Thomas Frank Recently Wrote An Article That Criticized Obama Severely

[Mac1958]

Stupid comment of the week!

Evidently reading the comments on which that sentence is based proved to require a bit too much effort and intellectual elasticity for you.

My apologies, I'll endeavor in the future to keep things a bit more simple.

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No it was transparent enough. Control, which comes through numbers, wasn't enough. They needed numbers to have control!
Brilliant!

Okay, I'll keep this simple: Bfgrn had said "They DID have control of the White House, Senate and Congress. The 'far left' was shut out. Did we get single payer? Did we get a public option??"

My response created a distinction between Bfgrn's use of the term "control" and the Democrats having enough votes to actually exercise control.

I hope that makes sense to you. If it does not, I don't care.

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[Bfgrn]

Evidently reading the comments on which that sentence is based proved to require a bit too much effort and intellectual elasticity for you.

My apologies, I'll endeavor in the future to keep things a bit more simple.

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No it was transparent enough. Control, which comes through numbers, wasn't enough. They needed numbers to have control!
Brilliant!

Okay, I'll keep this simple: Bfgrn had said "They DID have control of the White House, Senate and Congress. The 'far left' was shut out. Did we get single payer? Did we get a public option??"

My response created a distinction between Bfgrn's use of the term "control" and the Democrats having enough votes to actually exercise control.

I hope that makes sense to you. If it does not, I don't care.

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I will make it clear...CRYSTAL...both of those solutions, especially single payer, are liberal, progressive ideas. Single payer was never even considered. And a public option never had enough votes AMONG DEMOCRATS. To say that the Democratic party is far left is ABSURD.

 

[JakeStarkey]

'communists', bripat?

You don't get to redefine terms, son, without folks laughing their butts off at you.

You sound absolutely like a 10 year old.

 

[Oldstyle]

I hope Obama, if Romney loses because of the inanity and insanity of the extremists in his party, destroys the GOP as it is. It needs to be remade for the 21st century, with the far right excluded to form their own minority party.

Here's what I predict.

When Obama wins, there will be a MAJOR backlash from the rabid right and they will rant and rave about not being right enough.

However, sober heads will prevail and the silent majority of the GOP, those saner ones will OPENLY speak out against this rabid RWism that has overtaken today's Republican Party.

A battle will ensue and I believe the saner heads will win.

If not, then the GOP, as a party...is done for and another new party will rise out of the crusty ashes.

Gee, Marc...I thought the GOP "as a party" was done for in 2008? Wasn't that the progressive narrative following Barack Obama's defeat of John McCain? Yet two years later the Democrats were handed the biggest shellacking in modern political history when the Republicans took dozens of House and Senate seats along with numerous Governor's jobs as well.

I'm quite curious why anyone would think another four years by a man who's shown himself to be totally unprepared for the Presidency is going to "hurt" the GOP? You think suddenly Barry is going to "get" economics? You think he's going to suddenly HAVE an economic plan to put people back to work after all these years and all those trillions he's spent trying? You think that in a remarkable turnabout that the Obama "charm" will actually work with foreign policy when he's basically been dithering for the past four years and most of the good will he entered office with has been squandered? You think he's going to suddenly be any better at choosing the people who work with him? Or are we going to continue to have more incompetents like Geithner, Summers, Napolitano, Holder and Chu running our government for us?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I understand his point, however, I don't agree that he was a failure

I believe that Obama stuck to his principles in trying to reach out to the Republicans, although they had decided from day 0 to attack and obstruct him at every turn.

One of these days I am going to figure out why the defenders of Obama think everyone on the planet is stupid. The simple fact is Obama is a typical politician, he doesn't have principles. If he actually had principles we would not have a repackaged Hillarycare, nor would we have ever increasing deficits.

By the way, the Republicans did not set out to obstruct Obama from the beginning.



Did you actually read the essay before you decided to talk about it, or did you rely on a Cliff's Notes to get the talking points?

Franks did not blame Bush for what Obama did, he points out that Obama did everything exactly the same way Bush would have if he got elected. That is all on Obama, not Bush. Yet you sat right here and defended Obama for the very things that you are now trying to blame Bush for.

What does that make you?

No one has been prosecuted, not one banker jailed, not one policy maker taken to task, non of the former Administration held responsible, in fact he's not only brought back some Clinton pseudo-Democrat RWers, but also kept many of Bush's cronies in their position as well.

This is the author's beef w/Obama, that he's not been liberal at all. The worst part about it is, that the Republicans have sworn that Obama is "the most Leftist, socialist, Marxist President this country has had since...like ever." WoW!!!

*SMH*

We can only hope that when Obama wins this 2nd term he learns his lesson and decides to take these hard RWers to the woodshed like he SHOULD have done earlier this term.

Interesting article indeed.

Obama is going to spend his second term, if he gets one, setting up his next job as Secretary General of the UN.

Obama did not repackaged Hillarycare. In reality he repackaged Romneycare. The Affordable Healthcare Act is much closer to the Republican proposals that were offered back in the early 1990's during the Hillarycare debate.

The GOP made a collective decision to obstruct health care reform and hand Obama his 'Waterloo'. They were given Frank Luntz talking points on how to obstruct reform while sounding like they were for it.

Again, you continue to either lie or you are just that blind and stupid.

Obama didn't do anything, the law we call Obamacare came about because he sat on the sideline for an entire year and only got involved when it became perfectly clear to everyone with a brain, which obviously excludes you, that nothing was going to pass. Even when he did get involved the only thing he did was position himself as the savior of the bill in order to maintain his historic position. Believe it or not, being the first black president is not his achievement, all of you need to get over it.

Still upset because I pointed out how dogmatic you are? If you actually had facts to back up your point you would post them, the problem is that absolutely no facts exist, all that exists is one story that contains an interview from before the 2009 midterms that the pundiots from the left have backdated.

Pundiots, I like that, anyone think it will catch on?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Oldstyle and QWB: who do you honestly think would win the WH and which party will hold the Senate if the election were held this Tuesday?

Honestly?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

It doesn't make sense for the Republican party to move more left.At least it doesn't make sense to me.If that's the case then we might as well vote Democrat...I for one would rather pour crushed glass in my coffee instead of sugar.The GOP needs to move far right in order to counter the way the Democrat party has moved so far left.

GWB moved the Republican party to the left and see where it got us? The Republican party needs to stand up to the bullies in the Obama administration. God Bless the Republicans if they stopped Obama on any issue, which by what I see they stopped him on nothing. The flop of a recovery is ALL Obama and Democrats we can not fall victim to their story line that somehow the miniority party is the cause of what they have brought onto America. I for one don't believe that the majority of Americans are that stupid to believe the democrat BS.

Unbelievably absurd!

George W. Bush is the most conservative president we've had since probably Warren G. Harding—and perhaps ever. He has governed, wherever possible, fully in step with the basic conservative principles that defined Ronald Reagan's presidency and have shaped the political right for the last two generations: opposition to New Deal-style social programs; a view of civil liberties as obstacles to dispensing justice; the pursuit of low taxes, especially on businesses and the wealthy; a pro-business stance on regulation; a hawkish, militaristic, nationalistic foreign policy; and a commitment to bringing religion, and specifically Christianity, back into public policy.

The only people that think Dubya is conservative are the wacky left.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

His major mistake is to cater to the far right.

He is very correct to simply note you far lefties are the past, not the future of America.

Tell me something, and I want specifics. How is Romney catering to the far right? Every right wing blogger in the country is complaining about Romney ignoring them, yet you say he is catering to them. I would love you to explain that, if you can.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Answer my question, and I will answer yours.

who do you honestly think would win the WH and which party will hold the Senate if the election were held this Tuesday?

Honestly?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

His major mistake is to cater to the far right.

He is very correct to simply note you far lefties are the past, not the future of America.

Hey Jake, how much blame does Romney get for the fact he is going to lose this election? He has had the opportunity to address the nation and show a more centrist GOP approach. What has he done Jake? He has catered to the far right who control the GOP. Just like I said he would. Picking Paul Ryan should have been the canary in the mineshaft for you, but it wasn't. Ryan has done enormous damage to the ticket.

“47%” Was Bad for Romney; Ryan Has Been Deadly

Today's Democratic Party is to the right of the Democrats I grew up with. As a matter of fact, the GOP in the 50's was to the left of today's Democratic party.

The last 30 years has seen the results of the conservative era. It has been a complete and utter failure.

The Democrats you grew up with are to the left of Nancy Pelosi? Why don't I believe you?

 

[Oldstyle]

Oldstyle and QWB: who do you honestly think would win the WH and which party will hold the Senate if the election were held this Tuesday?

Honestly?

I think that Barack Obama would win if it were held this Tuesday.

I also think that the reason for that is Mitt Romney has been facing the same uphill battle to get positive coverage from the main stream media that John McCain faced in 2008.

The truth is...Barack Obama has been an underwhelming President. His lack of leadership skills has been self evident and his policies have not been working. Foreign policy which was a strong point for him is suddenly very much in question with what took place in Benghazi. The economic numbers have been so abysmal for so long that we've almost become numb to them. If this were an incumbent Republican with these numbers and problems like Fast & Furious, Solyndra, Iran and Libya the media would be all over their case with a barrage of negative coverage. With Barack Obama you've seen nothing even close to that.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The Democratic Party today is to the right, QWB.

You said Nancy Pelosi, not me.

 

[Mac1958]

No it was transparent enough. Control, which comes through numbers, wasn't enough. They needed numbers to have control!
Brilliant!

Okay, I'll keep this simple: Bfgrn had said "They DID have control of the White House, Senate and Congress. The 'far left' was shut out. Did we get single payer? Did we get a public option??"

My response created a distinction between Bfgrn's use of the term "control" and the Democrats having enough votes to actually exercise control.

I hope that makes sense to you. If it does not, I don't care.

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I will make it clear...CRYSTAL...both of those solutions, especially single payer, are liberal, progressive ideas. Single payer was never even considered. And a public option never had enough votes AMONG DEMOCRATS. To say that the Democratic party is far left is ABSURD.

I'd agree with that, right now. The GOP has become so beholden to, and afraid of, the Tea Party that the Democrats have been looking like the more reasonable of the two parties since 2010. And I was surprised that they didn't push harder for Single Payer in 2009. Word must have gotten out within the party that it just wasn't going to happen.

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[Quantum Windbag]

The Democratic Party today is to the right, QWB.

You said Nancy Pelosi, not me.

You just outed yourself Jake.

The question now is, which account is the sock?

 

[JakeStarkey]

QWB just ran into a wall. The Dems are farther to the right than even under Bill Clinton. The GOP has moved so far right that RR could not win a primary in most GOP states today. Man of the far right are a buncha loons.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

QWB just ran into a wall. The Dems are father to the right than even under Bill Clinton. The GOP has moved so far right that RR could not win a primary in most GOP states today. Man of the far right are a buncha loons.

Did I? Why did they toss the Blue Dogs under the bus if they moved toward the right?

 

[Bfgrn]

One of these days I am going to figure out why the defenders of Obama think everyone on the planet is stupid. The simple fact is Obama is a typical politician, he doesn't have principles. If he actually had principles we would not have a repackaged Hillarycare, nor would we have ever increasing deficits.

By the way, the Republicans did not set out to obstruct Obama from the beginning.



Did you actually read the essay before you decided to talk about it, or did you rely on a Cliff's Notes to get the talking points?

Franks did not blame Bush for what Obama did, he points out that Obama did everything exactly the same way Bush would have if he got elected. That is all on Obama, not Bush. Yet you sat right here and defended Obama for the very things that you are now trying to blame Bush for.

What does that make you?



Obama is going to spend his second term, if he gets one, setting up his next job as Secretary General of the UN.

Obama did not repackaged Hillarycare. In reality he repackaged Romneycare. The Affordable Healthcare Act is much closer to the Republican proposals that were offered back in the early 1990's during the Hillarycare debate.

The GOP made a collective decision to obstruct health care reform and hand Obama his 'Waterloo'. They were given Frank Luntz talking points on how to obstruct reform while sounding like they were for it.

Again, you continue to either lie or you are just that blind and stupid.

Obama didn't do anything, the law we call Obamacare came about because he sat on the sideline for an entire year and only got involved when it became perfectly clear to everyone with a brain, which obviously excludes you, that nothing was going to pass. Even when he did get involved the only thing he did was position himself as the savior of the bill in order to maintain his historic position. Believe it or not, being the first black president is not his achievement, all of you need to get over it.

Still upset because I pointed out how dogmatic you are? If you actually had facts to back up your point you would post them, the problem is that absolutely no facts exist, all that exists is one story that contains an interview from before the 2009 midterms that the pundiots from the left have backdated.

Pundiots, I like that, anyone think it will catch on?

I have posted them numerous times. But you continue to ignore the facts.

And what Republicans did during the healthcare debate should not be deemed acceptable by either side. It was dishonest, contrived, destructive, an insult to We the People who were never a consideration by the right.

"If we’re able to stop Obama on this (healthcare) it will be his Waterloo. It will break him"
Senator Jim DeMint - July, 2009

Waterloo - March 21st, 2010
By David J. Frum, former economic speechwriter for President George W. Bush.


"At the beginning of this process we made a strategic decision: unlike, say, Democrats in 2001 when President Bush proposed his first tax cut, we would make no deal with the administration. No negotiations, no compromise, nothing. We were going for all the marbles. This would be Obama’s Waterloo – just as healthcare was Clinton’s in 1994."

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Could a deal have been reached? Who knows? But we do know that the gap between this plan and traditional Republican ideas is not very big. The Obama plan has a broad family resemblance to Mitt Romney’s Massachusetts plan. It builds on ideas developed at the Heritage Foundation in the early 1990s that formed the basis for Republican counter-proposals to Clintoncare in 1993-1994.

 

[Trajan]

I hope Obama, if Romney loses because of the inanity and insanity of the extremists in his party, destroys the GOP as it is. It needs to be remade for the 21st century, with the far right excluded to form their own minority party.

Drip needs adjustment jake? Ah right, you're a republican..

 

[JakeStarkey]

Unlike you, Trajan, who merely is a running dog. Go get your own party, Sir Drip.

 

[Trajan]

Obama did not repackaged Hillarycare. In reality he repackaged Romneycare. The Affordable Healthcare Act is much closer to the Republican proposals that were offered back in the early 1990's during the Hillarycare debate.

The GOP made a collective decision to obstruct health care reform and hand Obama his 'Waterloo'. They were given Frank Luntz talking points on how to obstruct reform while sounding like they were for it.

Again, you continue to either lie or you are just that blind and stupid.

Obama didn't do anything, the law we call Obamacare came about because he sat on the sideline for an entire year and only got involved when it became perfectly clear to everyone with a brain, which obviously excludes you, that nothing was going to pass. Even when he did get involved the only thing he did was position himself as the savior of the bill in order to maintain his historic position. Believe it or not, being the first black president is not his achievement, all of you need to get over it.

Still upset because I pointed out how dogmatic you are? If you actually had facts to back up your point you would post them, the problem is that absolutely no facts exist, all that exists is one story that contains an interview from before the 2009 midterms that the pundiots from the left have backdated.

Pundiots, I like that, anyone think it will catch on?

I have posted them numerous times. But you continue to ignore the facts.

And what Republicans did during the healthcare debate should not be deemed acceptable by either side. It was dishonest, contrived, destructive, an insult to We the People who were never a consideration by the right.

"If we’re able to stop Obama on this (healthcare) it will be his Waterloo. It will break him"
Senator Jim DeMint - July, 2009

Waterloo - March 21st, 2010
By David J. Frum, former economic speechwriter for President George W. Bush.


"At the beginning of this process we made a strategic decision: unlike, say, Democrats in 2001 when President Bush proposed his first tax cut, we would make no deal with the administration. No negotiations, no compromise, nothing. We were going for all the marbles. This would be Obama’s Waterloo – just as healthcare was Clinton’s in 1994."

...

Could a deal have been reached? Who knows? But we do know that the gap between this plan and traditional Republican ideas is not very big. The Obama plan has a broad family resemblance to Mitt Romney’s Massachusetts plan. It builds on ideas developed at the Heritage Foundation in the early 1990s that formed the basis for Republican counter-proposals to Clintoncare in 1993-1994.

Thn why didn't the admin. during the run up and showdown to the votes in congress on obamacare laud its dual progeny?