THIS is what I'm concerned about.

[Rawley]

It’s clear you are out of your league here. I’ve linked very specific data and asked and easy question. If the working class is working more hours and is significantly more productive but has lost wealth, it’s all moved to the wealthy, then how is that not losing out? Their purchasing power has hasn’t kept up with inflation.

Backatcha. Let us know when you've done a little homework and understand what a zero sum game is.

 

[citygator]

Backatcha. Let us know when you've done a little homework and understand what a zero sum game is.

Ive addressed that. Your claim is one group can get richer without making the other group more poor. Those are just words because I showed you that is exactly what has happened. How do you explain more hours worked, more productivity, all the wealth growth is at the top and the purchasing power decreased in the working class with stagnant wages?

So

We have the wealthy, wealthier

And

We have the working class, working more, working more productively, and losing the ability to pay for living.

 

[Mac-7]

Its not fair that your TV is bigger than someone else's -- the fact you have a job and they don't doesn't matter.

Thats the way that welfare bums want it

 

[citygator]

Its not fair that your TV is bigger than someone else's -- the fact you have a job and they don't doesn't matter.

What about the working class which is putting more hours in than ever, and more hours than anyone else, and being more productive than ever, and more productive that any other country but still losing to the cost of living? It’s not a hypothetical situation. It’s what is really happening while the wealth consolidate a historically crazy level of wealth.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The mid terms are on the way, and then another freaking presidential election season will begin. If the Republicans do well, or if the Democrats do well, that's up to the voters. Hopefully whichever party wins will suddenly realize we're a 50/50 country and will decide to start governing that way. For a change.

My only concern is if this aggressive, punitive, authoritarian administration is going to back off and let the voters have their say. We know the excuse for any of their meddling will be the "rigged election" that Trump claimed, months before the 2020 election even took place.

This is what I'm thinking about -- this can't happen:

Trump administration pushes states for election data, Washington Post reports

July 16 (Reuters) - The Trump administration and its allies are trying to obtain voter data from states and inspect voting equipment, the Washington Post reported on Wednesday, in moves it said had caused concern among state and local election officials.

The Post said "the most unusual activity" was taking place in Colorado, where it said a consultant who was working with the White House had asked county clerks whether they would let federal officials or a third party examine voting machines.

"That’s a hard stop for me," it quoted Carly Koppes, a Republican clerk in Colorado's Weld County, as saying. "Nobody gets access to my voting equipment, for security reasons."

The newspaper said the Justice Department had separately asked at least nine states for copies of their voter rolls, and that at least two have turned them over.

Because the republican liars know full well that in person voting fraud is not possible on any significant scale. They knew that while they were lying about the 2020 election.

They know the best way to cheat is simply to throw out entire batches of legitimate votes (Since submitting false electors resulted in scores of people being indicted for criminal conspiracy).

And that is their strategy.

 

[Mac-7]

Because the republican liars know full well that in person voting fraud is not possible on any significant scale. They knew that while they were lying about the 2020 election.

They know the best way to cheat is simply to throw out entire batches of legitimate votes (Since submitting false electors resulted in scores of people being indicted for criminal conspiracy).

And that is their strategy.

Dems have a zillion ways to cheat

Recently its been stuffing ballot boxes with alleged mail-in votes

But individual walkin cheating used to be their preferred method

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Dems have a zillion ways to cheat

Recently its been stuffing ballot boxes with alleged mail-in votes

But individual walkin cheating used to be their preferred method

You will have to peddle these idiotic fantasies to someone dumber. Sorry.

 

[Mac-7]

You will have to peddle these idiotic fantasies to someone dumber. Sorry.

I would if I could find someone dumber than you

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I would if I could find someone dumber than you

Anyone who believes a word you said will be a start. You're embarrassing yourself.

 

[Care4all]

Due to the "unusual" number of voters in 2020, more than in 2024, which never happens, I support an investigation into voter rolls and to see if any unusual voting patterns exist, precinct by precinct.

If there are no anomalies, such as many more voters in a precinct, then that settles it.

What do you mean it never happens? There were more voters in 2008 than in 2012....

It happens.


Fyi
There were 2 million voters less in 2024 than in 2020.....the difference was near nothing.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Notice that by the bottom and at the far right it shows the $2 million pay $370,000 at the 37% (which is where the tax brackets currently top out) versus the $156,308 paid by the $1 million, at the same rate, 37%.

The $2 million is paying more than twice amount that the $1 million is and at the same tax rate/percentage.

Yes I see that somehow that 37% becomes Effective Tax Rate of 33.0% and 35.0%

But something else that needs to be considered; the "Rich" don't put their "excess" (non tax) money into coffee cans and bury such in their backyards.

They invest such into business enterprises that hopefully will make a profit and provide an "interest" growth to their money, i.e. create more wealth. In the process they have helped create/provide jobs and grow the economy.

Even when spent on things like yachts, private jets, mansions, etc. they have provided jobs to those who built such and those they hire to staff/operate such.

Generally speaking the Rich/Wealthy do a far more effective and useful "Redistribution of Wealth" than Guv'mints ever do.

You're FOS.


The corporations will do just like they did the last two times, make THEMSELVES richer.

"You all just got a lot richer," Trump tells friends ...​

CBS News
https://www.cbsnews.com › Politics
Dec 24, 2017 — President Trump kicked off his holiday weekend at Mar-a-Lago Friday night at a dinner where he told friends, "You all just got a lot richer," referencing the sweeping tax overhaul he signed into law hours earlier. Mr. Trump directed those comments to friends dining nearby at the exclusive club.

US companies' tax windfall fuels record share buybacks​

AP News
https://apnews.com › article
Apr 4, 2019 — US corporations spent a record amount buying back their own shares last year, using 2017's tax-cut windfall to reward shareholders rather than to invest or expand their businesses.

Companies in the S&P 500 spent $806 billion on stock buybacks in 2018, blowing away the previous record of nearly $590 billion set in 2007. The information technology and financial service sectors were the biggest spenders, with Apple leading the pack. When share prices plunged in the fourth quarter it only encouraged companies to spend more, setting a fourth consecutive quarterly record for buybacks.

Median US CEO pay hits record $16.8 million on soaring ...​

Reuters
https://www.reuters.com › boards-policy-regulation › m...
Apr 24, 2025 — Median pay among top U.S. CEOs rose 7.5% to a record $16.8 million for 2024, a new study found, as big stock grants boosted leaders' salary.

 

[Mac1958]

You're FOS.


The corporations will do just like they did the last two times, make THEMSELVES richer.

"You all just got a lot richer," Trump tells friends ...​

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CBS News
https://www.cbsnews.com › Politics
Dec 24, 2017 — President Trump kicked off his holiday weekend at Mar-a-Lago Friday night at a dinner where he told friends, "You all just got a lot richer," referencing the sweeping tax overhaul he signed into law hours earlier. Mr. Trump directed those comments to friends dining nearby at the exclusive club.

US companies' tax windfall fuels record share buybacks​

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AP News
https://apnews.com › article
Apr 4, 2019 — US corporations spent a record amount buying back their own shares last year, using 2017's tax-cut windfall to reward shareholders rather than to invest or expand their businesses.

Companies in the S&P 500 spent $806 billion on stock buybacks in 2018, blowing away the previous record of nearly $590 billion set in 2007. The information technology and financial service sectors were the biggest spenders, with Apple leading the pack. When share prices plunged in the fourth quarter it only encouraged companies to spend more, setting a fourth consecutive quarterly record for buybacks.

Median US CEO pay hits record $16.8 million on soaring ...​

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https://www.reuters.com › boards-policy-regulation › m...
Apr 24, 2025 — Median pay among top U.S. CEOs rose 7.5% to a record $16.8 million for 2024, a new study found, as big stock grants boosted leaders' salary.

This is another example of how ideologues are unwilling to look at the potential downside of actions for which they advocate.

These folks don't worry about increasing wealth inequalities or the dangerous excesses of misapplied capitalism. They just have to say what they're supposed to say. They lack anything resembling honest intellectual curiosity. They don't want to know.

They put capitalism in danger with that kind of ignorant attitude, and that's a problem.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

This is another example of how ideologues are unwilling to look at the potential downside of actions for which they advocate.

These folks don't worry about increasing wealth inequalities or the dangerous excesses of misapplied capitalism. They just have to say what they're supposed to say. They lack anything resembling honest intellectual curiosity. They don't want to know.

They put capitalism in danger with that kind of ignorant attitude, and that's a problem.

Vladimir Putin and Viktor Orbán have done the same thing.
How to build an Oligarchy.

Trump is very close to both.

 

[Mac1958]

Vladimir Putin and Viktor Orbán have done the same thing.
How to build an Oligarchy.

Trump is very close to both.

Yep. The template is set and it's working.

 

[Mac1958]

Vladimir Putin and Viktor Orbán have done the same thing.
How to build an Oligarchy.

Trump is very close to both.

And by the way: The template was working perfectly with Musk until Trump screwed it up.

That's Trump's problem: He's not smart enough or strong enough to do anything like this. Putin, Orban, Mussolini are/were laser focused and fully ideological. Trump is a tragically needy child with a loaded shotgun.

Unfortunately, he has Stephen Miller and others to back him fully. Not to mention a credulous rube flock that enables him.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Yep. The template is set and it's working.

That's why Trump wants to privatize EVERYTHING.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

And by the way: The template was working perfectly with Musk until Trump screwed it up.

That's Trump's problem: He's not smart enough or strong enough to do anything like this. Putin, Orban, Mussolini are/were laser focused and fully ideological. Trump is a child with a loaded shotgun.

Hence the project 2025 "Guide book".
"Trust the plan".

Unfortunately, he has Stephen Miller and others to back him fully. Not to mention a credulous rube flock that enables him.

 

[Frankenstein]

One of my BAs is in Economics and I have a Masters Degree. I am good.

1. You didnt explain why trickle down isnt working.
2. I showed you the outputs from the middle class and you didnt explain how they are losing with hours and productivity up

The fact is you are just typing words. That's why you used a cop out post. The middle class is working harder, is more productive and losing out in wealth and income. Why?

Trickle down isn't working because they won't let it,m they refuse to make people who can work, work, they make them rely on Government. Meanwhile Government isn't held to any standards, when it comes to taxing and spending!

 

[citygator]

Trickle down isn't working because they won't let it,m they refuse to make people who can work, work, they make them rely on Government. Meanwhile Government isn't held to any standards, when it comes to taxing and spending!

I think you are confused. We are talking about the working class. That would be the middle class. These are people working more hours than ever and are more productive than ever. Their wages have not gone up faster than inflation in 55 years and they have in exactly zero percent of the wealth built. Those are hard working people. That is who we are talking about.

 

[Frankenstein]

I think you are confused. We are talking about the working class. That would be the middle class. These are people working more hours than ever and are more productive than ever. Their wages have not gone up faster than inflation in 55 years and they have in exactly zero percent of the wealth built. Those are hard working people. That is who we are talking about.

Yes the ones who the democrats want to tax to death, again the issue isn't revenue, it's spending, and over taxation.