Thomas Massie’s America First

[OldFlame]

Look around the board and you'll see plenty of examples. The burden isn't on me to be the one to say this or that poster, you can go and see for yourself.

That's a cop out, don't make the accusation unless you have the proof.

 

[OldFlame]

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No, people like me are genuine fiscal and social conservatives, strict constitutionalists and proponets of strictly limited government.

Something that you rabid, big-government red helmet statists would do well to educate yourselves about.

What are your types gonna do? Call us mentally ill and call for men with guns from the government to come kick our doors down and try to take our guns?

Well, you apparently suck at getting your agenda into the mainstream. Tell us all how we can help?

If your answer is to not vote, that's not gonna happen, so give us what else we can do to get those principles front and center?

 

[OldFlame]

Hm. Okay. So, then, I suppose that you are content to remain in the low-value pecker waving exercise category between big government red helmet wearing statists and big government blue helmet wearing statists so as to try to establish some foolish, naive illusion of difference while continuing to kick the can down the road.

Repeat, repeat, repeat, that's all you do, throw out accusations without any discussion at all. A shame, I thought you were better than that. I've asked you multiple times to go into detail about how your ideals of small, constitutionally focused government is brought about and you've offered not one solution. All you do is spout how you have these ideals and the rest of us are fools.

Guess what, I share your ideals, but I don't have your naive perspective that if all conservative people just stop voting that everything will work out. I can only assume that's your solution, because I've heard nothing else from you.

 

[OldFlame]

Educate yourself in what surmises the tradional philosophy of American governance. The American ideal of 1776.

For starters.

As I said, and correctly so, you have a very good guide in the constitution.

How you choose to be about it rather than talking about it is up to you.

in the end, the solution is, as always, the cause of Liberty! Not the antithetical big government movement.

But liberty must first be understood rather than feared and therefore assaulted.

This is a choice. Do or do not...

I am educated in that philosophy, you refuse to believe it, you have given nothing actionable to bring any of your ideals about. All you have is a pipedream and insults.

 

[OldFlame]

LOL.. This is an easy one. Republican voters just stop supporting people like Trump & Romney. If it means they lose their ass in a couple or a few elections, the RNC will finally get the point.

The point: We're sick of RINO's. We want actual conservatives for a change. Not CINO's (conservative in name only)

Vance is clearly a RINO. So he should be rejected right off the bat. Same with Rubio. Same with Trump Jr. (because we damn sure don't need another political dynasty in this country.

Exactly as I expected, don't vote. You're hilarious.

I noticed you didn't answer my question of whether or not you supported Trump's crackdown on medicare/medicaid abuse, why not?

 

[OldFlame]

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The solution to the big government movement being populated by both big government blue helmets and big government red helmets, which is crushing the fabric of our Republic, is to join the cause of liberty!

But first effort needs to be made to understand the very concept of it rather than fearing it. In most cases, unfortunately, ones entire worldview would need to be turned upside down and fixed before any kind of true understanding of the very concept and therefore the errors in ways can be understood.

How does one do that. assuming that the concept is completely understood? How are you personally helping the cause of liberty?

 

[OldFlame]

Why do I have to tell you that?

I want to hear your answer, so how do we control who decides to run for office?

 

[OldFlame]

BS, you RINO.. The democrats suck. That's why over half the USA resorts back to a GOP majority. But the GOP loses their majority when they do almost the same exact things the democrats were doing.

IF the GOP voters ONLY voted for fiscal & constitutional conservatives like Massie, once they got the majority, it would several decades before the Democrats could ever get the majority again.

Because a governments that remains small, doesn't spend beyond their means, maintains a currency value (by not over spending), allows for more freedom, more free markets and more growth for the country.
Much like what Javier Milei is doing in Argentina.
He slashed TF out of spending and the size of government. Ending a bunch of welfare programs. Is bringing back free market capitalism. In just 2 years he's turn Argentina from a socialist shit hole (which is where we're headed, thanks to people like Trump & Biden), into a growing economy without all that government intrusion.

Give us a list of people that met that description that ran and didn't get voted in?

 

[OldFlame]

If suspect most if them. That might just change. FAFO.

So they wanted Trump's agenda implemented and Massie is going against that? Thanks.

 

[dblack]

I want to hear your answer, so how do we control who decides to run for office?

We don't. Do you have a point?

 

[YoursTruly]

Give us a list of people that met that description that ran and didn't get voted in?

Ron DeSantis, Ron Paul, Rand Paul (X2), Justin Amash. That's my list.

 

[YoursTruly]

So they wanted Trump's agenda implemented and Massie is going against that? Thanks.

Trumps supposed agenda (what he ran on) isn't what he's doing now.

IE no massive spending cuts.
Peace president
Releasing the Epstein list.

etc etc etc

Massie is only doing what Trump said he would do. And is being attacked for it.

 

[YoursTruly]

Yet you're on here pontificating about how all of those that vote for an R could change the future if they did otherwise. When you know full well if they didn't, then the D's would be in absolute control, which is what I think you really want.

Yup, the dems would be in absolute control for an election or two.

But once the RNC's donations dried up and they lost a LOT of elections, the RNC would be forced to either dissolve or start supporting politicians like Massie.
Also another factor would be another, more fiscally conservative party (like maybe the LP) would get elected in place of a lot of republicans that would help keep the left from completely ruining our country.

But to do nothing, except hoping the RINO's change into actual conservatives, isn't going to fix anything. Especially when they're not held accountable for anything.

 

[YoursTruly]

The main thing is to not vote for bad candidates. If you can't find someone good to vote for, and don't want to write someone in, don't vote. That's far better than voting for a bad candidate on purpose.

I didn't vote for Trump or Biden. And I feel very good about it.

 

[dblack]

Yet you're on here pontificating about how all of those that vote for an R could change the future if they did otherwise. When you know full well if they didn't, then the D's would be in absolute control, which is what I think you really want.

Wos! Lesser of two evils fear mongering really has you by the balls.

Or, well, do you have them? Balls? How do you "identify"?

 

[Billiejeens]

The main thing is to not vote for bad candidates. If you can't find someone good to vote for, and don't want to write someone in, don't vote. That's far better than voting for a bad candidate on purpose.

I dont believe that you understand that "bad" is 100% subjective.

 

[dblack]

Yup, the dems would be in absolute control for an election or two.

But once the RNC's donations dried up and they lost a LOT of elections, the RNC would be forced to either dissolve or start supporting politicians like Massie.
Also another factor would be another, more fiscally conservative party (like maybe the LP) would get elected in place of a lot of republicans that would help keep the left from completely ruining our country.

But to do nothing, except hoping the RINO's change into actual conservatives, isn't going to fix anything. Especially when they're not held accountable for anything.

The bottom line, neither party is going to change as long as we give them our votes for free. Why would they? Every election we're telling them - "Yes, this is what we want. More please."

 

[Billiejeens]

Lesser of two evils fear mongering really has you by the balls.

Or, well, do you have them? Balls? How do you "identify"?

Or that "Evil" is 100% subjective.

 

[dblack]

Or that "Evil" is 100% subjective.

Lesser-of-two-evils is a turn of phrase, dipshit. I doesn't mean literal evil. It means that both candidates are shit, but you feel like you have to choose the one that "stinks less". It's bullshit, and it's killing democracy.

 

[Billiejeens]

It's a turn of phrase, dipshit. I doesn't mean literal evil. It means that both candidates are shit, but you feel like you have to choose the one that stinks less. It's bullshit, and it's killing democracy.

You dont understand that "shit" is 100% subjective.