has gone up.
Gerell also singled out Malmö, Sweden’s third-largest city, as the one place where shootings are becoming particularly common.
“Malmö stands out,” he said, noting that the southern city is somewhat more exposed to social problems and poverty in comparison to both the capital and Gothenburg.
“Malmö is also what we describe an ‘early adopter’ when it comes to crime. It was the first of the three cities where hand grenade crimes became more commonplace and it was also the place for the establishment of Sweden’s first biker-gangs. We don’t know whether this is to do with its proximity to the European continent or not, but it could explain why the trends seem to start there.”
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http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=6770170

New research says Sweden sees more deadly shootings per capita than its closest European neighbors, and the low number of gun crimes solved by police here may be part of the reason why.
Sweden experiences four to five times more fatal shootings per capita than Norway and Germany, according to the ongoing research from Malmö University, Karolinska Hospital and Stockholm University.
The areas with the most shootings are Sweden's major cities: Stockholm, Gothenburg and Malmö. The victims as well as the perpetrators also tend to be younger than those in other the countries.

 

[Otis Mayfield]

It's a fantasy. It's fun to pretend and generate some fake outrage.

The guberment's comin ta take mah guns!

It hasn't happened in 230 years.

 

[Flash]

It's a fantasy. It's fun to pretend and generate some fake outrage.

The guberment's comin ta take mah guns!

It hasn't happened in 230 years.

It has happened on a smaller scale in some Communist run parts of the US and it would happen on a National scale if the filthy Democrats got their way.

 

[M14 Shooter]

I believe I claimed reduced numbers of handguns and military style semi autos in circulation/private hands reduced firearm crime and firearm homicide rates.

-Snort-
You don't even remember what you claimed.
- Snort-

See post #136
See post #146
See post 1#50

The claims for which you cannot demontrate the attached necessary relationhips are quoted therein.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Abatis is one large bag of wind full of bullshit.

Why does insulting other people make you feel better about yourself?

 

[Jarlaxle]

I was pretty much with you until you used this phrase.

“Common Sense Gun Laws” and “gun culture” are left-wing phrases used most often by those who tend not to understand what guns are, their proper place in society. That makes me question whether you truly come to the discussion without a bias.

The first place I saw "gun culture" was actually by a staunch gun right supporter. (As in: he is a gunsmith and has a revolved named after him.)

 

[Jarlaxle]

Why shouldn't every gun purchased in the US require a background check. Private sells included.
That is common sense.

Because it is impossible to actually enforce absent universal registration.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Easy: Increase the punishments for gun crimes.

Now, tit-for-tat: Give me one gun regulation which won't adversely affect law abiding citizens but will affect only criminals...

Felon in possession of a gun gets mandatory ten years in prison.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Movies are not reality. In reality very few incidents regarding a licensed armed citizen results in a shooting.

A man tries to steal a woman's purse in a store parking lot, an armed citizen comes to her aid and pulls out his weapon. That kind of changes the entire picture. In most cases, the criminal will run for his life. It gets reported to the police and again, unless it's a slow news day, this could have happened a mile from your home and you'd never know it if the media doesn't report the story.

I suspect many times, it doesn't even get reported.

 

[2aguy]

Felon in possession of a gun gets mandatory ten years in prison.

Make that 30.......then they either stop carrying illegal guns, or they are out of our hair for 30 years

 

[Jarlaxle]

Carl Bogus????

Jesus H. Christ, have a little self respect will ya . . .

No, he's really a law professor.

 

[Canon Shooter]

Felon in possession of a gun gets mandatory ten years in prison.

I would prefer that a felon in possession of a gun gets 25 years, with no opportunity for parole...

 

[Jarlaxle]

Abatis is, obviously, a very freighted individual who finds security and self-esteem in owning a gun. A sad but very dangerous bunch. A gun makes them feel like they are somebody.
The majority of gun owners are not driven to own a gun by their cowardice but those who do, stick out with their whacky rhetoric.

Describe, in detail, the training that makes you able to make such a sweeping diagnosis of millions of people you have not met. This should include but not be limited to the medical school you attended, the year you got your PhD in psychiatry, and the states where you are licensed to practice. Be specific.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Because you can never stop the sale of illegal guns, that's why. If they don't get them from stealing them out of homes, they will make them. Ever hear of a 3-D printer? They make ghost guns. In other words guns that cannot be traced back to anybody. Guns are not that complicated of a tool. It's metal (and plastic in some cases) that can be manufactured by people with low cost machinery and you can make guns in your basement.

You just can't seem to get that out of your head. You actually believe by disarming society the bad guys will give up their guns and never buy more. Wrong. All it will do is stop good people from owning them.

Or the cartels will just bring them in from Mexico with the illegal aliens and drugs.

 

[2aguy]

Or the cartels will just bring them in from Mexico with the illegal aliens and drugs.

The cartels have set up machine shops on thw border to makw guns....