This makes a lot of sense.

[toomuchtime_]

In light of the failure of efforts to realize the two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian issue and the unlikelihood of creating a binational state, the most effective way to deal with the conflict is through a "controlled management" of the problem that includes the evacuation of isolated West Bank settlements. This, according to the director of the Begin-Sadat (BESA) Center for Strategic Studies at Bar-Ilan University, Prof. Efraim Inbar.

His latest study, "The Rise and Fall of the 'Two States for Two Peoples' Paradigm," whose publication coincides with the new eras in Washington and Jerusalem, Inbar writes that the best solution would be to repartition the country, with Egypt resuming control of the Gaza Strip and Jordan controlling the West Bank. But since such an arrangement would take time to implement, for now focus should be placed on managing the conflict in its current state. Inbar also proposes "stopping terror, reducing the amount of suffering caused to Israeli and to Palestinian society and preventing escalation."

These views provoke interest because BESA, which was founded about 15 years ago, is traditionally known as a mainly right-wing institution that generally reflects pro-military views.
According to Inbar, Israel will have to evacuate additional isolated settlements to reduce the friction between Jews and Palestinians as well as showing restraint in the use of force. He said that beyond making changes to its education system and its media in order to create a more positive atmosphere, little can be expected from the Palestinian Authority. Inbar says that correct management of the conflict, which must be carefully coordinated with Washington, will help to isolate Hamas.

Inbar says that the two-state solution to which the international community is currently committed is "nonsense" in the light of Hamas' takeover in Gaza and the impotence of the PA in the West Bank. He believes that the expectation that the Palestinians will create a modern state, after the PA's failure, are unreasonable. At the same time, Inbar is aware of the difficulty involved in letting go of the two-state idea among both governments and people throughout the world.

Head of right-wing think tank: Settlements must be evacuated - Haaretz - Israel News

 

[Xenophon]

Jordan wants no part of doing that, and I doubt Egypt wants to deal with the Pals either.

 

[dilloduck]

In light of the failure of efforts to realize the two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian issue and the unlikelihood of creating a binational state, the most effective way to deal with the conflict is through a "controlled management" of the problem that includes the evacuation of isolated West Bank settlements. This, according to the director of the Begin-Sadat (BESA) Center for Strategic Studies at Bar-Ilan University, Prof. Efraim Inbar.

His latest study, "The Rise and Fall of the 'Two States for Two Peoples' Paradigm," whose publication coincides with the new eras in Washington and Jerusalem, Inbar writes that the best solution would be to repartition the country, with Egypt resuming control of the Gaza Strip and Jordan controlling the West Bank. But since such an arrangement would take time to implement, for now focus should be placed on managing the conflict in its current state. Inbar also proposes "stopping terror, reducing the amount of suffering caused to Israeli and to Palestinian society and preventing escalation."

These views provoke interest because BESA, which was founded about 15 years ago, is traditionally known as a mainly right-wing institution that generally reflects pro-military views.
According to Inbar, Israel will have to evacuate additional isolated settlements to reduce the friction between Jews and Palestinians as well as showing restraint in the use of force. He said that beyond making changes to its education system and its media in order to create a more positive atmosphere, little can be expected from the Palestinian Authority. Inbar says that correct management of the conflict, which must be carefully coordinated with Washington, will help to isolate Hamas.

Inbar says that the two-state solution to which the international community is currently committed is "nonsense" in the light of Hamas' takeover in Gaza and the impotence of the PA in the West Bank. He believes that the expectation that the Palestinians will create a modern state, after the PA's failure, are unreasonable. At the same time, Inbar is aware of the difficulty involved in letting go of the two-state idea among both governments and people throughout the world.

Head of right-wing think tank: Settlements must be evacuated - Haaretz - Israel News

Is this basically saying that Israel with give land AND the Palistinians back to Jordan and Egypt ?

 

[toomuchtime_]

In light of the failure of efforts to realize the two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian issue and the unlikelihood of creating a binational state, the most effective way to deal with the conflict is through a "controlled management" of the problem that includes the evacuation of isolated West Bank settlements. This, according to the director of the Begin-Sadat (BESA) Center for Strategic Studies at Bar-Ilan University, Prof. Efraim Inbar.

His latest study, "The Rise and Fall of the 'Two States for Two Peoples' Paradigm," whose publication coincides with the new eras in Washington and Jerusalem, Inbar writes that the best solution would be to repartition the country, with Egypt resuming control of the Gaza Strip and Jordan controlling the West Bank. But since such an arrangement would take time to implement, for now focus should be placed on managing the conflict in its current state. Inbar also proposes "stopping terror, reducing the amount of suffering caused to Israeli and to Palestinian society and preventing escalation."

These views provoke interest because BESA, which was founded about 15 years ago, is traditionally known as a mainly right-wing institution that generally reflects pro-military views.
According to Inbar, Israel will have to evacuate additional isolated settlements to reduce the friction between Jews and Palestinians as well as showing restraint in the use of force. He said that beyond making changes to its education system and its media in order to create a more positive atmosphere, little can be expected from the Palestinian Authority. Inbar says that correct management of the conflict, which must be carefully coordinated with Washington, will help to isolate Hamas.

Inbar says that the two-state solution to which the international community is currently committed is "nonsense" in the light of Hamas' takeover in Gaza and the impotence of the PA in the West Bank. He believes that the expectation that the Palestinians will create a modern state, after the PA's failure, are unreasonable. At the same time, Inbar is aware of the difficulty involved in letting go of the two-state idea among both governments and people throughout the world.

Head of right-wing think tank: Settlements must be evacuated - Haaretz - Israel News

Is this basically saying that Israel with give land AND the Palistinians back to Jordan and Egypt ?

Minus the major West Bank settlements, about 6% of the West Bank. That's my understanding of it.

 

[dilloduck]

In light of the failure of efforts to realize the two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian issue and the unlikelihood of creating a binational state, the most effective way to deal with the conflict is through a "controlled management" of the problem that includes the evacuation of isolated West Bank settlements. This, according to the director of the Begin-Sadat (BESA) Center for Strategic Studies at Bar-Ilan University, Prof. Efraim Inbar.

His latest study, "The Rise and Fall of the 'Two States for Two Peoples' Paradigm," whose publication coincides with the new eras in Washington and Jerusalem, Inbar writes that the best solution would be to repartition the country, with Egypt resuming control of the Gaza Strip and Jordan controlling the West Bank. But since such an arrangement would take time to implement, for now focus should be placed on managing the conflict in its current state. Inbar also proposes "stopping terror, reducing the amount of suffering caused to Israeli and to Palestinian society and preventing escalation."

These views provoke interest because BESA, which was founded about 15 years ago, is traditionally known as a mainly right-wing institution that generally reflects pro-military views.
According to Inbar, Israel will have to evacuate additional isolated settlements to reduce the friction between Jews and Palestinians as well as showing restraint in the use of force. He said that beyond making changes to its education system and its media in order to create a more positive atmosphere, little can be expected from the Palestinian Authority. Inbar says that correct management of the conflict, which must be carefully coordinated with Washington, will help to isolate Hamas.

Inbar says that the two-state solution to which the international community is currently committed is "nonsense" in the light of Hamas' takeover in Gaza and the impotence of the PA in the West Bank. He believes that the expectation that the Palestinians will create a modern state, after the PA's failure, are unreasonable. At the same time, Inbar is aware of the difficulty involved in letting go of the two-state idea among both governments and people throughout the world.

Head of right-wing think tank: Settlements must be evacuated - Haaretz - Israel News

Is this basically saying that Israel with give land AND the Palistinians back to Jordan and Egypt ?

Minus the major West Bank settlements, about 6% of the West Bank. That's my understanding of it.

Worth a shot but years of propaganda on both sides to back off from---guess that's the education system portion.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Jordan wants no part of doing that, and I doubt Egypt wants to deal with the Pals either.

Nobody wants anything to do with the Palestinians, but clearly the Palestinians can't manage to put together a government that can offer Israel peace guarantees, thus no Palestinians state, and the present situation is destabilizing to Egypt and Jordan anyway.

 

[dilloduck]

Jordan wants no part of doing that, and I doubt Egypt wants to deal with the Pals either.

Nobody wants anything to do with the Palestinians, but clearly the Palestinians can't manage to put together a government that can offer Israel peace guarantees, thus no Palestinians state, and the present situation is destabilizing to Egypt and Jordan anyway.

true--well good luck to them--I'm not sure they want to be held responsible for them.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Jordan wants no part of doing that, and I doubt Egypt wants to deal with the Pals either.

Nobody wants anything to do with the Palestinians, but clearly the Palestinians can't manage to put together a government that can offer Israel peace guarantees, thus no Palestinians state, and the present situation is destabilizing to Egypt and Jordan anyway.

true--well good luck to them--I'm not sure they want to be held responsible for them.

That's perfectly understandable, but they're already being held accountable for what happens to the Palestinians by their own populations and by the rest of the Arab world, so maybe they'll come to think that they could do a better job of managing the situation than Israel is doing.

Maybe not, but as time goes on and the Palestinian population continues to grow, the pressure to do something will increase and that might force better cooperation among the three nations to work out some kind of permanent arrangement. There are only three possible permanent arrangements: a two state solution, a combined Jewish-Arab state or split up the territories among Egypt, Israel and Jordan. Since it seems unlikely the Palestinians will be able to manage a state of their own and since Israel will not agree to combined state, the only possibility left is to split up the land in pretty much the way it was before the 1967 war.

 

[dilloduck]

Nobody wants anything to do with the Palestinians, but clearly the Palestinians can't manage to put together a government that can offer Israel peace guarantees, thus no Palestinians state, and the present situation is destabilizing to Egypt and Jordan anyway.

true--well good luck to them--I'm not sure they want to be held responsible for them.

That's perfectly understandable, but they're already being held accountable for what happens to the Palestinians by their own populations and by the rest of the Arab world, so maybe they'll come to think that they could do a better job of managing the situation than Israel is doing.

Maybe not, but as time goes on and the Palestinian population continues to grow, the pressure to do something will increase and that might force better cooperation among the three nations to work out some kind of permanent arrangement. There are only three possible permanent arrangements: a two state solution, a combined Jewish-Arab state or split up the territories among Egypt, Israel and Jordan. Since it seems unlikely the Palestinians will be able to manage a state of their own and since Israel will not agree to combined state, the only possibility left is to split up the land in pretty much the way it was before the 1967 war.

probably the easier of 3 evils.

 

[Xenophon]

Jordan wants no part of doing that, and I doubt Egypt wants to deal with the Pals either.

Nobody wants anything to do with the Palestinians, but clearly the Palestinians can't manage to put together a government that can offer Israel peace guarantees, thus no Palestinians state, and the present situation is destabilizing to Egypt and Jordan anyway.

Jordan will NEVER go for it, the PLO once tried to overthrow the King there, they want no part of them anymore.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Jordan wants no part of doing that, and I doubt Egypt wants to deal with the Pals either.

Nobody wants anything to do with the Palestinians, but clearly the Palestinians can't manage to put together a government that can offer Israel peace guarantees, thus no Palestinians state, and the present situation is destabilizing to Egypt and Jordan anyway.

Jordan will NEVER go for it, the PLO once tried to overthrow the King there, they want no part of them anymore.

Yes, that was in 1970 and it was a bloody war, but Jordan now has good relations with the PA and is, in fact, training its security services, so as cooperation between Jordan and the PA grows stronger and as the new security services, hopefully, get control of the more radical elements in the West Bank, it is not impossible to think that cooperation could grow into the West Bank becoming part of Jordan again.

 

[DiveCon]

Jordan wants no part of doing that, and I doubt Egypt wants to deal with the Pals either.

Nobody wants anything to do with the Palestinians, but clearly the Palestinians can't manage to put together a government that can offer Israel peace guarantees, thus no Palestinians state, and the present situation is destabilizing to Egypt and Jordan anyway.

actually, the palestinians already have a state, its called Jordan
its 73% of the mandate

 

[GHook93]

Jordan wants no part of doing that, and I doubt Egypt wants to deal with the Pals either.

Very true! That is why Egypt never demanded back Gaza in the peace deals and why Jordan never demanded back the West Bank. Too bad Israel never gave back all the West Bank, except Jerusalem to Jordan in a peace deal. Then Jordan, which is nearly 50% Palestinian now would have swarmed to a Palestinian Majority. Then the Pals would have been Jordan's problem. No 10s of thousand of Palestinians would be killed in another Black September. Then the original paritition plan would come full circle. With the Palestinian uprising and majority take-over of Jordan, Jordan could have been rename Palestine. Israel could have remained onto the Jerusalem and annexed Gaza, making the 1 mil (at the time Arabs) Israel citizens like the Arab Israelis are. 6 mil Jews to 2.5 million Arabs wouldn't be that bad!

But this is fiction and ancient history. The Jordanian took care of their Palestinian problem with Black Sept and didn't want to reopen a chaper by taking WB!

 

[Shogun]

heaven fucking forbid israel stops putting a premium on being jewish and becomes an actual western plural state that enjoys more democracy than rationalized racism. If only the US could get away with the kid of racism israel does.. We sure wouldn't have the accusation of jews ruling American media anymore. This is NO LESS than israel sending it's ******* back to their africa and won't be any more successful than what we see today.