This is why we need to tax the wealthy

[rightwinger]

Seriously, you are making the argument that Communism is better than Capitalism. Facts at every level prove that you are incorrect. The US is the strongest country in the world both economically and militarily. No Communist country is in the same ball park with regards to GDP per capita. What don’t you understand? Yeah, you don’t. That is the problem.

Capitalism is superior to Communism but it still needs Government to oversee it and maintain a fair playing field

 

[gipper]

You brought up Boeing, not me. They are a huge corporation responsible for supplying our country and the world with a very important and critical component to our economy and yet the subsidies they receive pale in comparison to working class subsidies.

The working class is what allows Boeing to do all of what you're referring to. The workers need affordable housing, transportation, healthcare, and education..etc. They should also be allowed to get SBA loans to open labor cooperatives and other assistance, and if people like you don't like it, so what? If you have the gall to accuse working people of being bums because the government invests in them, you're delusional and hypocritical. You bend over backward to defend the rich and then crap on workers for receiving government services and public goods. Get out of the way capitalist.

In addition, every person receiving subsidies isn’t performing a critical service, if any, to our country and our economy.

The working class are the productive power of Boeing, that's the first thing you should realize. I'm against those who refuse to work and yet receive goverment assistance. Most welfare programs today, require people to get a job. The old days when people refused to work and still got a government check are gone. Most people in the ghetto, if not all of them, who receive public assistance, have jobs. There are very few people today, in the ghetto who don't work and also receive welfare checks.

When I refer to subsidies for the working class, I'm not just referring to people in the ghetto but to tens of millions of Americans like me who work hard for what they have, but need certain protections and services. We get our government resources and so do the wealthy capitalists, and I can live with that. I wouldn't be criticizing Boeing if people like you weren't crapping on people like me for getting assistance from the government for being members of a labor union (legal protection from the government), or living in a building here in Manhattan under rent controls. My rent would be $6000 monthly, if not for the government.

The cost of living is through the roof, and if left to the market, there wouldn't be any working-class people living in Manhattan, we would all be living in Yonkers or some other town in New York State or accriss the river in New Jersey, and we would be commuting to work in traffic for 2, 3 hours. The wealthy cut their noses despite their faces when they vote against rent controls because their workers have to live far away, rather than a couple of miles from their businesses. They have more business opportunities, a more diverse market, and customer base, thanks to living in a community where both the wealthy and people like me live together. This a huge city with all walks of life and incomes. It's what gives this city its unique character and charm.

In fact, in many cases, quite the opposite, which is why there is often a stigma.

This shows your ignorance of economics. The working class isn't just the nation's backbone concerning production, but as far as the customer base as well. Paying consumers need good paying jobs, housing, healthcare, an education, good public transit, government infrastructure and services. etc. If you right-wing Republicans can't get that through your thick skulls, too bad. In the end, socialists will win, regardless of how you feel about it. The US economy will become more mixed in the not-too-distant future (a bit of capitalism with some socialism), as it is in Western Europe and eventually, it will become fully socialist.

Technology is going to eventually force American society by necessity to adopt socialism. It's only a matter of time. Cry all you want.

We live in a quasi-Fascist state. Government and big business are one. The last thing they care about are workers and the people. Few Americans know this.

 

[gipper]

Capitalism is superior to Communism but it still needs Government to oversee it and maintain a fair playing field

Unfortunately government and big business are working together.

 

[rightwinger]

Unfortunately government and big business are working together.

Pretty much so

 

[pknopp]

Seriously, you are making the argument that Communism is better than Capitalism. Facts at every level prove that you are incorrect. The US is the strongest country in the world both economically and militarily. No Communist country is in the same ball park with regards to GDP per capita. What don’t you understand? Yeah, you don’t. That is the problem.

If Capitalism was all that great it would be practiced somewhere.

 

[SweetTea]

You brought up Boeing, not me. They are a huge corporation responsible for supplying our country and the world with a very important and critical component to our economy and yet the subsidies they receive pale in comparison to working class subsidies.

The working class is what allows Boeing to do all of what you're referring to. The workers need affordable housing, transportation, healthcare, and education..etc. They should also be allowed to get SBA loans to open labor cooperatives and other assistance, and if people like you don't like it, so what? If you have the gall to accuse working people of being bums because the government invests in them, you're delusional and hypocritical. You bend over backward to defend the rich and then crap on workers for receiving government services and public goods. Get out of the way capitalist.

In addition, every person receiving subsidies isn’t performing a critical service, if any, to our country and our economy.

The working class are the productive power of Boeing, that's the first thing you should realize. I'm against those who refuse to work and yet receive goverment assistance. Most welfare programs today, require people to get a job. The old days when people refused to work and still got a government check are gone. Most people in the ghetto, if not all of them, who receive public assistance, have jobs. There are very few people today, in the ghetto who don't work and also receive welfare checks.

When I refer to subsidies for the working class, I'm not just referring to people in the ghetto but to tens of millions of Americans like me who work hard for what they have, but need certain protections and services. We get our government resources and so do the wealthy capitalists, and I can live with that. I wouldn't be criticizing Boeing if people like you weren't crapping on people like me for getting assistance from the government for being members of a labor union (legal protection from the government), or living in a building here in Manhattan under rent controls. My rent would be $6000 monthly, if not for the government.

The cost of living is through the roof, and if left to the market, there wouldn't be any working-class people living in Manhattan, we would all be living in Yonkers or some other town in New York State or accriss the river in New Jersey, and we would be commuting to work in traffic for 2, 3 hours. The wealthy cut their noses despite their faces when they vote against rent controls because their workers have to live far away, rather than a couple of miles from their businesses. They have more business opportunities, a more diverse market, and customer base, thanks to living in a community where both the wealthy and people like me live together. This a huge city with all walks of life and incomes. It's what gives this city its unique character and charm.

In fact, in many cases, quite the opposite, which is why there is often a stigma.

This shows your ignorance of economics. The working class isn't just the nation's backbone concerning production, but as far as the customer base as well. Paying consumers need good paying jobs, housing, healthcare, an education, good public transit, government infrastructure and services. etc. If you right-wing Republicans can't get that through your thick skulls, too bad. In the end, socialists will win, regardless of how you feel about it. The US economy will become more mixed in the not-too-distant future (a bit of capitalism with some socialism), as it is in Western Europe and eventually, it will become fully socialist.

Technology is going to eventually force American society by necessity to adopt socialism. It's only a matter of time. Cry all you want.

That fact that you live in Manhattan explains some of your delusions. It is actually a great example of what Democratic politics will get you. Abnormally high rents and costs of living with economic extremes from the very wealthy to the very poor. Frankly, it is not at all representative of middle America. You no doubt live in what I would consider relative poverty in Manhattan, which is why I choose to never live there. Your stated household income is decent, if you weren't living in Manhattan or anywhere in the vicinity.

Like I previously mentioned, my in-laws came to NYC from their former country and were horrified that they had a better standard of living in the country they chose to escape. They thought how crazy it was that NYC was the America that everyone raves about. They quickly realized that the US is a big country and they could move out of that area and enjoy a great standard of living, far better than Manhatan or their home country. Maybe your wife hasn’t been exposed to life in other areas of the country, which would explain why she thinks USSR was better. That is the only reasonable explanation for the delusion that Communism is better than Capitalism.

 

[TruthNotBS]

If Capitalism was all that great it would be practiced somewhere.

Capitalism as they describe it where the "invisible hand" of the "free-market" determines everything is a unicorn, that has never existed at a national scale. It would be a non-regulated nightmare monopoly economy, ruled by a bunch of little capitalist tyrants.

 

[SweetTea]

If Capitalism was all that great it would be practiced somewhere.

Communism is practiced in other countries and we all know the results, except for ChristianMan.

 

[pknopp]

Communism is practiced in other countries and we all know the results, except for ChristianMan.

Which is why most operate somewhere in the middle.

 

[gipper]

Capitalism as they describe it where the "invisible hand" of the "free-market" determines everything is a unicorn, that has never existed at a national scale. It would be a non-regulated nightmare monopoly economy, ruled by a bunch of little capitalist tyrants.

Pretty much what we have now.

 

[TruthNotBS]

That fact that you live in Manhattan explains some of your delusions. It is actually a great example of what Democratic politics will get you. Abnormally high rents and costs of living with economic extremes from the very wealthy to the very poor. Frankly, it is not at all representative of middle America. You no doubt live in what I would consider relative poverty in Manhattan, which is why I choose to never live there. Your stated household income is decent, if you weren't living in Manhattan or anywhere in the vicinity.

Like I previously mentioned, my in-laws came to NYC from their former country and were horrified that they had a better standard of living in the country they chose to escape. They thought how crazy it was that NYC was the America that everyone raves about. They quickly realized that the US is a big country and they could move out of that area and enjoy a great standard of living, far better than Manhatan or their home country. Maybe your wife hasn’t been exposed to life in other areas of the country, which would explain why she thinks USSR was better. That is the only reasonable explanation for the delusion that Communism is better than Capitalism.

That fact that you live in Manhattan explains some of your delusions. It is actually a great example of what Democratic politics will get you. Abnormally high rents and costs of living with economic extremes from the very wealthy to the very poor. Frankly, it is not at all representative of middle America. You no doubt live in what I would consider relative poverty in Manhattan, which is why I choose to never live there.

I don't live in poverty, far from it. I have a great view of the city, in a beautiful remodeled building, near some of the most iconic locations in the world, in what is considered by many to be the nerve center of the planet, as far as economics and culture. You're the one suffering from a delusion.

Your stated household income is decent, if you weren't living in Manhattan or anywhere in the vicinity.

My wife and I wouldn't be earning what we do in middle America, nor would we be living in New York City. We love New York.

Like I previously mentioned, my in-laws came to NYC from their former country and were horrified that they had a better standard of living in the country they chose to escape.

Heck if your in-laws feel that way, they must have been living in the worse part of town or the city they came from in the USSR must have offered them a high standard of living. I don't see most of NYC as a dump at all, it's simply a big city. I love city living, so I would feel like an alien living in the Midwest, in a small town or city.

They thought how crazy it was that NYC was the America that everyone raves about. They quickly realized that the US is a big country and they could move out of that area and enjoy a great standard of living, far better than Manhatan or their home country. Maybe your wife hasn’t been exposed to life in other areas of the country, which would explain why she thinks USSR was better. That is the only reasonable explanation for the delusion that Communism is better than Capitalism.

Your statements show how clueless you are about my wife and communism. However, I'm not here arguing that the US has to become communist or adopt 100% full central planning to have a good economy. In the future, let's say in 50 years, I wouldn't be surprised if America does have full central planning and is completely socialist, but now what we need is a mixed economy. A bit of capitalism, with a bit of socialism, similar to what exists now in Western Europe. Otherwise, our country is going to collapse economically and socially. If things don't change in this country, we're going to see a civil war and we're not going to be living in a US with 50 states.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Socialism is working beautifully right now throughout the world. The only reason you're clueless about that is because those countries are identified as social democracies or with having "mixed economies". Here in the US people like you, identify the policies of governments with mixed economies as "commie" or "commie-lite".

hahaha…socialism only seems to ‘work’ in the all white Nordics.

I'd rather have my government be my boss any day of the week, other than the aforementioned capitalists, because at least with the government I have recourse. I can join a labor union, I can file a complaint, I can even sue and of course, elect someone else into office. The government takes the profits and reinvests it back into the workplace, buying new equipment, improving the facilities..etc. Government is a better master than an arrogant, self-serving capitalist any day of the week. I was in the military for several years when I was younger, and I had the experience of having the US government as my boss. Uncle Sam was the best boss I ever had.

hahaha…nobody sane says this crazy shit. Your Father Government *****-up everything they control…
Think about public education, gov funded gov controlled healthcare, social services, public services, law enforcement, military…..etc etc…It’s all a barely functioning total shit-show and yet somehow you think they should control peoples livlihoods? WHAT THE **** IS WRONG WITH YOU?
Whos abused you or dropped you on your head several times?

 

[TruthNotBS]

Seriously, you are making the argument that Communism is better than Capitalism. Facts at every level prove that you are incorrect. The US is the strongest country in the world both economically and militarily. No Communist country is in the same ball park with regards to GDP per capita. What don’t you understand? Yeah, you don’t. That is the problem.

You lack critical thinking skills and knowledge of history. Russia was an under-industrialized, agrarian society comprised mostly of illiterate peasants, and from 1917 to the late 1930s, it became an industrial juggernaut rivaling the United States, with almost a 90% literacy rate. It accomplished with socialist central planning (Stalin's five-year plans), in about two decades, what took the US over a century of capitalist industrialization. The USSR despite everything it suffered at the hands of its very powerful enemies, became the second economy in the world, and a nuclear superpower, so to poopoo that is quite silly, if not insane.

Did the mercantile class of Europe, replace the royal aristocracy overnight, or did it take centuries? The European merchants didn't become the powerful pro-Republican industrialists of the 19th century until material conditions permitted them to rise to that position. The same applies for socialism. Technology will eventually propel socialists to the front, out of necessity. Material conditions determine what mode of production and political system society adopts, not wishful thinking.

 

[gipper]

Seriously, you are making the argument that Communism is better than Capitalism. Facts at every level prove that you are incorrect. The US is the strongest country in the world both economically and militarily. No Communist country is in the same ball park with regards to GDP per capita. What don’t you understand? Yeah, you don’t. That is the problem.

That’s no longer accurate. China exceeds the US economically and guess what? They’re a communist nation.

And, US military supremacy is questionable.

 

[TruthNotBS]

hahaha…socialism only seems to ‘work’ in the all white Nordics.


hahaha…nobody sane says this crazy shit. Your Father Government *****-up everything they control…
Think about public education, gov funded gov controlled healthcare, social services, public services, law enforcement, military…..etc etc…It’s all a barely functioning total shit-show and yet somehow you think they should control peoples livlihoods? WHAT THE **** IS WRONG WITH YOU?
Whos abused you or dropped you on your head several times?

If I have to choose between having a bunch of self-serving, arrogant, rich capitalists as my bosses, who only care about themselves and are essentially unaccountable to me and my co-workers, or a government that is created specifically to serve the public good and is accountable to me and my co-workers through an electoral process, I prefer government as a boss, any day of the week.

I now have private health insurance, but I can go to the VA. I have in the past, and it's a great system, It could be improved, but your opinion that government-run healthcare is crap isn't true. Our public school system is quite good, not to speak of the other government institutions, so you're the one who's been dropped on the head a few too many times.

 

[SweetTea]

Which is why most operate somewhere in the middle.

The middle is not Socialism. The truth is the middle is Capitalism where a completely free market is the extreme.

 

[gipper]

Seriously, you are making the argument that Communism is better than Capitalism. Facts at every level prove that you are incorrect. The US is the strongest country in the world both economically and militarily. No Communist country is in the same ball park with regards to GDP per capita. What don’t you understand? Yeah, you don’t. That is the problem.

Here is some good info for you.

The 20th Century began with Butler doing the bidding of the monied classes in South America, Mexico, and Europe, disguised as keeping America safe for democracy – the usual propaganda fed to the masses when they are running their racket. Just as Edward Bernays clearly laid out in his 1928 book – Propaganda – that the world is run by an invisible government who manipulate the minds of the masses to do as they are told, Butler unequivocally described why we are perpetually at war and who benefits from perpetual warfare. The invisible government/insiders run this world and have always run this world. Once you reconcile yourself to this fact, you will be well on your way to understanding all of the major events happening in the world today.

“A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small “inside” group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes. In the World War a mere handful garnered the profits of the conflict. At least 21,000 new millionaires and billionaires were made in the United States during the World War.” – General Smedley Butler

It seems many more millionaires and billionaires have been created since World War I, the war Wilson promised not to enter. What a coincidence the Federal Reserve was created in shadowy back rooms on a secretive island in 1913 by men constituting the invisible government (bankers, corporate executives, corrupt politicians), just before the outbreak of the Great War. Of course, it was only great for the bankers, arms dealers, and corporations getting rich off the blood of the 20 million innocent soldiers and civilians who died to fill up their war chests with gold. Once the politicians, bankers, and connected corporations had the ability to use a central bank to print fiat and fund their wars for eternity, we’ve had over a century of total war.

“It is no coincidence that the century of total war coincided with the century of central banking.” – Ron Paul

“War against a foreign country only happens when the moneyed classes think they are going to profit from it.” – George Orwell

The moneyed classes profit from warfare no matter who wins. But even better, they profit the most when no one wins and the war is perpetual. Perpetual war equals perpetual profits. The United States has not been invaded by a foreign enemy since the War of 1812. The $1.8 trillion allocated to the Department of Defense in 2023 exceeds the GDP of most countries in the world and is a self sustaining mechanism where politicians: approve the trillions in blood money while promoting chaos and war around the globe; become multi-millionaires from bribes accepted from the corporations enriched by the military industrial complex; accelerate the downfall of America by enslaving future generations in chains of unpayable debt; and then convince the poor to become cannon fodder in their bloody game of thrones.

“Every war, when it comes, or before it comes, is represented not as a war but as an act of self-defense against a homicidal maniac.” – George Orwell
Rich Man’s War, Poor Man’s Blood - LewRockwell

 

[SweetTea]

That’s no longer accurate. China exceeds the US economically and guess what? They’re a communist nation.

And, US military supremacy is questionable.

By what metric does China exceed the US?

We can thank Democrats for the military.

 

[Lisa558]

This article isn't about taxing private property, we already do that here.

This is about taxing wealth. The USSR did in fact, they taxed all of an individuals wealth

Sounds good to me! Let’s follow the Soviet Union’s way of doing things. Turned out so well for them.

 

[pknopp]

The middle is not Socialism. The truth is the middle is Capitalism where a completely free market is the extreme.

No it is not Capitalism. You'll make every excuse in the book to defend something that does not exist anywhere.

I ask this over and over but it's never addressed. Where in Capitalism do we find the idea of taxpayers bailing out a failed business?