This may be problematic for Kash Patel

[TimFitz]

It is a legitimate argument that Trump implicitly declassified the document by removing them. NOBODY has suggested any nefarious purpose or any harm done. The whole case is bullshit.

The Dems have no legitimate reason not to confirm Patel so they revert to the "shiny object" strategy. It's meaningless but shiny.

Sorry, but that argument was laughed out of court.

 

[TimFitz]

Everything about Trash Patel is problematic!

 

[Concerned American]

The confirmation hearings are going to be a test of Republican senator's fidelity to trump, not to the country.

The majority of voters in the US put their trust in Trump. That same majority apparently trust his judgement. Enjoy the next four years. Elections have consequences.

 

[berg80]

Got any sources? according to people familiar with the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the situation and the people familiar with the matter said don't get it. Why didn't you just quote "your neighbor who has a friend that knows somebody that read an article told you." LMAO, try again.

Google Kash Patel pleads 5th, cuck.

 

[BackAgain]

Sorry, but that argument was laughed out of court.

No. It wasn’t.

 

[berg80]

The majority of voters in the US put their trust in Trump. That same majority apparently trust his judgement. Enjoy the next four years. Elections have consequences.

Their judgment has already proven to be in error.

 

[Concerned American]

Google Kash Patel pleads 5th, cuck.

You made the post---provide a source. You provided NOTHING.

 

[Concerned American]

Their judgment has already proven to be in error.

Let's see, SEVENTY-TWO MILLION VOTERS vs. YOU. I'LL go with the voters--moron.

 

[kyzr]

Kash won't have any problems. Just sayin'

 

[Marener]

No. It wasn’t.

It deserves to be because it’s idiotic.

 

[Lesh]

Kash won't have any problems. Just sayin'

Nostradufus speaketh

 

[kyzr]

Nostradufus speaketh

GOP Senators have spoken dipshit. I believe them. Count the "no" votes...

 

[Lesh]

GOP Senators have spoken dipshit. I believe them.

They’ll speak when they vote on his nomination

 

[Marener]

Kash won't have any problems. Just sayin'

Sure he will, but they’ll all stem from his incompetence and the fact that reality does not comport with his delusions.

 

[Clipper]

Got any sources? according to people familiar with the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the situation and the people familiar with the matter said don't get it. Why didn't you just quote "your neighbor who has a friend that knows somebody that read an article told you." LMAO, try again.

How many times is Patel going to take the 5th in order to protect the half human ape, Trump?

 

[kyzr]

Sure he will, but they’ll all stem from his incompetence and the fact that reality does not comport with his delusions.

How many democrats will vote for Kash? I bet its not zero. Count the votes. If democrats play politics, that is the new normal.

Republicans always hold their noses and vote for the presidents' nominees.

 

[Marener]

How many democrats will vote for Kash? I bet its not zero. Count the votes. If democrats play politics, that is the new normal.

Republicans always hold their noses and vote for the presidents' nominees.

It’s entirely possible Patel becomes director of the FBI.

That’s just the beginning of his problems. Not sure what he expects to do with it.

 

[WorldWatcher]

It is a legitimate argument that Trump implicitly declassified the document by removing them. NOBODY has suggested any nefarious purpose or any harm done. The whole case is bullshit.

No it is not a legitimate argument.

See this is what people that don't understand what "classified" shows. Documents are not "declassified" it is the information in the document that is declassified. The document is a piece of paper, it is the information that is important.

For example let’s say that there are 6 copies of a specific document containing specific classified information. One located in the White House, 5 located amongst various agencies which also need the document. In addition there are subordinate documents that contain (either in part of in whole some of the same classified information).

Under a normal process when the information contained in a highly classified documents is declassified (or downgraded) that impacts all copies of the document (its information, and subordinate documents containing the same information in whole or portions of a subordinate document).

So If the FPOTUS "declassified" a document, he is really declassifying the information in that document. If the FPOTUS, while acting as POTUS, "declassified" the information without telling anyone (either directly or in writing) for that specific document, you end up with:

• One copy of the information located at the White House (or one of his Country Clubs) being "declassified", and
• Five copies of the information located at the responsible agencies still being classified as the responsible agencies will not know the information was declassified because the FPOTUS (while POTUS) just mentally declassified the information in his head.

The result is someone could be prosecuted for improper handling of classified material for actions related to the 5 responsible agency documents, but not for improper handling of the exact same document if the source of the document was the White House. But they contain the same information! By this we are talking about the information in the document and subordinate information which sourced the document which can have even wider reaching impacts.

The national security infrastructure cannot function in a reasonable way if the same information is both classified and declassified at the same time simply because the POTUS chooses not to tell anyone.

Kind of a Schrodinger's Classified document where the same information is both classified and declassified at the same time until someone asks the FPOTUS to find out if he mentally and secretly declassified it without telling anyone while still POTUS. Normal people wouldn't know just by looking at the document.

WW

 

[Crepitus]

Prosecutors focus on Trump declassification claims in Kash Patel testimony: report​

Federal prosecutors questioned former Trump aide Kash Patel on Thursday about his previous claims that former President Trump had declassified documents recovered from Mar-a-Lago, The Washington Post reported.

Patel appeared for the second time in a month before a federal grand jury investigating Trump’s handling of classified documents after the Department of Justice agreed on Wednesday to grant him immunity for any information he provided.

The former Trump aide was also asked about how and why the former president took classified records with him to Mar-a-Lago, according to the Post.

Patel previously said in media interviews that he had witnessed Trump issue declassification orders near the end of his presidency, particularly on the FBI’s investigation into possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3719372-prosecutors-focus-on-trump-declassification-claims-in-kash-patel-testimony-report/

Patel’s grand jury appearance was his second in less than a month. At his first appearance in October, he asserted his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination, according to people familiar with the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the situation. Prosecutors argued he was not in legal jeopardy and therefore could not take the Fifth, but a federal judge disagreed with the government.
Prosecutors ultimately decided to grant Patel limited-use immunity, the people familiar with the matter said, meaning he could not be charged for a crime based on what he said in the grand jury, as long as he didn’t lie.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/11/03/kash-patel-grand-jury-trump/?utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=wp_news_alert_revere&location=alert

The problem for Kash (beyond his taking the 5th to protect himself from self incrimination, not a good look for the head of the FBI) is Jack Smith's indictment of Dotard and his co-defendants state trump in fact did not declassify the docs he stole.

Paradoxically, if Kash was telling the truth..........which he isn't.........it would mean trump declassified highly sensitive docs so he could........what........show them off to guests at MAL? Nah, he'd never do that.

Former press secretary says Trump showed classified documents to people on Mar-a-Lago dining patio​

Former press secretary says Trump showed classified documents to people on Mar-a-Lago dining patio

Former White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham said Saturday that she saw former President Trump show classified documents to people at his Mar-a-Lago residence in Florida. “I watched him sho…

thehill.com

The tRumplings will love this. the more felons the better.

 

[WorldWatcher]

No it is not a legitimate argument.

See this is what people that don't understand what "classified" shows. Documents are not "declassified" it is the information in the document that is declassified. The document is a piece of paper, it is the information that is important.

For example let’s say that there are 6 copies of a specific document containing specific classified information. One located in the White House, 5 located amongst various agencies which also need the document. In addition there are subordinate documents that contain (either in part of in whole some of the same classified information).

Under a normal process when the information contained in a highly classified documents is declassified (or downgraded) that impacts all copies of the document (its information, and subordinate documents containing the same information in whole or portions of a subordinate document).

So If the FPOTUS "declassified" a document, he is really declassifying the information in that document. If the FPOTUS, while acting as POTUS, "declassified" the information without telling anyone (either directly or in writing) for that specific document, you end up with:

• One copy of the information located at the White House (or one of his Country Clubs) being "declassified", and
• Five copies of the information located at the responsible agencies still being classified as the responsible agencies will not know the information was declassified because the FPOTUS (while POTUS) just mentally declassified the information in his head.

The result is someone could be prosecuted for improper handling of classified material for actions related to the 5 responsible agency documents, but not for improper handling of the exact same document if the source of the document was the White House. But they contain the same information! By this we are talking about the information in the document and subordinate information which sourced the document which can have even wider reaching impacts.

The national security infrastructure cannot function in a reasonable way if the same information is both classified and declassified at the same time simply because the POTUS chooses not to tell anyone.

Kind of a Schrodinger's Classified document where the same information is both classified and declassified at the same time until someone asks the FPOTUS to find out if he mentally and secretly declassified it without telling anyone while still POTUS. Normal people wouldn't know just by looking at the document.

WW

Oh and BTW - if it was a legitimate argument Trump's lawyers would have responded to the Grand Jury Subpeona in May 2022 that there were no classified documents at Mar-A-Lago since President Trump had declassified them prior to leaving office.

In addition, if President Trump had truly declassified to information, then there would have been no classified document to be turned over to the Offiers of the United States Government (NARA and FBI Agents) in June 2022.

Finally when asked by kthe Judge acting as the Special Master (appointed by Judge Aileen Cannon) in the Documents Case whether Trump had declassified the documents, they refused to answer.

All shows that Former President Trump had not declassified the documetns and would only make that claim in social media and in interviews, but would not make that claim in court.

WW