This is why minimum wage hikes simply don't work

[Moonglow]

No surprise, the reason for automation is the increase of productivity with minimal labor man hours cost.

How does this increase productivity? Think about it; A store has one person that takes the order, takes your money, gives change, and fills you order. How does this automated ordering machine reduce employees?

By letting all the transactions take place at a order fulfillment center and reducing lines by having more than two order taking machines.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

No surprise, the reason for automation is the increase of productivity with minimal labor man hours cost.

How does this increase productivity? Think about it; A store has one person that takes the order, takes your money, gives change, and fills you order. How does this automated ordering machine reduce employees?

The order is taken at a kiosk, you pay with a card, and you pick up your order at the counter.

That's how our local McDonald's works.

 

[Moonglow]

Of course in the 60's and 70's would be a microphone or telephone system to order from your seat and play music from the seat also.

 

[beagle9]

Automation will occur with or without wage rates increasing.

The willingness and speediness of places of business to adopt automation will be determined by the financial benefit of doing so. And if you're demanding they pay some zero-skill worker $15/hour to perform zero-skill labor, that willingness and speediness is going to be greatly increased, and those people are going to be out of a job in a hurry.

That $15/hour pay will be nice . . . for the whole week they get to enjoy it while their robotic replacements are being installed.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

At this fast food drive through, the person taking your order might not be a person at all

Now they have automated fast food drive thru order takers. The classic American job is being taken over by robots. You can't just say "pay these people 15 an hour or else" because the "or else" is "or else a robot can do it for a fraction of the cost and without bathroom breaks or attitude."

So now you go from a minimum wage job to no job at all. Which is better?

This fails as a slippery slope fallacy and a confusion of correlation and causation fallacy.

 

[Chuz Life]

I still ascribe to the original thoughts and reasons for why minimum raise hikes don't work.

It's very simple.

The purpose of a business is to make a profit.

Anything that cuts into a company's profits (including their costs for labor) must be offset with price increases to the consumers of that company's products and services, in order for the company to survive.

Therefore, any hike in wages is an indirect tax on all consumers.

The purpose of a business is to make a profit.

Wrong. The purpose of business is to solve problems.

Baaaaaahahahahahahahaha!

 

[grainbely]

But charging businesses more money for labor with no increase in the value of the labor will speed that process along.

It's called incentive.

So how do you explain the reverse that has happened for decades? People have been delivering the work but getting laid less.

 

[blastoff]

I still ascribe to the original thoughts and reasons for why minimum raise hikes don't work.

It's very simple.

The purpose of a business is to make a profit.

Anything that cuts into a company's profits (including their costs for labor) must be offset with price increases to the consumers of that company's products and services, in order for the company to survive.

Therefore, any hike in wages is an indirect tax on all consumers.

The purpose of a business is to make a profit.

Wrong. The purpose of business is to solve problems.

That’s the funniest dumb thing I’ve read in here in quite a while.

 

[Darkwind]

No surprise, the reason for automation is the increase of productivity with minimal labor man hours cost.

How does this increase productivity? Think about it; A store has one person that takes the order, takes your money, gives change, and fills you order. How does this automated ordering machine reduce employees?

An automated process doesn't stop to check its phone for texts from its friends. It doesn't take a 20-minute bathroom break. It doesn't go home at night.

This means that for the same number of customers, there is no overhead or downtime normally associated with a minimum wage worker.

 

[beagle9]

No surprise, the reason for automation is the increase of productivity with minimal labor man hours cost.

How does this increase productivity? Think about it; A store has one person that takes the order, takes your money, gives change, and fills you order. How does this automated ordering machine reduce employees?

An automated process doesn't stop to check its phone for texts from its friends. It doesn't take a 20-minute bathroom break. It doesn't go home at night.

This means that for the same number of customers, there is no overhead or downtime normally associated with a minimum wage worker.

An automated process is also free from government shoving political correctness down everyone's throat's, and the nation being forced to tolerate bad servers and cooks who would be better at raising the hogs way out on the farms, than cooking and serving American's their BBQ from within the restaurants.

Ohh wait, there is that open borders thing coming, where as I guess the illegals will have all the hog raising jobs, so those being replaced by automation will just be out on their aces eventually. Ohh wait, the Demon-crats are assuming the worst on that, so their super costly entitlement programs will be ramped up to a breaking point, thus bringing about the end of everything good in which this nation had ever been built upon, and thus ushering in a communist style government run by Demon-crat's in order to control it all to their benefits.

 

[Rustic]

At this fast food drive through, the person taking your order might not be a person at all

Now they have automated fast food drive thru order takers. The classic American job is being taken over by robots. You can't just say "pay these people 15 an hour or else" because the "or else" is "or else a robot can do it for a fraction of the cost and without bathroom breaks or attitude."

So now you go from a minimum wage job to no job at all. Which is better?

Things like flipping burgers, stocking shelves, etc. need to be automated because they will never be careers and they should never be paid as careers...
The people that work in those jobs, matter how much they get paid will hate those jobs and they will find reasons to complain about those jobs no matter what

 

[Rustic]

But charging businesses more money for labor with no increase in the value of the labor will speed that process along.

It's called incentive.

Companies in reality don't give a rip about the person, if they can save money, they will. No holidays, no sick kids, no health ins, just a turn up now and then.

Yep, They don’t need all of the baggage that goes with this the drama of dissatisfaction.
Those type of jobs will never be worth more than $7-8 an hour... Because they were never meant to be careers.
No one should be a lifer at those sorts of jobs... And certainly were never meant to be

 

[Rustic]

I still ascribe to the original thoughts and reasons for why minimum raise hikes don't work.

It's very simple.

The purpose of a business is to make a profit.

Anything that cuts into a company's profits (including their costs for labor) must be offset with price increases to the consumers of that company's products and services, in order for the company to survive.

Therefore, any hike in wages is an indirect tax on all consumers.

The purpose of a business is to make a profit.

Wrong. The purpose of business is to solve problems.

 

[Rustic]

But charging businesses more money for labor with no increase in the value of the labor will speed that process along.

It's called incentive.

Companies in reality don't give a rip about the person, if they can save money, they will. No holidays, no sick kids, no health ins, just a turn up now and then.

Companies aren't in business to give people jobs.

Yep, No one hires just to hire… That is always a losing proposition

 

[Blues Man]

I still ascribe to the original thoughts and reasons for why minimum raise hikes don't work.

It's very simple.

The purpose of a business is to make a profit.

Anything that cuts into a company's profits (including their costs for labor) must be offset with price increases to the consumers of that company's products and services, in order for the company to survive.

Therefore, any hike in wages is an indirect tax on all consumers.

The purpose of a business is to make a profit.

Wrong. The purpose of business is to solve problems.

And to make people pay for those solutions so as to make a profit

 

[beagle9]

At this fast food drive through, the person taking your order might not be a person at all

Now they have automated fast food drive thru order takers. The classic American job is being taken over by robots. You can't just say "pay these people 15 an hour or else" because the "or else" is "or else a robot can do it for a fraction of the cost and without bathroom breaks or attitude."

So now you go from a minimum wage job to no job at all. Which is better?

Things like flipping burgers, stocking shelves, etc. need to be automated because they will never be careers and they should never be paid as careers...
The people that work in those jobs, matter how much they get paid will hate those jobs and they will find reasons to complain about those jobs no matter what

Well to be fair, those types of jobs are supposed to be starter jobs for the youth, and those type's of jobs should in no way ever become career job's. Such job's or position's should have a low trial start up pay (above the minimum preferably, but not forced) in which allows pay to move up a ladder to an eventual max out pay in which matches the job title or position that the ownership structurally sets up for the position and employee in that way.

Beginner pay should meet the minimum standard that is set by state governments for their states, and this is in order to make sure that no one is being used, abused or exploited when working for those that might take advantage of those workers that are geographically locked into a non-competitive environment and/or workplace by no fault of their own, and yet even so they are still doing their very best regardless of the situation they might find themselves in.

Now at the descretion of the business ownership, if a person has slight mental problems or a physical disfunction, and yet the person is still able to be a productive citizen in our society, and if such a person decides to work in the capacity that suits that person's abilities, and the ownership wants to honor that person in their job level, and in a structurally pay grade/benefits kind of way (i.e. make a career job out of any position the employee might be able to hold), then so be it. That is to the descretion of the ownership. Everything is fluid, and that is the way things should be in life.

 

[Manonthestreet]

and your order will still be wrong

 

[beagle9]

I still ascribe to the original thoughts and reasons for why minimum raise hikes don't work.

It's very simple.

The purpose of a business is to make a profit.

Anything that cuts into a company's profits (including their costs for labor) must be offset with price increases to the consumers of that company's products and services, in order for the company to survive.

Therefore, any hike in wages is an indirect tax on all consumers.

The purpose of a business is to make a profit.

Wrong. The purpose of business is to solve problems.

Maximize of course, but if such a thing becomes abusive to human beings in doing so, then stop measures must be in place to control the tendencies of greed. Now this has been done in a common sense agreeable way in the past, but what we are seeing now in these Demon-crats is something altogether different.

 

[beagle9]

and your order will still be wrong

Umm we were talking about stocking jobs and such. Not server job's, but I do agree that there is huge problems in the cooks and servers/service employment industries now.

 

[Rustic]

At this fast food drive through, the person taking your order might not be a person at all

Now they have automated fast food drive thru order takers. The classic American job is being taken over by robots. You can't just say "pay these people 15 an hour or else" because the "or else" is "or else a robot can do it for a fraction of the cost and without bathroom breaks or attitude."

So now you go from a minimum wage job to no job at all. Which is better?

Things like flipping burgers, stocking shelves, etc. need to be automated because they will never be careers and they should never be paid as careers...
The people that work in those jobs, matter how much they get paid will hate those jobs and they will find reasons to complain about those jobs no matter what

Well to be fair, those types of jobs are supposed to be starter jobs for the youth, and those type's of jobs should in no way ever become career job's. Such job's or position's should have a low trial start up pay (above the minimum preferably, but not forced) in which allows pay to move up a ladder to an eventual max out pay in which matches the job title or position that the ownership structurally sets up for the position and employee in that way.

Beginner pay should meet the minimum standard that is set by state governments for their states, and this is in order to make sure that no one is being used, abused or exploited when working for those that might take advantage of those workers that are geographically locked into a non-competitive environment and/or workplace by no fault of their own, and yet even so they are still doing their very best regardless of the situation they might find themselves in.

Now at the descretion of the business ownership, if a person has slight mental problems or a physical disfunction, and yet the person is still able to be a productive citizen in our society, and if such a person decides to work in the capacity that suits that person's abilities, and the ownership wants to honor that person in their job level, and in a structurally pay grade/benefits kind of way (i.e. make a career job out of any position the employee might be able to hold), then so be it. That is to the descretion of the ownership. Everything is fluid, and that is the way things should be in life.

Yes that’s the way it supposed to be, But with the entitlement generation’s coming up they don’t have the patience, the intelligence to try and climb to a better station in life.
The younger generations want to be paid just to exist… Just another part of political correctness