This nation was founded and built on Free-dom and not on Free-shit

[pknopp]

Subsidies.......we are talking subsidies, not tax rates.

Good real Americans take great pride in investing the "GENERAL WELFARE" of America in GENERAL...why / how does that confuse you?

It doesn't. I've said for a long time that most everyone supports Socialism.

I'm thinking you fools are writing your own dictionaries again?

so·cial·ism
/ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/
noun

1. a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
   
   Similar:
   leftism
   
   Fabianism
   syndicalism
   
   consumer socialism
   utopian socialism
   
   welfarism
   
   communism
   
   Bolshevism
   
   radicalism
   
   militancy
   
   progressivism
   
   social democracy
   
   laborism
   Marxism
   
   Leninism
   
   Marxism–Leninism
   
   neo-Marxism
   Trotskyism
   
   Maoism
   
   
   Opposite:
   conservatism
   • policy or practice based on the political and economic theory of socialism.
     
     Similar:
     leftism
     
     Fabianism
     syndicalism
     
     consumer socialism
     utopian socialism
     
     welfarism
     
     communism
     
     Bolshevism
     
     radicalism
     
     militancy
     
     progressivism
     
     social democracy
     
     laborism
     Marxism
     
     Leninism
     
     Marxism–Leninism
     
     neo-Marxism
     Trotskyism
     
     Maoism
     
     
     Opposite:
     conservatism
     
     
   • (in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of Communism.

This argument has been hashed out many times over. Bernie advocates for a program to help the people and people condemn it as Socialism. Someone else comes up with a program to benefit corporations and all of a sudden it's not socialism.

Hahaha...your spin is just that...a spin.
You're struggling to understand the difference between an investment and a gift....Its quite fascinating to watch to be honest.

Seeing that those who many struggle to afford a degree can do so is an investment.

 

[Dick Foster]

Do you go through life with blinders on? Open your fucking eyes.

58% of Americans Have Less Than $1,000 in Savings, Survey Finds
58% of Americans Have Less Than $1,000 in Savings, Survey Finds

That is a very disturbing statistic and bears exploration but is a very weak, non-relevant retort or support that “I have blinders on”. Again, I’d rather have corporate welfare vs. direct welfare to illegals. It provides a better return.

There is very little direct welfare to illegals but what there is as I said, corporate welfare.

Again, any corporate welfare yields better returns than any illegal welfare.

Again, it's all the same so I guess you are saying you support it all. I guess you are saying you are a Communist.

I am a Conservative Capitalist. If entities are bearing risk - including global competition from companies with more favorable tax breaks, then I see no issue with the “welfare” they seek which turns out to be incentives and investment from the State so that they can expand their tax base. It’s not the same.

That's a pretty odd avatar for a conservative capitalist to be sporting. Probably the most infamous communist terrorist in history for pity sake.Now who'd a thunk it.

 

[CWayne]

As the demographics change in America and move further from our founding demos so to does the principles that our great nation was once pillared by.
So where does it end...where are we headed?
How many more needy, dependent, thirdworld minded folks do Democrats need to successfully launch that commie-lite version of governance they have been easing us into?
They’ll fail with the almost dead Bernie in 2020...but what if they had moved ten or twenty million of their brown pet humans from Mexifornia and into some swing states?
What if the party of twisted fools had a younger, browner, gayer beggar running and pitching the same shit that almost dead Bernie is?

Here is a very good speech by AG Barr regarding where we were vs where we are and provides some hints to what we should be doing to combat the slow fall into tyranny we are expeiencing.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Good real Americans take great pride in investing the "GENERAL WELFARE" of America in GENERAL...why / how does that confuse you?

It doesn't. I've said for a long time that most everyone supports Socialism.

I'm thinking you fools are writing your own dictionaries again?

so·cial·ism
/ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/
noun

1. a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
   
   Similar:
   leftism
   
   Fabianism
   syndicalism
   
   consumer socialism
   utopian socialism
   
   welfarism
   
   communism
   
   Bolshevism
   
   radicalism
   
   militancy
   
   progressivism
   
   social democracy
   
   laborism
   Marxism
   
   Leninism
   
   Marxism–Leninism
   
   neo-Marxism
   Trotskyism
   
   Maoism
   
   
   Opposite:
   conservatism
   • policy or practice based on the political and economic theory of socialism.
     
     Similar:
     leftism
     
     Fabianism
     syndicalism
     
     consumer socialism
     utopian socialism
     
     welfarism
     
     communism
     
     Bolshevism
     
     radicalism
     
     militancy
     
     progressivism
     
     social democracy
     
     laborism
     Marxism
     
     Leninism
     
     Marxism–Leninism
     
     neo-Marxism
     Trotskyism
     
     Maoism
     
     
     Opposite:
     conservatism
     
     
   • (in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of Communism.

This argument has been hashed out many times over. Bernie advocates for a program to help the people and people condemn it as Socialism. Someone else comes up with a program to benefit corporations and all of a sudden it's not socialism.

Hahaha...your spin is just that...a spin.
You're struggling to understand the difference between an investment and a gift....Its quite fascinating to watch to be honest.

Seeing that those who many struggle to afford a degree can do so is an investment.

By the time they reach the collegiate age we had already invested in their education for 12 years at $12k per year...should we buy them double masters degrees as well...pay for their med school?

 

[rightwinger]

Tell that to companies who send an army of lobbyists to the Hill each day buying subsidies and tax breaks.

These 91 companies paid no federal taxes in 2018
These 91 companies paid no federal taxes in 2018

How Corporate Welfare Hurts You
How Corporate Welfare Hurts You

Looks like corporate free shit

 

[pknopp]

It doesn't. I've said for a long time that most everyone supports Socialism.

I'm thinking you fools are writing your own dictionaries again?

so·cial·ism
/ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/
noun

1. a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
   
   Similar:
   leftism
   
   Fabianism
   syndicalism
   
   consumer socialism
   utopian socialism
   
   welfarism
   
   communism
   
   Bolshevism
   
   radicalism
   
   militancy
   
   progressivism
   
   social democracy
   
   laborism
   Marxism
   
   Leninism
   
   Marxism–Leninism
   
   neo-Marxism
   Trotskyism
   
   Maoism
   
   
   Opposite:
   conservatism
   • policy or practice based on the political and economic theory of socialism.
     
     Similar:
     leftism
     
     Fabianism
     syndicalism
     
     consumer socialism
     utopian socialism
     
     welfarism
     
     communism
     
     Bolshevism
     
     radicalism
     
     militancy
     
     progressivism
     
     social democracy
     
     laborism
     Marxism
     
     Leninism
     
     Marxism–Leninism
     
     neo-Marxism
     Trotskyism
     
     Maoism
     
     
     Opposite:
     conservatism
     
     
   • (in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of Communism.

This argument has been hashed out many times over. Bernie advocates for a program to help the people and people condemn it as Socialism. Someone else comes up with a program to benefit corporations and all of a sudden it's not socialism.

Hahaha...your spin is just that...a spin.
You're struggling to understand the difference between an investment and a gift....Its quite fascinating to watch to be honest.

Seeing that those who many struggle to afford a degree can do so is an investment.

By the time they reach the collegiate age we had already invested in their education for 12 years at $12k per year...should we buy them double masters degrees as well...pay for their med school?

Why not? We have subsidized corporate farming for decades and then Trump gives them billions more.

 

[BrokeLoser]

I'm thinking you fools are writing your own dictionaries again?

so·cial·ism
/ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/
noun

1. a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
   
   Similar:
   leftism
   
   Fabianism
   syndicalism
   
   consumer socialism
   utopian socialism
   
   welfarism
   
   communism
   
   Bolshevism
   
   radicalism
   
   militancy
   
   progressivism
   
   social democracy
   
   laborism
   Marxism
   
   Leninism
   
   Marxism–Leninism
   
   neo-Marxism
   Trotskyism
   
   Maoism
   
   
   Opposite:
   conservatism
   • policy or practice based on the political and economic theory of socialism.
     
     Similar:
     leftism
     
     Fabianism
     syndicalism
     
     consumer socialism
     utopian socialism
     
     welfarism
     
     communism
     
     Bolshevism
     
     radicalism
     
     militancy
     
     progressivism
     
     social democracy
     
     laborism
     Marxism
     
     Leninism
     
     Marxism–Leninism
     
     neo-Marxism
     Trotskyism
     
     Maoism
     
     
     Opposite:
     conservatism
     
     
   • (in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of Communism.

This argument has been hashed out many times over. Bernie advocates for a program to help the people and people condemn it as Socialism. Someone else comes up with a program to benefit corporations and all of a sudden it's not socialism.

Hahaha...your spin is just that...a spin.
You're struggling to understand the difference between an investment and a gift....Its quite fascinating to watch to be honest.

Seeing that those who many struggle to afford a degree can do so is an investment.

By the time they reach the collegiate age we had already invested in their education for 12 years at $12k per year...should we buy them double masters degrees as well...pay for their med school?

Why not? We have subsidized corporate farming for decades and then Trump gives them billions more.

haha...you and your weird tunnel vision are a lost cause.

 

[anynameyouwish]

As the demographics change in America and move further from our founding demos so to does the principles that our great nation was once pillared by.
So where does it end...where are we headed?
How many more needy, dependent, thirdworld minded folks do Democrats need to successfully launch that commie-lite version of governance they have been easing us into?
They’ll fail with the almost dead Bernie in 2020...but what if they had moved ten or twenty million of their brown pet humans from Mexifornia and into some swing states?
What if the party of twisted fools had a younger, browner, gayer beggar running and pitching the same shit that almost dead Bernie is?

so you SUPPORT gay rights? gay marriage? legal pot? legal drugs? legal prostitution? secular government? freedom of religion? drinking while driving?

 

[pknopp]

This argument has been hashed out many times over. Bernie advocates for a program to help the people and people condemn it as Socialism. Someone else comes up with a program to benefit corporations and all of a sudden it's not socialism.

Hahaha...your spin is just that...a spin.
You're struggling to understand the difference between an investment and a gift....Its quite fascinating to watch to be honest.

Seeing that those who many struggle to afford a degree can do so is an investment.

By the time they reach the collegiate age we had already invested in their education for 12 years at $12k per year...should we buy them double masters degrees as well...pay for their med school?

Why not? We have subsidized corporate farming for decades and then Trump gives them billions more.

haha...you and your weird tunnel vision are a lost cause.

Facts seem to bother you.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Hahaha...your spin is just that...a spin.
You're struggling to understand the difference between an investment and a gift....Its quite fascinating to watch to be honest.

Seeing that those who many struggle to afford a degree can do so is an investment.

By the time they reach the collegiate age we had already invested in their education for 12 years at $12k per year...should we buy them double masters degrees as well...pay for their med school?

Why not? We have subsidized corporate farming for decades and then Trump gives them billions more.

haha...you and your weird tunnel vision are a lost cause.

Facts seem to bother you.

The fact is you want Americans to embrace funding wetbacks like they embrace investing in our food sources. Sorry, ain't ever gonna happen.

 

[BrokeLoser]

As the demographics change in America and move further from our founding demos so to does the principles that our great nation was once pillared by.
So where does it end...where are we headed?
How many more needy, dependent, thirdworld minded folks do Democrats need to successfully launch that commie-lite version of governance they have been easing us into?
They’ll fail with the almost dead Bernie in 2020...but what if they had moved ten or twenty million of their brown pet humans from Mexifornia and into some swing states?
What if the party of twisted fools had a younger, browner, gayer beggar running and pitching the same shit that almost dead Bernie is?

so you SUPPORT gay rights? gay marriage? legal pot? legal drugs? legal prostitution? secular government? freedom of religion? drinking while driving?

NEGATIVE...I do not support nothing you mention.

 

[anynameyouwish]

It doesn't. I've said for a long time that most everyone supports Socialism.

I'm thinking you fools are writing your own dictionaries again?

so·cial·ism
/ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/
noun

1. a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
   
   Similar:
   leftism
   
   Fabianism
   syndicalism
   
   consumer socialism
   utopian socialism
   
   welfarism
   
   communism
   
   Bolshevism
   
   radicalism
   
   militancy
   
   progressivism
   
   social democracy
   
   laborism
   Marxism
   
   Leninism
   
   Marxism–Leninism
   
   neo-Marxism
   Trotskyism
   
   Maoism
   
   
   Opposite:
   conservatism
   • policy or practice based on the political and economic theory of socialism.
     
     Similar:
     leftism
     
     Fabianism
     syndicalism
     
     consumer socialism
     utopian socialism
     
     welfarism
     
     communism
     
     Bolshevism
     
     radicalism
     
     militancy
     
     progressivism
     
     social democracy
     
     laborism
     Marxism
     
     Leninism
     
     Marxism–Leninism
     
     neo-Marxism
     Trotskyism
     
     Maoism
     
     
     Opposite:
     conservatism
     
     
   • (in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of Communism.

This argument has been hashed out many times over. Bernie advocates for a program to help the people and people condemn it as Socialism. Someone else comes up with a program to benefit corporations and all of a sudden it's not socialism.

Hahaha...your spin is just that...a spin.
You're struggling to understand the difference between an investment and a gift....Its quite fascinating to watch to be honest.

Seeing that those who many struggle to afford a degree can do so is an investment.

By the time they reach the collegiate age we had already invested in their education for 12 years at $12k per year...should we buy them double masters degrees as well...pay for their med school?

well

you can either say "wouldn't it be nice if all Americans had access to education and training that helped to make ALL Americans successful and help America to continue to be a GREAT COUNTRY.....
a shining city on a hill....."

or....you can say " i hope the next doctor I have hasn't had any training that I had to pay for....I'd rather DIE than receive excellent medical care...."

"We must always consider", he said, "that we shall be as a city upon a hill—the eyes of all people are upon us". ... They are Americans awed by what has gone before, proud of what for them is still… a shining city on a hill.

 

[rightwinger]

If the nation was founded on Freedom

Why did we allow Slavery?

 

[pknopp]

Seeing that those who many struggle to afford a degree can do so is an investment.

By the time they reach the collegiate age we had already invested in their education for 12 years at $12k per year...should we buy them double masters degrees as well...pay for their med school?

Why not? We have subsidized corporate farming for decades and then Trump gives them billions more.

haha...you and your weird tunnel vision are a lost cause.

Facts seem to bother you.

The fact is you want Americans to embrace funding wetbacks like they embrace investing in our food sources. Sorry, ain't ever gonna happen.

I'm for ending support of corporate subsidies. Part of that is supporting illegals. The subsidies exist so that business can have their cheap labor.

 

[BrokeLoser]

If the nation was founded on Freedom

Why did we allow Slavery?

Our freedom is granted through that pesky document you hate...that pesky document was written to benefit the citizens of this nation you hate....that pesky document was never intended to benefit the citizens of Africa or Mexico....sucks for you huh?

 

[BrokeLoser]

I'm thinking you fools are writing your own dictionaries again?

so·cial·ism
/ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/
noun

1. a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
   
   Similar:
   leftism
   
   Fabianism
   syndicalism
   
   consumer socialism
   utopian socialism
   
   welfarism
   
   communism
   
   Bolshevism
   
   radicalism
   
   militancy
   
   progressivism
   
   social democracy
   
   laborism
   Marxism
   
   Leninism
   
   Marxism–Leninism
   
   neo-Marxism
   Trotskyism
   
   Maoism
   
   
   Opposite:
   conservatism
   • policy or practice based on the political and economic theory of socialism.
     
     Similar:
     leftism
     
     Fabianism
     syndicalism
     
     consumer socialism
     utopian socialism
     
     welfarism
     
     communism
     
     Bolshevism
     
     radicalism
     
     militancy
     
     progressivism
     
     social democracy
     
     laborism
     Marxism
     
     Leninism
     
     Marxism–Leninism
     
     neo-Marxism
     Trotskyism
     
     Maoism
     
     
     Opposite:
     conservatism
     
     
   • (in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of Communism.

This argument has been hashed out many times over. Bernie advocates for a program to help the people and people condemn it as Socialism. Someone else comes up with a program to benefit corporations and all of a sudden it's not socialism.

Hahaha...your spin is just that...a spin.
You're struggling to understand the difference between an investment and a gift....Its quite fascinating to watch to be honest.

Seeing that those who many struggle to afford a degree can do so is an investment.

By the time they reach the collegiate age we had already invested in their education for 12 years at $12k per year...should we buy them double masters degrees as well...pay for their med school?

well

you can either say "wouldn't it be nice if all Americans had access to education and training that helped to make ALL Americans successful and help America to continue to be a GREAT COUNTRY.....
a shining city on a hill....."

or....you can say " i hope the next doctor I have hasn't had any training that I had to pay for....I'd rather DIE than receive excellent medical care...."

"We must always consider", he said, "that we shall be as a city upon a hill—the eyes of all people are upon us". ... They are Americans awed by what has gone before, proud of what for them is still… a shining city on a hill.

Think "GENERAL WELFARE" just as that pesky document uses it in the context it does.

 

[BrokeLoser]

By the time they reach the collegiate age we had already invested in their education for 12 years at $12k per year...should we buy them double masters degrees as well...pay for their med school?

Why not? We have subsidized corporate farming for decades and then Trump gives them billions more.

haha...you and your weird tunnel vision are a lost cause.

Facts seem to bother you.

The fact is you want Americans to embrace funding wetbacks like they embrace investing in our food sources. Sorry, ain't ever gonna happen.

I'm for ending support of corporate subsidies. Part of that is supporting illegals. The subsidies exist so that business can have their cheap labor.

We've spent $22T on the socialism you advocate for with no return or improvement....How much have we spent on "corporate subsidies" and what does the loss / reward look like?
I'm certain you have the numbers since you're so sure we don't operate in the black with regard to "corporate subsidies".

 

[CWayne]

I'm thinking you fools are writing your own dictionaries again?

so·cial·ism
/ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/
noun

1. a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
   
   Similar:
   leftism
   
   Fabianism
   syndicalism
   
   consumer socialism
   utopian socialism
   
   welfarism
   
   communism
   
   Bolshevism
   
   radicalism
   
   militancy
   
   progressivism
   
   social democracy
   
   laborism
   Marxism
   
   Leninism
   
   Marxism–Leninism
   
   neo-Marxism
   Trotskyism
   
   Maoism
   
   
   Opposite:
   conservatism
   • policy or practice based on the political and economic theory of socialism.
     
     Similar:
     leftism
     
     Fabianism
     syndicalism
     
     consumer socialism
     utopian socialism
     
     welfarism
     
     communism
     
     Bolshevism
     
     radicalism
     
     militancy
     
     progressivism
     
     social democracy
     
     laborism
     Marxism
     
     Leninism
     
     Marxism–Leninism
     
     neo-Marxism
     Trotskyism
     
     Maoism
     
     
     Opposite:
     conservatism
     
     
   • (in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of Communism.

This argument has been hashed out many times over. Bernie advocates for a program to help the people and people condemn it as Socialism. Someone else comes up with a program to benefit corporations and all of a sudden it's not socialism.

Hahaha...your spin is just that...a spin.
You're struggling to understand the difference between an investment and a gift....Its quite fascinating to watch to be honest.

Seeing that those who many struggle to afford a degree can do so is an investment.

By the time they reach the collegiate age we had already invested in their education for 12 years at $12k per year...should we buy them double masters degrees as well...pay for their med school?

well

you can either say "wouldn't it be nice if all Americans had access to education and training that helped to make ALL Americans successful and help America to continue to be a GREAT COUNTRY.....
a shining city on a hill....."

or....you can say " i hope the next doctor I have hasn't had any training that I had to pay for....I'd rather DIE than receive excellent medical care...."

"We must always consider", he said, "that we shall be as a city upon a hill—the eyes of all people are upon us". ... They are Americans awed by what has gone before, proud of what for them is still… a shining city on a hill.

So, when you say access, you are actually using code for 'other must pay for it'.

You see, they have access, everyone does.

Perhaps you will do what the others alway fail to do.

Detail the list of higher education that is an absolute must for this nation, provide the numbers of loans given for the essential vocations and then compare that to the overall number of loans provided to everyone who has been to college in the past 12 years.

Then tell Me again about 'access' and how we don't have any of it.

 

[pknopp]

Why not? We have subsidized corporate farming for decades and then Trump gives them billions more.

haha...you and your weird tunnel vision are a lost cause.

Facts seem to bother you.

The fact is you want Americans to embrace funding wetbacks like they embrace investing in our food sources. Sorry, ain't ever gonna happen.

I'm for ending support of corporate subsidies. Part of that is supporting illegals. The subsidies exist so that business can have their cheap labor.

We've spent $22T on the socialism you advocate for with no return or improvement....How much have we spent on "corporate subsidies" and what does the loss / reward look like?
I'm certain you have the numbers since you're so sure we don't operate in the black with regard to "corporate subsidies".

I don't really need to address a point you just make up.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

This nation was also founded on slavery and on the oppression of the native inhabitants. It was founded by immigrants..for immigrants. The vast majority of Brown people..work for a living, pay taxes, fight in our wars--and put up with shit from you ignorant types..most of whom are hypocritical enough to rant about free stuff..while taking from the Govt. themselves. By far the largest bunch of free stuff is Social Security and Medicare..followed by Food Stamps.

Social Security and Medicare are NOT free, people pay into that all their working years you dumb ass.