JGalt
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And Sheriff Joe Arapio appointed as the camp superintendent: Pink jump suits and green bologna sammiches.
This Is Why The United States Cannot Simply Return Those In The Country Illegally to Their Country of Origin
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And Sheriff Joe Arapio appointed as the camp superintendent: Pink jump suits and green bologna sammiches.
I do not want it in a box
I do not want it with a fox
I do not like green bologna
I do not like any food that's phoney!
Concerned American
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In tent cities. Yay, Sheriff Joe!
shockedcanadian
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You can and you will. They are in your country illegally. If those countries who watched happily as their worst left for America don't accept repatriation, the will pay a steep economic cost, this is Trumps public assertion so no nation would be surprised.This mass deportation effort involves multiple steps and I haven't heard yet how they plan to accomplish anything other than terrorizing folks with the roundup:
Since this is not my job the above is all I could come up with off the top of my head but the following is an explanation as to why this process is not as straight forward as we have been led to believe:
- Identifying those in the country unlawfully
a. Identifying those whose locations are known- Identifying destinations for deportees
- Identifying means of transport
The United States can request that other nations accept their citizens who are subject to deportation, but it cannot unilaterally compel compliance. The success of such efforts depends on international law, diplomatic relations, and the cooperation of the receiving country. Here's an overview:
1. International Obligations
- Vienna Convention on Consular Relations (1963):
- This treaty outlines the framework for consular relations between independent countries, including the obligation to accept the return of their nationals.
- The U.S. can notify the consulate of the individual's home country and request travel documents to facilitate deportation.
- Domestic Immigration Law:
- U.S. immigration laws authorize the deportation of individuals unlawfully present or otherwise removable.
- Deportation requires the receiving country's cooperation to issue necessary travel documents, such as passports or emergency travel certificates.
2. Challenges in Enforcing Returns
- Non-Cooperation by Receiving Countries:
- Some nations delay or refuse to accept deportees, citing issues like lack of proper identification, disputed citizenship, or political reasons.
- For example, countries like China have historically been less cooperative in accepting deportees.
- Stateless Individuals:
- Deportation becomes more complicated if the individual cannot be definitively linked to a country of citizenship.
3. U.S. Actions to Encourage ComplianceThe U.S. employs several strategies to encourage other nations to cooperate with deportations:
- Visa Sanctions:
- Under Section 243(d) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), the U.S. can suspend the issuance of visas to citizens of countries that refuse or unreasonably delay accepting deportees.
- In 2017, the U.S. imposed visa sanctions on countries like Eritrea, Guinea, Sierra Leone, and Cambodia for non-cooperation.
- Diplomatic Pressure:
- The U.S. engages in bilateral negotiations to encourage compliance, sometimes offering foreign aid or other concessions in exchange for cooperation.
- Repatriation Agreements:
- The U.S. enters into formal agreements with some countries to streamline the deportation process, including timelines and procedures for issuing travel documents.
4. Human Rights Considerations
- Non-Refoulement Principle:
- International law prohibits deporting individuals to countries where they would face persecution, torture, or other inhumane treatment.
- This principle is codified in U.S. law under the Refugee Act of 1980.
- Asylum and Due Process:
- Individuals have the right to apply for asylum or other relief from deportation, which can delay or prevent removal.
5. Enforcement Challenges
- Immigration Detention Limits:
- If a country refuses to accept its citizen, the U.S. may not be able to detain the individual indefinitely.
- The U.S. Supreme Court decision in Zadvydas v. Davis (2001) established that immigrants cannot be detained beyond a presumptively reasonable period (six months) if deportation is not reasonably foreseeable.
ConclusionWhile the United States has legal and diplomatic tools to encourage countries to accept their citizens, it cannot compel compliance. Success often depends on the willingness of the receiving nation, international agreements, and geopolitical factors. When countries refuse to cooperate, deportation efforts can be delayed or halted, highlighting the complex interplay of law, diplomacy, and international relations in immigration enforcement.Sources
You think they'll turn themselves over to the Trump administration? HA! No chance. Maybe he should give them a way to citizenship?
frigidweirdo
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Which source do you trust in US news then?
/—-/ A 50% tariff will make that all go away.This mass deportation effort involves multiple steps and I haven't heard yet how they plan to accomplish anything other than terrorizing folks with the roundup:
Since this is not my job the above is all I could come up with off the top of my head but the following is an explanation as to why this process is not as straight forward as we have been led to believe:
- Identifying those in the country unlawfully
a. Identifying those whose locations are known- Identifying destinations for deportees
- Identifying means of transport
The United States can request that other nations accept their citizens who are subject to deportation, but it cannot unilaterally compel compliance. The success of such efforts depends on international law, diplomatic relations, and the cooperation of the receiving country. Here's an overview:
1. International Obligations
- Vienna Convention on Consular Relations (1963):
- This treaty outlines the framework for consular relations between independent countries, including the obligation to accept the return of their nationals.
- The U.S. can notify the consulate of the individual's home country and request travel documents to facilitate deportation.
- Domestic Immigration Law:
- U.S. immigration laws authorize the deportation of individuals unlawfully present or otherwise removable.
- Deportation requires the receiving country's cooperation to issue necessary travel documents, such as passports or emergency travel certificates.
2. Challenges in Enforcing Returns
- Non-Cooperation by Receiving Countries:
- Some nations delay or refuse to accept deportees, citing issues like lack of proper identification, disputed citizenship, or political reasons.
- For example, countries like China have historically been less cooperative in accepting deportees.
- Stateless Individuals:
- Deportation becomes more complicated if the individual cannot be definitively linked to a country of citizenship.
3. U.S. Actions to Encourage ComplianceThe U.S. employs several strategies to encourage other nations to cooperate with deportations:
- Visa Sanctions:
- Under Section 243(d) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), the U.S. can suspend the issuance of visas to citizens of countries that refuse or unreasonably delay accepting deportees.
- In 2017, the U.S. imposed visa sanctions on countries like Eritrea, Guinea, Sierra Leone, and Cambodia for non-cooperation.
- Diplomatic Pressure:
- The U.S. engages in bilateral negotiations to encourage compliance, sometimes offering foreign aid or other concessions in exchange for cooperation.
- Repatriation Agreements:
- The U.S. enters into formal agreements with some countries to streamline the deportation process, including timelines and procedures for issuing travel documents.
4. Human Rights Considerations
- Non-Refoulement Principle:
- International law prohibits deporting individuals to countries where they would face persecution, torture, or other inhumane treatment.
- This principle is codified in U.S. law under the Refugee Act of 1980.
- Asylum and Due Process:
- Individuals have the right to apply for asylum or other relief from deportation, which can delay or prevent removal.
5. Enforcement Challenges
- Immigration Detention Limits:
- If a country refuses to accept its citizen, the U.S. may not be able to detain the individual indefinitely.
- The U.S. Supreme Court decision in Zadvydas v. Davis (2001) established that immigrants cannot be detained beyond a presumptively reasonable period (six months) if deportation is not reasonably foreseeable.
ConclusionWhile the United States has legal and diplomatic tools to encourage countries to accept their citizens, it cannot compel compliance. Success often depends on the willingness of the receiving nation, international agreements, and geopolitical factors. When countries refuse to cooperate, deportation efforts can be delayed or halted, highlighting the complex interplay of law, diplomacy, and international relations in immigration enforcement.Sources
Batter up— next.
/—-/ Pathway: Go back to Mexico, and wait their turn.
shockedcanadian
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Why dont you do your nation a solid and apply to help the border find those who shouldn't be in your country?
I've always said, go after our illegal employers. You don't have them in Canada. Since Reagan, our economic system has encouraged or turned a blind eye to companies hiring illegals. When there are little to no penalties and you'll never get caught, why not? Save a buck. But it kills the American middle class. It KILLS unions. Which is these companies goals. Illegals don't organize into unions.
Reclaiming the Issues: "It's an Illegal Employer Problem"
Every time the media - or a Democrat - uses the phrase "Illegal Immigration" they are promoting one of Karl Rove's most potent Republican Party frames.
frigidweirdo
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Trump seems to imply they'll pay a steep economic cost no matter what they do. So why should they take people back?
First thing, no social services until you've worked here for at least 15 years. Same number of years you have to work to qualify for minimum social security and medicare. Collect social security and medicare at 70. Most will go back to Mexico long before that with the riches they save up here. Money they can't make in Mexico. We need ditch diggers. They need jobs.
There is a though. The countries south of us don't have to get their shit together. Workers who aren't happy can leave. Go to America for a better life. And they go. If they couldn't go the countries would be forced to change. Revolutions would happen. Workers would definitely organize.
frigidweirdo
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Do you think the people who are going to the US illegally are getting social services? Health care? No, they're not. So.... what does that change the system?
daveman
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They came here without United States' cooperation. They can go back home. We have no obligation to keep them.This mass deportation effort involves multiple steps and I haven't heard yet how they plan to accomplish anything other than terrorizing folks with the roundup:
Since this is not my job the above is all I could come up with off the top of my head but the following is an explanation as to why this process is not as straight forward as we have been led to believe:
- Identifying those in the country unlawfully
a. Identifying those whose locations are known- Identifying destinations for deportees
- Identifying means of transport
The United States can request that other nations accept their citizens who are subject to deportation, but it cannot unilaterally compel compliance. The success of such efforts depends on international law, diplomatic relations, and the cooperation of the receiving country. Here's an overview:
1. International Obligations
- Vienna Convention on Consular Relations (1963):
- This treaty outlines the framework for consular relations between independent countries, including the obligation to accept the return of their nationals.
- The U.S. can notify the consulate of the individual's home country and request travel documents to facilitate deportation.
- Domestic Immigration Law:
- U.S. immigration laws authorize the deportation of individuals unlawfully present or otherwise removable.
- Deportation requires the receiving country's cooperation to issue necessary travel documents, such as passports or emergency travel certificates.
2. Challenges in Enforcing Returns
- Non-Cooperation by Receiving Countries:
- Some nations delay or refuse to accept deportees, citing issues like lack of proper identification, disputed citizenship, or political reasons.
- For example, countries like China have historically been less cooperative in accepting deportees.
- Stateless Individuals:
- Deportation becomes more complicated if the individual cannot be definitively linked to a country of citizenship.
3. U.S. Actions to Encourage ComplianceThe U.S. employs several strategies to encourage other nations to cooperate with deportations:
- Visa Sanctions:
- Under Section 243(d) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), the U.S. can suspend the issuance of visas to citizens of countries that refuse or unreasonably delay accepting deportees.
- In 2017, the U.S. imposed visa sanctions on countries like Eritrea, Guinea, Sierra Leone, and Cambodia for non-cooperation.
- Diplomatic Pressure:
- The U.S. engages in bilateral negotiations to encourage compliance, sometimes offering foreign aid or other concessions in exchange for cooperation.
- Repatriation Agreements:
- The U.S. enters into formal agreements with some countries to streamline the deportation process, including timelines and procedures for issuing travel documents.
4. Human Rights Considerations
- Non-Refoulement Principle:
- International law prohibits deporting individuals to countries where they would face persecution, torture, or other inhumane treatment.
- This principle is codified in U.S. law under the Refugee Act of 1980.
- Asylum and Due Process:
- Individuals have the right to apply for asylum or other relief from deportation, which can delay or prevent removal.
5. Enforcement Challenges
- Immigration Detention Limits:
- If a country refuses to accept its citizen, the U.S. may not be able to detain the individual indefinitely.
- The U.S. Supreme Court decision in Zadvydas v. Davis (2001) established that immigrants cannot be detained beyond a presumptively reasonable period (six months) if deportation is not reasonably foreseeable.
ConclusionWhile the United States has legal and diplomatic tools to encourage countries to accept their citizens, it cannot compel compliance. Success often depends on the willingness of the receiving nation, international agreements, and geopolitical factors. When countries refuse to cooperate, deportation efforts can be delayed or halted, highlighting the complex interplay of law, diplomacy, and international relations in immigration enforcement.Sources
However, there are some exceptions, including:
- Emergency Medicaid: Unauthorized immigrants may be eligible for emergency Medicaid services.
- Federally Qualified Health Centers (FQHCs): Unauthorized immigrants may be eligible for primary and preventive health care at FQHCs.
- Free or reduced school lunch: Unauthorized immigrants may be eligible for free or reduced school lunch.
- Shelters and soup kitchens: Unauthorized immigrants may have short-term access to shelters and soup kitchens in emergency situations.
- Disability Insurance (DI) and Paid Family Leave (PFL): Undocumented workers in California may be eligible for DI and PFL benefits, even if they do not have a Social Security number (SSN).
And they undermine American workers. Like I said before, illegal workers can't organize into unions. Perhaps Americans wouldn't put up with those working conditions that these people endure.
NewsVine_Mariyam
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Okay, that takes care of the Mexicans, what about the rest?
daveman
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ABSOLUTELY NOT. American citizenship is a privilege, and not one that criminals should be rewarded with.
I'll donate a $1.25 store gallon of water to one.
NewsVine_Mariyam
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I'm not disagreeing, I'm asking about the logistics particularly for those whose country doesn't want them back.
daveman
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Nope. Blacklist them. No legal entry for any illegal forever.
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