This Is Why The United States Cannot Simply Return Those In The Country Illegally to Their Country of Origin

[sealybobo]

ABSOLUTELY NOT. American citizenship is a privilege, and not one that criminals should be rewarded with.

But the president's a criminal. What crime did the commit? Oh they all do it. Hell, even Trump resorts hires illegals. Give them a break. And as you can see, once legal, Hispanics are very conservative. They love Trump.

 

[daveman]

I'll donate a $1.25 store gallon of water to one.

They can drink it walking back home.

 

[sealybobo]

I'm not disagreeing, I'm asking about the logistics particularly for those whose country doesn't want them back.

Does that country have a choice? And we don't? That's weird.

 

[daveman]

I'm not disagreeing, I'm asking about the logistics particularly for those whose country doesn't want them back.

Not our problem. They sent them here, they can take them back.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

It is clear that you've never lived anywhere near the US southern border. People are returned to Mexico on a daily basis, many immediately after illegally entering the country and many more from border checkpoints located within 100 miles of the US border. Mexico doesn't have any say. They came from there and they are returned there. This has been happening daily for at least sixty years that I am personally aware of. I have witnessed the returns of many.

San Diego is the city that's close to the border. I grew up in the suburbs of Los Angeles.

 

[daveman]

But the president's a criminal. What crime did the commit? Oh they all do it. Hell, even Trump resorts hires illegals. Give them a break. And as you can see, once legal, Hispanics are very conservative. They love Trump.

Did you think this argument would change my mind? Hint: It doesn't.

Punish companies that knowingly hire illegals. Deport the illegals when and where found.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Trump seems to imply they'll pay a steep economic cost no matter what they do. So why should they take people back?

/—-/ Seems to imply???? Can you be even more vague?

 

[frigidweirdo]

However, there are some exceptions, including:

• Emergency Medicaid: Unauthorized immigrants may be eligible for emergency Medicaid services.
  
  
  
• Federally Qualified Health Centers (FQHCs): Unauthorized immigrants may be eligible for primary and preventive health care at FQHCs.
  
  
  
• Free or reduced school lunch: Unauthorized immigrants may be eligible for free or reduced school lunch.
  
  
  
• Shelters and soup kitchens: Unauthorized immigrants may have short-term access to shelters and soup kitchens in emergency situations.
  
  
  
• Disability Insurance (DI) and Paid Family Leave (PFL): Undocumented workers in California may be eligible for DI and PFL benefits, even if they do not have a Social Security number (SSN).

Undocumented immigrants may also receive state benefits because county social services employees are not able to determine immigration status.

And they undermine American workers. Like I said before, illegal workers can't organize into unions. Perhaps Americans wouldn't put up with those working conditions that these people endure.

"may be"

Do you think they go there for the health benefits etc?

No, they go there for a better a life. They go there to make money and send it home. They already only get a "may be".

Yes, they "undermine" US workers. They lower wage costs.

But Trump said he wants to devalue the dollar, which will make all people poorer.

Donald Trump’s dollar devaluation plan unlikely to prevail, say investors

Analysts warn that devaluing the currency would be shortlived

www.ft.com

So, these workers are undermining the US workers, therefore Trump is too.

 

[Seymour Flops]

You're overthinking this. If they are in the U.S., send them out via the closest border, which is normally the southern border. The overwhelming majority of non-port of entry illegal assylum seekers crossed that border to get here, so they can cross right back.

Build a wall, or guarded fence, with a gate, just a foot inside of U.S. soil. Any criminal who resists going south, push them through the gate, close it, and lock them up if they somehow cross back in.

Not in some detention center, but simply a row of one-person cells about the size of porta-potties. Lock them in for a day, and send them back. If they return, lock them in for two days. Repeat as necessary.

If Mexico wants to start now with enforcing their own southern border and ridding their northern border of the cartels, then we can consider taxing Remittances in order to give them help with the ones being sent back.

 

[sealybobo]

"may be"

Do you think they go there for the health benefits etc?

No, they go there for a better a life. They go there to make money and send it home. They already only get a "may be".

Yes, they "undermine" US workers. They lower wage costs.

But Trump said he wants to devalue the dollar, which will make all people poorer.

Donald Trump’s dollar devaluation plan unlikely to prevail, say investors

Analysts warn that devaluing the currency would be shortlived

www.ft.com

So, these workers are undermining the US workers, therefore Trump is too.

Oh no doubt Trump is going to make Elon richer and hurt us with all the social programs and services that are going to get cut by Elon, Vivek, Linda, Dr. Oz.

Uneducated blue collar aren't going to do good enough until they unionize. Till then, they'll be underpaid.

Wages were already going too high and the Feds had to cool down the inflation so they raised interest rates. So corporations pay as much as they want right now. If you were poor under Biden, you'll be poorer under Trump, if you are blue collar.

Unless you already belong to a union. Those workers won big under Biden and those wins will out live Trump.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Oh no doubt Trump is going to make Elon richer and hurt us with all the social programs and services that are going to get cut by Elon, Vivek, Linda, Dr. Oz.

Uneducated blue collar aren't going to do good enough until they unionize. Till then, they'll be underpaid.

Wages were already going too high and the Feds had to cool down the inflation so they raised interest rates. So corporations pay as much as they want right now. If you were poor under Biden, you'll be poorer under Trump, if you are blue collar.

Unless you already belong to a union. Those workers won big under Biden and those wins will out live Trump.

Yeah, well that's how it goes. The problem in the US is everything is out of whack. So, inflation rises and all sorts of things happen that lead to more and more problems.

 

[1srelluc]

Meh, just dump them into Mexico to find their way home...or not.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

This mass deportation effort involves multiple steps and I haven't heard yet how they plan to accomplish anything other than terrorizing folks with the roundup:

1. Identifying those in the country unlawfully
   a. Identifying those whose locations are known
2. Identifying destinations for deportees
3. Identifying means of transport

Since this is not my job the above is all I could come up with off the top of my head but the following is an explanation as to why this process is not as straight forward as we have been led to believe:

The United States can request that other nations accept their citizens who are subject to deportation, but it cannot unilaterally compel compliance. The success of such efforts depends on international law, diplomatic relations, and the cooperation of the receiving country. Here's an overview:​

​

---

1. International Obligations​

• Vienna Convention on Consular Relations (1963):
  
  • This treaty outlines the framework for consular relations between independent countries, including the obligation to accept the return of their nationals.
  • The U.S. can notify the consulate of the individual's home country and request travel documents to facilitate deportation.
• Domestic Immigration Law:
  
  • U.S. immigration laws authorize the deportation of individuals unlawfully present or otherwise removable.
  • Deportation requires the receiving country's cooperation to issue necessary travel documents, such as passports or emergency travel certificates.

---

2. Challenges in Enforcing Returns​

• Non-Cooperation by Receiving Countries:
  
  • Some nations delay or refuse to accept deportees, citing issues like lack of proper identification, disputed citizenship, or political reasons.
  • For example, countries like China have historically been less cooperative in accepting deportees.
    
    AP News​
• Stateless Individuals:
  
  • Deportation becomes more complicated if the individual cannot be definitively linked to a country of citizenship.

---

3. U.S. Actions to Encourage Compliance​

The U.S. employs several strategies to encourage other nations to cooperate with deportations:​

​

• Visa Sanctions:
  
  • Under Section 243(d) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), the U.S. can suspend the issuance of visas to citizens of countries that refuse or unreasonably delay accepting deportees.
  • In 2017, the U.S. imposed visa sanctions on countries like Eritrea, Guinea, Sierra Leone, and Cambodia for non-cooperation.
    
    AP News​
• Diplomatic Pressure:
  
  • The U.S. engages in bilateral negotiations to encourage compliance, sometimes offering foreign aid or other concessions in exchange for cooperation.
• Repatriation Agreements:
  
  • The U.S. enters into formal agreements with some countries to streamline the deportation process, including timelines and procedures for issuing travel documents.

---

4. Human Rights Considerations​

• Non-Refoulement Principle:
  
  • International law prohibits deporting individuals to countries where they would face persecution, torture, or other inhumane treatment.
  • This principle is codified in U.S. law under the Refugee Act of 1980.
• Asylum and Due Process:
  
  • Individuals have the right to apply for asylum or other relief from deportation, which can delay or prevent removal.

---

5. Enforcement Challenges​

• Immigration Detention Limits:
  
  • If a country refuses to accept its citizen, the U.S. may not be able to detain the individual indefinitely.
  • The U.S. Supreme Court decision in Zadvydas v. Davis (2001) established that immigrants cannot be detained beyond a presumptively reasonable period (six months) if deportation is not reasonably foreseeable.

---

Conclusion​

While the United States has legal and diplomatic tools to encourage countries to accept their citizens, it cannot compel compliance. Success often depends on the willingness of the receiving nation, international agreements, and geopolitical factors. When countries refuse to cooperate, deportation efforts can be delayed or halted, highlighting the complex interplay of law, diplomacy, and international relations in immigration enforcement.​

​

Sources​

​

The United States can request that other nations accept their citizens who are subject to deportation, but it cannot unilaterally compel compliance.

I'm sure we can think of something that will encourage their compliance.

 

[Concerned American]

Do you think the people who are going to the US illegally are getting social services?

What do you call all of those taxpayer funded hotel rooms in NYC? Do you think they reached into their fat wallets and paid for those?

 

[Concerned American]

I'm not disagreeing, I'm asking about the logistics particularly for those whose country doesn't want them back.

Biden flew them in and the SCOTUS just ruled that Trump can fly them out. IDC where the fly them to---can be an uninhabited island in the middle of the ocean for all I care. The US isn't the welfare agency for the world.

 

[Concerned American]

Okay, that takes care of the Mexicans, what about the rest?

Anyone that entered through our southern border came from Mexico. That included people from many other countries. Mexico allowed them in and they entered from Mexico. They are Mexico's problem.

 

[Concerned American]

San Diego is the city that's close to the border. I grew up in the suburbs of Los Angeles.

Then you should be aware that you passed through an inland border checkpoint on I-5 between Oceanside and San Onofre. The illegals captured there are immediately returned to Tijuana.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

This mass deportation effort involves multiple steps and I haven't heard yet how they plan to accomplish anything other than terrorizing folks with the roundup:

1. Identifying those in the country unlawfully
   a. Identifying those whose locations are known
2. Identifying destinations for deportees
3. Identifying means of transport

Since this is not my job the above is all I could come up with off the top of my head but the following is an explanation as to why this process is not as straight forward as we have been led to believe:

The United States can request that other nations accept their citizens who are subject to deportation, but it cannot unilaterally compel compliance. The success of such efforts depends on international law, diplomatic relations, and the cooperation of the receiving country. Here's an overview:​

​

---

1. International Obligations​

• Vienna Convention on Consular Relations (1963):
  
  • This treaty outlines the framework for consular relations between independent countries, including the obligation to accept the return of their nationals.
  • The U.S. can notify the consulate of the individual's home country and request travel documents to facilitate deportation.
• Domestic Immigration Law:
  
  • U.S. immigration laws authorize the deportation of individuals unlawfully present or otherwise removable.
  • Deportation requires the receiving country's cooperation to issue necessary travel documents, such as passports or emergency travel certificates.

---

2. Challenges in Enforcing Returns​

• Non-Cooperation by Receiving Countries:
  
  • Some nations delay or refuse to accept deportees, citing issues like lack of proper identification, disputed citizenship, or political reasons.
  • For example, countries like China have historically been less cooperative in accepting deportees.
    
    AP News​
• Stateless Individuals:
  
  • Deportation becomes more complicated if the individual cannot be definitively linked to a country of citizenship.

---

3. U.S. Actions to Encourage Compliance​

The U.S. employs several strategies to encourage other nations to cooperate with deportations:​

​

• Visa Sanctions:
  
  • Under Section 243(d) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), the U.S. can suspend the issuance of visas to citizens of countries that refuse or unreasonably delay accepting deportees.
  • In 2017, the U.S. imposed visa sanctions on countries like Eritrea, Guinea, Sierra Leone, and Cambodia for non-cooperation.
    
    AP News​
• Diplomatic Pressure:
  
  • The U.S. engages in bilateral negotiations to encourage compliance, sometimes offering foreign aid or other concessions in exchange for cooperation.
• Repatriation Agreements:
  
  • The U.S. enters into formal agreements with some countries to streamline the deportation process, including timelines and procedures for issuing travel documents.

---

4. Human Rights Considerations​

• Non-Refoulement Principle:
  
  • International law prohibits deporting individuals to countries where they would face persecution, torture, or other inhumane treatment.
  • This principle is codified in U.S. law under the Refugee Act of 1980.
• Asylum and Due Process:
  
  • Individuals have the right to apply for asylum or other relief from deportation, which can delay or prevent removal.

---

5. Enforcement Challenges​

• Immigration Detention Limits:
  
  • If a country refuses to accept its citizen, the U.S. may not be able to detain the individual indefinitely.
  • The U.S. Supreme Court decision in Zadvydas v. Davis (2001) established that immigrants cannot be detained beyond a presumptively reasonable period (six months) if deportation is not reasonably foreseeable.

---

Conclusion​

While the United States has legal and diplomatic tools to encourage countries to accept their citizens, it cannot compel compliance. Success often depends on the willingness of the receiving nation, international agreements, and geopolitical factors. When countries refuse to cooperate, deportation efforts can be delayed or halted, highlighting the complex interplay of law, diplomacy, and international relations in immigration enforcement.​

​

Sources​

​

The world is a bit more complicated than maga can cope with, This thread illustrates that.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

/—-/ A 50% tariff will make that all go away.
Batter up— next.

You havent really given this much thought have you ?

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

We simply can, actually. With the exception of the countries not taking them back, which presents an obstacle, we are not obligated to abide by any of this other BS.

From what I read, the U.S. first has to get permission from the country they want to send the deportee to, then get documents granting said permissions. All that is going to take time.

If the government rounds up a bunch of people but can't send them anywhere then what? Especially if they can only hold them six months while waiting to sort everything out?