This is why the Department of Education needs to go.

[iamwhatiseem]

Chump change, California is over $300 billion. Did you know that California has repeatedly tried to get Dem presidents to bail out their pension fund? Thereby sticking the other 49 states with the bill for their corruption.

The problem with teacher's pensions is not necessarily the pensions themselves... but because state pension funds took a bet that the D.O.E. would bail them out - so they consistently underfunded them. That is called corruption. The unions pushed and pushed for better and better pensions, the states said no problem without anyway of funding it.

 

[eagle1462010]

Jeebus.

Fiscal Data Explores Interest Expense on National Debt

1.13 Trillion 2024.

We are FUCKED

 

[rightwinger]

All of that is going to continue.
They are not ending the critical needs the DOE did - they are moving that to other departments.

So they are just shuffling things around and claiming it is better

Normally, when you shift a function to a new agency, you move the experienced employees.
Trump is firing them and forcing new agencies to assume the role with no additional employees

How is that more efficient?

 

[iamwhatiseem]

So they are just shuffling things around and claiming it is better

Normally, when you shift a function to a new agency, you move the experienced employees.
Trump is firing them and forcing new agencies to assume the role with no additional employees

How is that more efficient?

Because it won't take 4,209 people and 17 buildings to do it.
Again, I seem to remember you retired from government... so you know exactly the kind of waste and inefficiencies exist in the federal government.
Based on my own experience, I would say about 30% of their work hours most federal employees do - are tasks developed just to justify their existence. The sheer amount of redundant tasks and procedures are what is costing so much.

 

[rightwinger]

So what do we get for our $280 Billion a year?

College Loans
Pell Grants
Aid to schools in low income communities
Assistance to schools with special needs student

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The problem with teacher's pensions is not necessarily the pensions themselves... but because state pension funds took a bet that the D.O.E. would bail them out - so they consistently underfunded them. That is called corruption. The unions pushed and pushed for better and better pensions, the states said no problem without anyway of funding it.

The Education Department (not called D.O.E., BTW) has nothing to do with pensions funds. Try your disinformation campaign elsewhere. We have plenty of reasons for eliminating the Department without lying about it. You are talking out of your posterior orifice.

I quit teaching because our governor tried to rework our already underfunded retirement plan while I was teaching in KY. I retired early so I could save my retirement, even though he ultimately failed.

 

[eagle1462010]

I hadnt looked at the interest in a while. Its depressing.

There is No stopping the RESET The WEF has FUCKED US.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

College Loans
Pell Grants
Aid to schools in low income communities
Assistance to schools with special needs student

That is part of it, of which all are not only going to continue, but likely increase because the money won't be saddled with the behemoth department

 

[eagle1462010]

College Loans
Pell Grants
Aid to schools in low income communities
Assistance to schools with special needs student

DEBT

 

[protectionist]

No, your local hillbilly school sets the curriculum and hires the teachers.
If it is a low income community, Federal funds are available

Federal laws require providing education to students with learning disabilities and prohibit discrimination
Something some local districts don’t want to do

If laws exist fine. But is a DOE needed for those laws to exist ?
And coming from a foreign country, not speaking English, is not a learning disability. It is just another example of immigration flaw.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Also we need to stop all of the pell grants and college loans for students who have zero chance of graduating.
A colossal waste of money. One school in Chicago had almost 80% of the students getting some form of government assistance - with a graduation rate of less than 20%.

 

[protectionist]

Too late, those in power now have the same mentality.

Biden was worse.
Kamala ? Don't even ask.

 

[rightwinger]

Because it won't take 4,209 people and 17 buildings to do it.

What study has been done to show that these functions can be done by other agencies without experienced people, with no concept of the laws and requirements to execute those functions?

You don’t really believe that firing people who know how to do the job and giving the job to someone who knows nothing about it will result in a better product?

 

[rightwinger]

And coming from a foreign country, not speaking English, is not a learning disability. It is just another example of immigration flaw.

Many of those immigrant children become very successful in life because of the education they receive

 

[eagle1462010]

Also we need to stop all of the pell grants and college loans for students who have zero chance of graduating.
A colossal waste of money. One school in Chicago had almost 80% of the students getting some form of government assistance - with a graduation rate of less than 20%.

I see cutting about 200 Billion a year. Most in grants.

States will have to fund themselves no longer black mailed by DOE micromanagement.

I see needing to cut Federal workforce toal by at least 25%. So maybe another $200 billion there.

Stop funding anything but America. Cut the world off another $500 Billion.

About 900 to 1 Trillion in cuts .

Not even enough to pay the interest on the debt.

WE ARE FUCKED

 

[iamwhatiseem]

What study has been done to show that these functions can be done by other agencies without experienced people, with no concept of the laws and requirements to execute those functions?

You don’t really believe that firing people who know how to do the job and giving the job to someone who knows nothing about it will result in a better product?

Meh.
What experience and expertise do you need to move funds from point A to point B??
All that is needed is a few money people to process a schools claim of need, verify what they say - and send the check.
It is not rocket science.
Let me give you an example - in our state system, the school lunch programs were required to provide free/reduced meals to every student whose parents claimed low income. And they don't have to prove it. They are only required to "spot check" as little as a handful of those claims.
Beginning the next school year, they will require -ALL- parents to show proof of low income to qualify.
Why? Because the state fears Trump's DOGE will expose this unbelievable lack of responsibility for federal funds.

 

[protectionist]

Many of those immigrant children become very successful in life because of the education they receive

I have met many immigrants (like my doctors). They all got their educations in their home countries.

 

[rightwinger]

I will come to their defense. My daughter probably could not answer some of those questions like that off the top of her head, but she can manage to get electrolyte components for an EV battery from countries all over the world to her battery plant in TN. Let them use their cell phone and I bet they come up with a correct answer.

Kids today do not need to remember "trivia" like we did. When I was in school, I had to memorize mathematical formulas. That always seemed like a waste of time to me because if I have a problem, I am sure I can recognize the formula to work the problem. When I taught, I provided a formula sheet just like the one provided by the SAT and ACT when they finally outgrew the memorization strategy.

I can't tell you how many times those trigonometric identities came in handy in the Navy. [/sarcasm]

We can mock todays kids lack of knowledge of simple things we learned long ago.
How stupid todays kids are.

But they mock us for our lack of knowledge of smart phones, social media, the internet, using your phone to make payments…..

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I have met many immigrants (like my doctors). They all got their educations in their home countries.

My doctor is the child of immigrants. He was educated here.

 

[eagle1462010]

Lack of knowledge. LOL

States That Spend the Most on Education - Learner

ONLY 11% of Alabamas funding for K12 comes from the Fed.

Or more Correctly from the Fed taxes on Alabama citizens