THIS was the Afghan Air Force!!!!WTF!!!!

[odanny]

What did they have to fight with? We had already pulled out the only air support they had. And stopped all assistance, and told the world they were turning our backs on them.

The moment we did that the country was lost, and there was not a damned thing they could do to stop it.

20 years of training an Afghan army, and they lasted three days. If we stayed another 20 years, they might have lasted a week or two.

 

[Vrenn]

That isn't true.

Isn't it amazing that whenever the U.S. runs away that somehow the people we were allied with were "corrupt" or "wouldn't fight".

I have to disagree on this one. The corruption of the many different South Vietnamese Administrations sucked funds just like the many levels of corruption of the Afghan Government. But there was one huge difference this time. While the SV didn't have the fuel and ammo, the Afghans did have. The SVA had the will to fight just not the equipment and were overrun. The Afghans had superior numbers and equipment but lacked the will to fight and were overrun.

 

[Vrenn]

That still don't change the fact that a single U.S. A-10 can deliver as much ordnance on target as ALL OF the Super Tucano's combined. And do it 50% faster, several hundred miles further from its base.

The A-10 is only 60mph faster than the A-29. The A-10 has a 288 mile CAS range while the A-29 has a 340 mile CAS range. The A-29 has more than enough for a few CAS missions in a single load. Yes, the A-10 has a higher ability but for CAS, the A-10 is an overkill.

The A-10 was never designed for CAS. It ended up in that role because USAF didn't have anything left in the inventory for that role. The A-10 was an Anti Armor Ship and was very good against anything from a T-80 and down that the Soviets had at the time. The only bird left originally intended for the CAS role was the AC-130 and the powers that be refused to use it in that role at that time.

Cost of operation means that the A-29 is as good at CAS as the A-10. Overkill is no better than just good enough. But if you want to throw the dollar amount away, why not throw a 300 million dollar AC-130J in the mix. Both the A-10 and the A-29 loses to those big guns, accurate avionics and hot missiles. But only if we are going to be as insane as the others.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

It will look far more unfavourably on George W. Bush

With None of Their Puppy Preppies in the Fight, They Can Treat Us Like Dogs

If we, the real Americans, forced the unAmerican hereditary ruling class to send its sons to the frontlines, none of these stillborn wars would ever happen. The draft must include the rulers' wannabe flunkies, too: no college deferments, National Guard and Reserves for veterans only, no medical exemptions from bribed private doctors.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

The ARVNs were willing to fight. They fought even when outclassed by the Soviet trained and armed heavy armor forces used to invade the RVN. Yes many of their officers were corrupt, but the troops were brave and capable fighters.

Racism Is Patriotism. Force the Preppies to Fight So They'll Learn That Lesson.

These inferior races our Whiteys Hating ****** rulers stick us with are cowards, crooks, and collaborators with the other half of their backward species, our enemy, thrill-killing beasts.

 

[Meathead]

President Biden (and many others) have loved to point out that the "Afghanistan had an Air Force" in constrast to the Taliban. This to drive home their point about the Afghans not being willing to fight.

By simply saying the "Afghans have an Air Force" is implies and brings forth the imagery and idea that the Afghans have ranks of B-52s and A-10s available to pounce on the Taliban.

In reality this was the Afghan Air Force.

Not a single jet powered or multi engined combat aircraft in the lot.

List of Afghan Air Force aircraft - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Indeed, about the ONLY fixed wing combat aircraft is the Super Tucano. A single engined propeller driven aircraft that would be hideously vulnerable even to regular rifle fire.

Yet someone these handful of relics people expect to stand off tens of thousands of fanatical Taliban.

Those aircraft are not at all unusual for primitive countries. I worked at Aero in the Czech Rep. and the Albatross L 39 Aero L-39 Albatros - Wikipedia was developed for countries that could not operate the more complex L 59 Aero L-59 Super Albatros - Wikipedia which had American technology, could not be sold without US permission and was too complex to be maintained and flown by village idiots. As a result it is out of production.

 

[toobfreak]

President Biden (and many others) have loved to point out that the "Afghanistan had an Air Force" in constrast to the Taliban. This to drive home their point about the Afghans not being willing to fight.

One of their airplanes is a 1921 Sopwith!

 

[Unkotare]

Racism Is Patriotism. ...

What the **** is that supposed to mean?

 

[Unkotare]

Force the Preppies to Fight.....

Do you realize that "preppies" is an expression from the 1980s? Just how old are you?

 

[TNHarley]

The Afghans weren't willing to fight. That's undeniable, therefore you're denying it. The South Vietnamese weren't willing to fight either, so the civil war there was also unwinnable.

For how many more hundreds of years did you want the USA in Afghanistan? History will look favorably on both Biden and Trump here.

Why deflect? If you are hell bent on posting, why not post something relevant?
Oh yeah! I remember now
Because.
Cult.

 

[Dayton3]

With None of Their Puppy Preppies in the Fight, They Can Treat Us Like Dogs

If we, the real Americans, forced the unAmerican hereditary ruling class to send its sons to the frontlines, none of these stillborn wars would ever happen. The draft must include the rulers' wannabe flunkies, too: no college deferments, National Guard and Reserves for veterans only, no medical exemptions from bribed private doctors.

George W. Bush's nephew served in Afghanistan. Sarah Palin's son served there too IIRC.

Lyndon Johnson's son in law served in Vietnam.

 

[Mushroom]

The A-10 is only 60mph faster than the A-29. The A-10 has a 288 mile CAS range while the A-29 has a 340 mile CAS range. The A-29 has more than enough for a few CAS missions in a single load.

But here is the biggest difference. The A-10 can be refueled in air, the Super Tucano can not. So you can already forget the 288 mile limit, call it "300 miles from the tanker" to be completely accurate. And that can be another 200 miles from the base itself.

Typically Combat Aircraft will take off, then go to a point where they will be topped off, then linger in a set area until needed. And if their fuel is getting low, they return to the tanker and fill up again. That means that unlike the Tucano, the A-10 can remain on station until it is out of ammo, or pilot fatigue forces them to return to base.

 

[Mushroom]

If we, the real Americans, forced the unAmerican hereditary ruling class to send its sons to the frontlines, none of these stillborn wars would ever happen. The draft must include the rulers' wannabe flunkies, too: no college deferments, National Guard and Reserves for veterans only, no medical exemptions from bribed private doctors.

Completely retarded.

Are you even aware that most of those who fought in the Army in the various wars were actually in the National Guard? And the National Guard and Reserve makes up over half of the Army strength? So in other words, I guess you want to totally eliminate both the Guard and Reserve.

Oh, and they are "deferments", as most officers are college graduates. So I guess that means that once a war starts, no more colleges, shut them all down, including Annapolis, Colorado Springs, and West Point. Oh, and we had better hope we do not lose many Officers, as once the war starts we are not getting any new ones.

Thank you, for one of the most ill thought out posts I have seen here in ages.

 

[Mushroom]

George W. Bush's nephew served in Afghanistan. Sarah Palin's son served there too IIRC.

Lyndon Johnson's son in law served in Vietnam.

President Biden's son Beau served in both Kosovo and Iraq. Hunter tried to serve, but seems he liked the smell of nose candy too much.

Wanna bet the one screaming never served themselves? I always find it funny that those who scream the loudest about such nonsense never did so themselves.

 

[Crepitus]

President Biden (and many others) have loved to point out that the "Afghanistan had an Air Force" in constrast to the Taliban. This to drive home their point about the Afghans not being willing to fight.

By simply saying the "Afghans have an Air Force" is implies and brings forth the imagery and idea that the Afghans have ranks of B-52s and A-10s available to pounce on the Taliban.

In reality this was the Afghan Air Force.

Not a single jet powered or multi engined combat aircraft in the lot.

List of Afghan Air Force aircraft - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Indeed, about the ONLY fixed wing combat aircraft is the Super Tucano. A single engined propeller driven aircraft that would be hideously vulnerable even to regular rifle fire.

Yet someone these handful of relics people expect to stand off tens of thousands of fanatical Taliban.

I was pointing that out the other day when the conservative types were having kittens about captured military equipment.

 

[gtopa1]

I got one for ya. We worked for the first six months I was there on creating an aircraft forms documentation program. We drafted something that the semi-literate Afghans could understand. We settled on a system that combined US Army, and US Air Force systems, taking the most obvious, easiest, and basic components of each.
These replaced their old 'forms' binders which were constructed out of cardboard boxes, and safety wire. These old forms were little more than a couple notes from mechanic to mechanic, and aircrew, not sufficient. The brand new forms were sectioned, white binders similar to those which US aircraft have.
We trained the Afghans on the new forms. We held numerous classes, held hands on courses where we instructed on forms documentation. We drafted legacy training curriculum that they could use, and expand upon, and trained their managers, to include the AAF/QA Commander, and AAF Training Wing Commander.

Then

We had a green on blue attack and ops ceased for about two weeks.
When we returned after 10 days. Our forms had been thrown on the corner of a hangar, others in the garbage, and their old binders were back.

I have one more though...the best ever.

One of my main projects with the AAF was drafting both Check Flight, and aircraft weight and balance operating Instructions.

I worked with the AAF QA Chief for months, comparing and contrasting our program with US Army, and AAF methods. however, one day we reached a sticking point on procedure. The QA Chief told me to hold on he may have something to help me. He then went to his cabinet and retrieved four folders. These were all programs, drafted by previous advisors, going back 10 years...for the exact same thing. The US Army had written them, the US Navy, and another Air force advisor.
He knew the ENTIRE time I was putting in all those hours drafting, redrafting, coordinating, and submitting that they already had these programs in writing, but never told me.

The goal, the entire time, was to stall. to hide previous accomplishments, to play stupid, to game the system. It was all a great big game to them.

Well, I hope those cocksuckers are having fun now.

Your contemp for those of "lesser" ability is obvious. Did you at any time wonder if you could include them in the design of your new "paperwork" regime?? What would a dose of HUMILITY have done instead of pontificating???

OK; it is obvious he saw you as some sort of bureaucratic time waster. Did you do anything to dispel that?

Greg

 

[Gabe Lackmann]

Your contemp for those of "lesser" ability is obvious. Did you at any time wonder if you could include them in the design of your new "paperwork" regime?? What would a dose of HUMILITY have done instead of pontificating???

OK; it is obvious he saw you as some sort of bureaucratic time waster. Did you do anything to dispel that?

Greg

I clearly stated this...but since you are a ******* idiot I will restate.
Who do you think was involved? The Afghan AF Chief of Quality Assurance co-authored and approved everything with his AAF leadership. Additionally, he permitted me to waste 6 months drafting, and submitting a program for approval that he already approved, on four separate occasions over an ~8-10 year period with three other advisor teams. So who was wasting time?

 

[Vrenn]

But here is the biggest difference. The A-10 can be refueled in air, the Super Tucano can not. So you can already forget the 288 mile limit, call it "300 miles from the tanker" to be completely accurate. And that can be another 200 miles from the base itself.

Typically Combat Aircraft will take off, then go to a point where they will be topped off, then linger in a set area until needed. And if their fuel is getting low, they return to the tanker and fill up again. That means that unlike the Tucano, the A-10 can remain on station until it is out of ammo, or pilot fatigue forces them to return to base.

I spent 8 years in a Tanker outfit. Strategic Bombers gets the priorities. Everything else draws from a hat with limited numbers in it. Even in war. We had a F-4 that was shotup, front seater punched out, the pilot was wounded and his seat malfunctioned. He was down to one engine, no canopy, leaking fuel and a couple of hundred miles back to a runway. He was losing speed slowly and altitude. Had there been a tanker available the tanker could have given him fuel to keep his one engine running and used the boom to force him to mantain altitude all the way to just before landing. But on was not available. The escorting F-4s went as far as to invert and fly belly to belly for short periods of time to buy him some altitude and speed. He made it within 2 miles of the end of your runway.

Now, a 3rd world country really can't afford a 200 million dollar (probably closer to 400 million) tanker for an A-10 plus the 20 to 40 million for the A-10s. Just that tanker alone buys a whole tarmac full of A-29s and AT-6s.

 

[Dayton3]

We had a F-4 that was shotup, front seater punched out, the pilot was wounded and his seat malfunctioned.

The pilot IS the front seater.

 

[Mushroom]

The pilot IS the front seater.

Is what I thought.

And it was not exactly like we were using a lot of strategic bombers in Afghanistan outside of the surges. Or in Iraq for that matter.